Why Survivor has NOT won an Emmy

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Posts: 4251 (09/28/08 11:42 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	In order to appreciate the beauty and brilliance of Survivor, you would have to watch an entire season. Characterization, plot building, suspense, drama, etc. all build up slowly throughout a season. On the other hand, The Amazing Race has won every single Emmy because the voters (who are most likely not reality show fans/regular viewers) only get to watch one episode for each nominated show. You don't need an entire season to build drama and suspense for TAR.
birdseyeview		#1	[-]
Posts: 202 (09/28/08 11:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	the amazing race cast one quirky couple this year--as always. they went with old hippies this time around--and lone behold, they were eliminated first. the production staff is probably just thinking "FUCK". golden casting out the door the first week. kind of funny. and slightly reminiscent of gillian, but this was even more obvious that spillman's attempt to "diversify" the cast by including one oddball couple was completely shot to hell.
Sole Survivor Genius		#2	[-]
Posts: 957 (09/29/08 12:47 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The show did win an emmy Since Jeff won on behalf of Survivor
A Dying Clown		#3	[-]
Posts: 6605 (09/29/08 8:40 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cast one quirky couple this year--as always. This is the first time TAR has lost the "quirkiest/oldest" players first, unlike on Survivor (Sonja, Debb, Jim, Tina, Chicken, Fairplay) The best TAR also requires a whole season to build up characterisation (TAR1-3) but there are always fewer key players so it's easier to pick up. But there are plenty of similar stretches of Survivor that don't rely on back-story: e.g. most of the end of Exile Island was just "Terry vs. Casaya".
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#4	[-]
Posts: 5114 (09/29/08 9:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	birdseyeview wrote: the amazing race cast one quirky couple this year--as always. they went with old hippies this time around--and lone behold, they were eliminated first. the production staff is probably just thinking "FUCK". golden casting out the door the first week. kind of funny. and slightly reminiscent of gillian, but this was even more obvious that spillman's attempt to "diversify" the cast by including one oddball couple was completely shot to hell. Mark and Bill? Nick and Starr?
birdseyeview		#5	[-]
Posts: 204 (09/29/08 9:11 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A Dying Clown wrote: cast one quirky couple this year--as always. This is the first time TAR has lost the "quirkiest/oldest" players first, unlike on Survivor (Sonja, Debb, Jim, Tina, Chicken, Fairplay) ". debb wasn't a BIG character. she was just an annoying bitch who eventually went on to sleep with her step son. and what the hell is so INTERESTING about nick and starr? the amazing race tends to have the same type cast every single season.
Apprentice Talker		#6	[-]
Posts: 6312 (09/29/08 9:13 AM) WRP Official Spokesperson Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It is been nominated many times along with American Idol and Dancing With The Stars. Jeff won an Emmy, but The Amazing Race is still the best reality show winner in Emmys five years in a row.
dragoondaniel78		#7	[-]
Posts: 1340 (09/29/08 9:21 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
Kirblar		#8	[-]
Posts: 6539 (09/29/08 9:52 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CBS has also submitted the shittiest episodes possible for their sample eps. (They're almost always early, pre-merge, and terrible.) Which leads me to believe that it's intentional.
SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor		#9	[-]
Posts: 6065 (09/29/08 11:01 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's won two other awards besides Jeff's including the series award before the reality category was created. 2001 - Outstanding Sound Mixing For Non-Fiction Programming (CBS, Terry Dwyer, Sound Mixer) 2001 - Outstanding Non-Fiction Program (Special-Class) (CBS - Maria Baltazzi, Producer; Jay Bienstock, Producer; Mark Burnett, Executive Producer; John Feist, Producer; Teri Kennedy, Producer; Scott Messick, Supervising Producer; Charlie Parsons, Executive Producer; Craig Piligian, Co-Executive Producer; Jeff Probst, Host; Tom Shelly, Supervising Producer)
StarRider		#10	[-]
Posts: 18971 (09/29/08 11:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	TAR is the most boring, flawed, repetitive reality show on the air. It pales in comparison to Survivor but TAR doesn't produce villians and backstabbers and doesn't require underhanded game play which hurts Survivor in the long run. TAR is the more PC pick of critics and such.
SenseiKreese		#11	[-]
Posts: 2614 (09/29/08 11:47 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Amazing Race has much more raw footage to work with, and they produce much more seamless episodes. Sure, it's basically the same formula over and over, but the editing demands on a show like that must be enormous. I like Survivor more as a show, but from an editing standpoint I think the Amazing Race is about as good as it gets. I think they deserve every single one of their Emmys. In terms of editing and storytelling, I think Survivor has basically just been "going through the motions" since about season five.
platinumtlc		#12	[-]
Posts: 4728 (09/29/08 12:19 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Meh, Emmys are worthless. Same people win every year whether they deserve it or not. Maybe in 10 years or so when the old people who are on the voting panel DIE, then we might have some good winners.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#13	[-]
Posts: 5117 (09/29/08 2:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SenseiKreese wrote: The Amazing Race has much more raw footage to work with, and they produce much more seamless episodes. Sure, it's basically the same formula over and over, but the editing demands on a show like that must be enormous. I like Survivor more as a show, but from an editing standpoint I think the Amazing Race is about as good as it gets. I think they deserve every single one of their Emmys. In terms of editing and storytelling, I think Survivor has basically just been "going through the motions" since about season five. You can't have it both ways. "I like Survivor more, but TAR is a better show." I love TAR, but the one thing I notice about it is that of all the major shows, it is the one I am least invested in(TAR1 and TAR3 excepted). It's because the show is about the race itself, not so much the racers. Even in the loudest, dumbest action movies, I still want to know who everyone is, and to see their character
SenseiKreese		#14	[-]
Posts: 2620 (09/29/08 2:33 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	TAR is a better show. It's much more polished. But that doesn't mean I like it more. I mean, The English Patient is certainly a lot better movie than Friday the 13th Part 6, but that doesn't mean I like it more. One thing I have always noticed about TAR (which goes right along with what you said) is that you can turn it on in any episode, and you can jump right into the action. You don't have to know who the characters are, you don't have to know what the alliances are, and you don't have to know what all the backstory is. With TAR, every episode is pretty much self-contained, so it is far more accessible to the casual viewer. You can jump into the show at any point during the season, and you will enjoy it just as much, because you don't have to watch everything. And I believe it is the only reality show on TV you can probably say that about. If I were to miss two early episodes of The Mole or Survivor (which has never happened), I wouldn't even bother with the rest of the season. It would be dead to me. But with the Amazing Race, that wouldn't be a problem. I know I can turn on the finale of any AR season, and I would probably be able to get into it. And to me, that is why it wins the Emmys. It wins because it has much more broad-based appeal than Survivor does. The only people that watch and get into Survivor are hardcore Survivor fans. So yeah I agree with you to a point. TAR has far less character development than Survivor, and far less "storytelling" behind it. But that doesn't work against it, because TAR doesn't depend on it as much. Every episode is self-contained with a beginning and an ending, which is why TAR benefits more from the "send in only one episode to the voting committee" rule.
BobBob77		#15	[-]
Posts: 1129 (09/29/08 5:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It would probably also help that since the Emmy voters probably don't watch regularly, they fall for all of the fake suspense shots of the two couples in last place running at times that anyone who has watched enough realizes are probably an hour apart. If you watch enough, it actually becomes pretty predictable.
beatles20147		#16	[-]
Posts: 11784 (09/29/08 10:23 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A Dying Clown wrote: This is the first time TAR has lost the "quirkiest/oldest" players first, unlike on Survivor (Sonja, Debb, Jim, Tina, Chicken, Fairplay) I don't know about that--Ryan/Chuck would probably qualify for the quirkiest TAR7 team, at least on paper. Survivor at its best is pretty much as good as it gets in reality television, but TAR is a lot more consistent--which may or may not be a good thing. But like Mario said, practically any episode of TAR can stand on its own, whereas you lose a lot of context when you take an individual episode. Take the John boot in Marquesas. Great episode for sure, but without the backstory of the Gabe boot and the pre-swap and pre-merge tribal dynamics, you can't appreciate the power shift. It's more, "Oh, the old guy is working with the black guy now when he swore he wouldn't. Neat." A random episode of TAR sucks you in even when you don't know everything that happened before. I mean, really--save for TBC episodes, every episode of TAR has a winner and a placement order for every single team. You start fresh every week.
crzypunk2004		#17	[-]
Posts: 3650 (09/29/08 10:32 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	didn't they win an emmy for like the first season? but it was like in a different category because they didn't know where to put the show?
RageBot		#18	[-]
Posts: 229 (09/30/08 4:51 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Survivor didn't win the Emmy because it is a good show TAR wins because it is a noob show that you don't need to watch anything to get into the show, you don't need to know what happened before to understand what happens now, so if you send an episode to the guys who rate the shows for the prize they can enjoy the show much more than when watching survivor.
Survivor2345andbeyond		#19	[-]
Posts: 3476 (09/30/08 8:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They do submit terrible episodes... Guatemala: 1st Episode Panama: 1st Episode China: Ashley's Boot Micronesia: Joel's Boot anyone know what other crap episodes they handed in? Last Edited By: Survivor2345andbeyond 09/30/08 12:42 PM. Edited 1 times.
cindidindi76		#20	[-]
Posts: 12643 (09/30/08 5:00 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	the amazing race cast one quirky couple this year--as always. they went with old hippies this time around--and lone behold, they were eliminated first. snicker

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