No offense but I don't remember it that way.

1. The jury was upset Stephen double crossed Taj. Taj spoke out against Stephen... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369568 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:02:47 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369565/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369565 chapera rocks wrote:

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   "...It'd be hard if not impossible to find any jury composition that would have allowed Twila, Katie, Stephenie, Danielle, Becky, Cassandra, Sugar, or Susie to win...."
   Can find a jury compostion which would have gotten Twila and Danielle wins if they made better decisions but agree about the others.
   
   1. The Leech/Coattail strategy
   Katie,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369565 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:47:03 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369560/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369560 It's because he played JT, but everyone thought JT was running the tribe.
   Like Chinamanda, a UTR mastermind who failed to articulate his gameplay as well as his partner. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (craig) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369560 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:39:01 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369445/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369445 chapera rocks wrote:

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   Thanks for making your point clear.
   
   However, from an analytical perspective, it doesn't make much sense. For your point to make much sense, you have to state what was different about S8's jury that allowed Amber to win, while other juries are biased towards men. What is the unifying theme?
   
   It'd be hard if not impossible to find any jury composition that would have... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369445 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:46:06 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369254/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369254
   However, from an analytical perspective, it doesn't make much sense. For your point to make much sense, you have to state what was different about S8's jury that allowed Amber to win, while other juries are biased towards men. What is the unifying theme?
   
   It'd be hard if not impossible to find any jury composition that would have allowed Twila, Katie, Stephenie, Danielle, Becky, Cassandra, Sugar, or Susie to win.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (chapera rocks) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369254 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:35:01 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369208/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369208 chapera rocks wrote:

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   What exactly is your point? The winner could have been different had any jury composition been different? How does it make any sense to speculate "what if Richard made the jury" when he didn't?
   
   What if Gretchen was on the jury over Greg?
   What if Gabe was on the jury over John?
   What if Shii-Ann was on the jury over Jake?
   
   Etc.
   
   And if... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369208 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:13:35 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369122/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369122
   What if Gretchen was on the jury over Greg?
   What if Gabe was on the jury over John?
   What if Shii-Ann was on the jury over Jake?
   
   Etc.
   
   And if you want to know how each person would have voted, they all revealed it on the Early show...
   
   Tina -... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (chapera rocks) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369122 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:28:51 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369120/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369120 You opined that Jerri would vote for Mariano instead of Amber. I corrected you.
   
   
   And by the way, dumbass, Hatch ALSO said he would vote for Amber over Mariano in the TES reunion show.
   
   
   Ya wanna try again , moron ?
   
   ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Oowatanite) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369120 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:28:41 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5369067/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5369067
   I'm sorry you missed the point of the posting. Specifically, if the jury compositon was different Rob might have gotten a vote that went to Amber. Since you insist on being so fucking pedantic, if neither Jerri nor Lex made the jury but Richard Hatch had been the one casting a vote he might have voted for Rob over Amber. But the point of my... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5369067 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:05:30 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5368529/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5368529 JPOz wrote:

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   IF Lex had been voted out at the previous TC and Jerri was on the jury she did not have a friendship with Rob BUT her relationship with Amber had soured...so Rob might have gotten her vote and been the winner of ASS (Jerri had rewarded the leader/strategist with her jury vote in Australia).
   
   Nope. Jerri voted... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Oowatanite) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5368529 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:38:11 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5368451/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5368451 One thought about the Natalie type: UTR players succeed because the other players allow them to be UTR. That is, some are allowed to progress because no one really puts energy into focusing on them, they assume they can beat them in the end. Frankly if I was at final TC and someone called me out for being UTR I would politely ask if they had ever focused any serious energy on eliminating me...and request that they not hold it... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (cindidindi76) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5368451 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:59:32 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5368182/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5368182 feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5368182 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:39:47 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5367163/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5367163 JPOz wrote:

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   Your summary of the four slots pretty much sums up the discussion...perhaps every female who has not won has been classified as one of the four and criticized accordingly for losing because of that fault. Yet Debra Beebe was a very strong vocal part of her alliance AND very socially adept she balanced a tribe with three huge testosterone fueled egos. Her shortcoming was she did not also balance the egos of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Olmec Donald) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5367163 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:18:48 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5367031/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5367031 Jedijake wrote:

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   Perhaps we can say that in a majority alliance a male is usually a leader because males have a tougher time following females than the other way around? I think it's safe to say it works that way in the "real world" also. Many women want a man to take charge and many men want women to follow them.
   
   Then if a woman realizes she is playing second fiddle and isn't happy about this and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5367031 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:33:32 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5366450/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5366450
   Then if a woman realizes she is playing second fiddle and isn't happy about this and actually votes off the male leader, she is unloyal and not playing the correct female... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Jedijake) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5366450 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:41:55 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5366417/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5366417 In all situations where females won, things have gone rather chaotically in terms of alliances. The only exception was Australia. ... I've often wondered if a female can/will win a season where one tribe dominates another such as with Borneo, Thailand, China, Fiji, or Palau. In all of those seasons it was a guy who formed the alliance and kept it together, ending up the victor.
   
   Count Parvati with Tina.
   
   If Parv was an Ozzy loyalist,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (craig) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5366417 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:27:55 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5365917/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5365917
   Your points make sense. So basically, it's all independent, individual situations that happen to have not fared well for females by virtue of numbers.
   
   
   In all situations where females won, things have gone rather chaotically in terms of alliances. The only exception was Australia. Even in Marquesas where a new alliance was formed, things were kind of all over the place.
   
   I've... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Jedijake) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5365917 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:41:50 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5363829/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5363829
   More than flip of the coin. Complicated
   
   Jury composition: different juries look for different things. With a different jury Kelly might have beaten Hatch, Rob M. might have beaten Amber and Amanda might have beaten Parvati. Hatch, Vecepia, Parvati, and Todd were rewarded for treachery; Rob M., Twila, Stephanie (Guat), Danielle (EI), Sugar and Stephen... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JPOz) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5363829 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:09:17 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/reply/5363072/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html#reply-5363072 ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Jedijake) http://survivorsucks.com/sreply/5363072 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:11:33 GMT http://survivorsucks.com/topic/22524/t/Why-Can-t-Females-Seem-to-Win-.html
   And considering that All Stars was a duel win, we may not even consider that in the data.
   
   Tina: quiet edit, good player toward the end
   Vee: quiet player, won due to bitterness of the jury
   Jenna: negative edit, won due to petty high school type dynamics
   Sandra: good player, great personality, won due to sitting next to a "ghost"
   Amber: see above
   Danni: nearly... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Jedijake) http://survivorsucks.com/topic/22524 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:20:04 GMT