A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (SurvivorSurvey) — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:34:17 GMT

After listening to Panurge's argument and reading the interview that Mario posted I am going to have another look at my rating for Chris. However, those who said I am bias against Chris right off the back are wrong because Chris is my favourite winner ever and I rooted for him the entire game. I just think that his game had a number of strategic holes but reading the interview has given me a couple of things I should add. He will not move up to the top of the lost but he may jump 1 or 2...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:34:37 GMT

"We need an explanation of Ethan outlasting Tina, and the best one is that he was an alpha male on a tribe which needed him. He's not smarter than Tina. No one is saying that. But we still need an explanation."

Well before you first posted, every person who watched Survivor All-Star knew that the main reason why Ethan outlasted Tina was because his tribe needed his strength. We added the fact that Tina was more feared as a strategist...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (RavuRules) — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:36:41 GMT

I think last night's episode provides a good counterpoint to your position, Ravu. If Zhan Hu had thrown the challenge as they initially planned and gone to TC, everyone would have voted for James, and his playing of the HII would have sent Jaime packing. But for whatever reason, they decided to go all out and wound up winning immunity, thereby saving Jaime another 3 days. By your rationale (or at least what appears to be your rationale, and please...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (PJMichaelangelo) — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:14:51 GMT

I think last night's episode provides a good counterpoint to your position, Ravu. If Zhan Hu had thrown the challenge as they initially planned and gone to TC, everyone would have voted for James, and his playing of the HII would have sent Jaime packing. But for whatever reason, they decided to go all out and wound up winning immunity, thereby saving Jaime another 3 days. By your rationale (or at least what appears to be your rationale, and please correct me if I am incorrect),...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (Kirblar) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:06:12 GMT

Well, it was gender-baiting, but I don't think they were unhappy with a male winner, given they had 3 female winners in a row before that.

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (SenseiKreese) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:04:35 GMT

I would agree with that. I think the producers made some big mistakes with their setup for Vanuatu. They practically guaranteed that the females would Pagong the males with that whole gender-baiting opening ceremony in the first episode. That whole season was designed for a woman to win. The younger males, in particular, were doomed. And that's why it ended up being one of my favorite seasons, because in the end, Chris et al pulled off an ending that was not supposed to have...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (Kirblar) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:58:31 GMT

The blame for the male tribe in Vanuatu really lies with the producers, who left such a ridiculous natural divide there. I thought one of the reasons that occurred was because they picked the cast before deciding on the Men v. Women split.

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (SenseiKreese) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:42:48 GMT

I just bumped my original thread so you can read it through if you want. Basically what I was talking about with the "young guys vs. the old guys" was that those battle lines had been drawn before the players even started the game. The young guys had been exchanging looks and passing notes during the sequestering/pre-game part of Vanuatu. And it was so obvious that the old guys had no choice but to bond together. The minute they showed up at Camp Lopevi, the four young guys all...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:31:24 GMT

Sensei, that conversation you reported with Chris was interesting. Just watching the show was enough to see that Sarge wasn't deciding Lopevi's strategy but it's always nice to get direct confirmation.

If I remember your post, Chris said the older guys were already split against the younger guys even before the game started so I'm not sure what you're saying about not setting out "to exclude the younger guys at the start of the game." Are you refering...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (SenseiKreese) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:24:40 GMT

Ah and here is the link. Although you might have to actually go to my My_Space page to read the whole thing.

http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/1008

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (SenseiKreese) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:21:54 GMT

If you guys are debating Chris as a winner, you should scoll back about five months and find the thread I started entitled "Chris Daugherty spills the beans." I wrote a very detailed summary of a conversation I had with Chris, where we talked about many of these issues you bring up, and what his take was on them. I only say that because some of the Chris arguments you guys are bringing up aren't completely accurate. Sarge was not the guy making most of the strategic decisions on...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (SurvivorSurvey) — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:16:29 GMT

Actually, booting Shawn would have been the much more beneficial play. Michelle would have been far easier to keep loyal after the merge; all of Drake knew Shawn would jump ship the second he got the chance. Shawn was more of a post-merge threat. Shawn had an alliance running with Jon. Shawn was more of a...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (RavuRules) — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:27:10 GMT

I see you argued a lot about mistakes and I think everyone gets too bogged down in them. As both of you pointed out, there are so many details that we don't know, so many factors that the players aren't aware that it's often hard to determine what is a mistake. Even saying: "Since it wasn't a mistake, that's why it...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:13:48 GMT

Hello MonkeyHunt and Ravu. I'm enjoying that debate you are having. As always, Ravu can express his points and I appreciate that MH has the know-how to make him realize some things many have pointed to. As fun as theoretical debates are, when talking Survivor, examples are always nice to fall back on. I have a very different way than Ravu in analyzing winners and it relies on...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (Kitty Pryde1) — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:02:54 GMT
Why're you saying Sandra had Lill's vote locked? You just got finished saying that Sandra treated Lill like crap all the time. Lill was a very emotional player, and she would probably vote for Darrah if that were true. By booting Darrah, Sandra minimized the chances of losing. She went into a final 3 against Jon, who she probably thought would take her to the final 2 if he won, Lill, who would probably take her, and herself, who would probably take Jon and win. By keeping Darrah...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (Pulau Tiga) — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:47:12 GMT

Michelle was the physically weakest out of those not in the dominant alliance and had shown she was not much of a team player.
Rating: Good- An easy vote for Sandra.
Actually, booting Shawn would have been the much more beneficial play. Michelle would have been far easier to keep loyal after the merge; all of Drake knew Shawn would jump ship the second he got the chance. Shawn was more of a post-merge threat. Shawn had an alliance running with Jon. Shawn...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:52:46 GMT

RavuRules wrote:
That is why Chris and Sandra are much higher in his list then mine. They made mistakes that should have been game-ending which is why they don't belong anywere near the top of any winners rankings.

What were their "mistakes"? I can point to every winner who made potentially "game ending" mistakes including Tina who left the door open for a Kucha/Amber comeback after...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (RavuRules) — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:46:46 GMT

Ravu: I don't want to derail this thread too much with theoretical mumbo-jumbo, since it seems unfair to the original poster, who put a lot of thought and energy into his post and deserves to have it discussed. But I appreciate your kind words and want to answer a few of your questions.

I don't think SS will mind. If he does, we can just move the discussion. If anything, our discussion is bumping this thread and giving it more exposure
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Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (Monkeyhunt) — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:55:06 GMT
Ravu: I don't want to derail this thread too much with theoretical mumbo-jumbo, since it seems unfair to the original poster, who put a lot of thought and energy into his post and deserves to have it discussed. But I appreciate your kind words and want to answer a few of your questions.

In terms of subjective thinking being better than objectivity, I flat out disagree on that one. I think it has its place, but I personally just don't think that leads to...

Re: A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (RavuRules) — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:38:49 GMT

But Hatch and Tina didn't win in All- Stars so that should not form part of a winner analysis. Just as how Amber's play in Australia should not take away the game that she played in All-Stars

Well, no need to debate...

A comprehensive analysis and ranking system of the Survivor Winners

feeds@yuku.com (SurvivorSurvey) — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:46:38 GMT

I have used a rating/grading system of the voting and social games played by the 14 Survivor Winners. The system allows the Survivor's to be ranked. The total anaylsis is very long and I don't really expect anybody to read every word. Therefore I will also post a shorter version of the analysis with just the grades each winner received and the overall ranking list. I know that nobody will agree with the...