Hatchism

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:27:11 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
To SFB:

While Lex's vote was not illegitimate, it was immoral because he wasn't an ethical egoist. He is not the only person. Any juror who can not justify their voting based on who played the better game, and votes based on spite or misguided and irrelevent moral principles, is voting incorrectly. They are chastizing the finalists for daring to play the game.
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Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:11:44 GMT

Good bye DrWH. Have fun in your LaLaland. Too bad you don't want to join the real world.

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:03:03 GMT

panurge46 wrote:
Go on babbling but this is only a stupid way of saying you wanted Morono to win ASS. You don't even make sense. In your example Y simply played a better game because he got as far as X without making an enemy. And not wanting to throw people overboard in a lifeboat does not mean you don't want to survive. Can't you see the difference?

About nihilism, read the definition again and...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:50:48 GMT

Go on babbling but this is only a stupid way of saying you wanted Morono to win ASS. You don't even make sense. In your example Y simply played a better game because he got as far as X without making an enemy. And not wanting to throw people overboard in a lifeboat does not mean you don't want to survive. Can't you see the difference?

About nihilism, read the definition again and you'll eventually figure it out. Nihilism (from the Latin nihil,...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:04:12 GMT
To SFB:

While Lex's vote was not illegitimate, it was immoral because he wasn't an ethical egoist. He is not the only person. Any juror who can not justify their voting based on who played the better game, and votes based on spite or misguided and irrelevent moral principles, is voting incorrectly. They are chastizing the finalists for daring to play the game. I'll use a simple analogy:

Lets say Person X and Person Y are in the final 2. Person X got to the...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:37:43 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:

Lex basically admitted that it was a spite vote. So we can only assume that he believed Rob to be the better player. If he had voted rationally, Rob would have won and had been the objective best player.

I wouldn't use Romber as an example if I were you because, in addition to SFB's arguments, they were the opposite of what you proposed. Neither was an egoist, they...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:14:15 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
Lex basically admitted that it was a spite vote. So we can only assume that he believed Rob to be the better player. If he had voted rationally, Rob would have won and had been the objective best player.

You're begging the question here. There's no rule that says a juror has to vote for the "better player," and people have different ideas about how gameplay...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:19:24 GMT
Lex basically admitted that it was a spite vote. So we can only assume that he believed Rob to be the better player. If he had voted rationally, Rob would have won and had been the objective best player.

If I'm wrong SFB, than doesn't that mean that everyone is wrong? Doesn't it mean that when anyone votes any way possible in Survivor, they are contradicting the principle of nihilism, which you are apparently propose? Everyone in the game is trying to win, and it's...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:05:10 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
He is the total antithesis of how one should play Survivor, not only coercing people to fuck themselves over, but fucking himself over and fucking the objective best player over in the final 2.

I didn't say Rob was the best player.

You make it too easy.

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:33:31 GMT

SwineForkbeard wrote:

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
Playing irrationally ruins the game for everyone. There are numerous examples. To name probably the most notorious instance, I have three chilling syllables: Twatwaffle. He is the total antithesis of how one should play Survivor, not only coercing people to fuck themselves over, but fucking himself over and fucking the...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:28:58 GMT

panurge46 wrote:

"When did I say you can't have emotions? People in the game can laugh, joke around, have arguments and do everything they do..."

Emotions aren't things that can be turned off by a switch. If you allow emotions in the group, it will influence its dynamics. Courtney couldn't help how she felt about Jean Robert and that could have cost her the...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:11:57 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
Playing irrationally ruins the game for everyone. There are numerous examples. To name probably the most notorious instance, I have three chilling syllables: Twatwaffle. He is the total antithesis of how one should play Survivor, not only coercing people to fuck themselves over, but fucking himself over and fucking the objective best player over in the final 2.

I couldn't agree any...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (panurge46) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:08:43 GMT

"When did I say you can't have emotions? People in the game can laugh, joke around, have arguments and do everything they do..."

Emotions aren't things that can be turned off by a switch. If you allow emotions in the group, it will influence its dynamics. Courtney couldn't help how she felt about Jean Robert and that could have cost her the game if Todd wanted JR in his alliance. Anyway, Swine's arguments are spot on and you...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:52:28 GMT
Playing irrationally ruins the game for everyone. There are numerous examples. To name probably the most notorious instance, I have three chilling syllables: Twatwaffle. He is the total antithesis of how one should play Survivor, not only coercing people to fuck themselves over, but fucking himself over and fucking the objective best player over in the final 2. If he had found Amber the better player, his vote would be valid, but since it was based on maliciousness, it is not valid and thus...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:32:38 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
When someone is playing the game irrationally or based on an ethical idea other than egoism, they are ruining the game for everyone, including themselves.
Not to be too condescending, but do you at least understand that people have minds of their own? Whether the game is ruined for somebody is up to them, not you. If that ruins it for you, too bad.

Concepts such as "appeasing...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:09:22 GMT

Survivor revolves around the idea that there can only be a Sole Survivor left at the end of the game. Therefore, each round, someone will always end up going home. When someone is playing the game irrationally or based on an ethical idea other than egoism, they are ruining the game for everyone, including themselves. When someone plays the game rationally, they have the opportunity to reign in threats to their winning, and inadvertently give other people the chance to have a chance at...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:56:46 GMT

Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:
Of course you are going to say "People will vote however they want", but that's, well, bullshit.

You can call it bullshit all you want when people don't do what you think they should, but it's as pointless as complaining about the weather. Unless you want them to cast 16 Richard Hatches and not have any variety at all, it's something you would have to...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:33:35 GMT

SwineForkbeard wrote:

Why did you wait almost two months to resuscitate this argument, that was pretty retarded to begin with? I agree more with panurge, in that part of what makes Survivor interesting to watch is that people are flawed and those flaws affect their actions in all sorts of unpredictable ways. If everybody thought and played the same way, every season would be the same, and probably not worth bothering with....

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (SwineForkbeard) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:26:20 GMT

Why did you wait almost two months to resuscitate this argument, that was pretty retarded to begin with? I agree more with panurge, in that part of what makes Survivor interesting to watch is that people are flawed and those flaws affect their actions in all sorts of unpredictable ways. If everybody thought and played the same way, every season would be the same, and probably not worth bothering with. For one thing, it would make the jurors boring to watch at the end, and those...

Re: Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:09:28 GMT
When did I say you can't have emotions? People in the game can laugh, joke around, have arguments and do everything they do, and they always will regardless of what frame of mind they are in. This thread is called "Hatchism", which has a double meaning. Not only is it how I view morality in the game, apparently it is how Hatch himself views the game. He was always going on about inter personal dynamics, and when you combine that with his pragmatic views on how to treat people in...

Hatchism

feeds@yuku.com (Dr Will Hatch two point oh) — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:35:51 GMT

This is an attempt to summarize my philosophy on game play in Survivor and the justifiable behavior that people can and should operate therein. Also it is an attempt to analyse certain twists and attitudes, and to see if those are justified as well.

To start out with, the one unavoidable truth about the game is that the ultimate winner by definition is the best player. The best player of a season is the winner, and determining how good a player was can only logically be defined...