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Ravu, I think one of the biggest problems is that you say things like "People hate Cook Islands because of the fact that there were a lot more minorities than usual." We hate ASS and Thailand too. Thailand had three minorities. ASS had ONE, tied for the lowest number of minority contestants ever.

That is the weirdest logic yet KP. I never said the only reason why anyone would dislike a season is race and race alone. Clearly, people are being selective in their use of editing, mactor hate, twists, etc. to hate on CI alone, and as I clearly shown above, the claims are inconsistent and curious. So I can't say I'm totally convinced it plays no role either

And don't say things like "You only like 'exotic' minorities." We like exotic ANYONE. Boring players are boring, regardless of race, and both Cook Islands and Fiji had a TON of boring players.

Race aside, even according to edgic, your claims about CI being more "boring" don't make sense. The only way one can determine CI more boring than other characters isn't through edgic but through subjectivity in judgment. Edgic shows that CI has 1 of the most diverse edits in any season, with all the types being represented except CPN and OTTP (there goes the claim that Aitu was shoved down our throats as super positive huh KP? Maybe you should take a look at 1 of your favorites Outback which had 2 OTTPs in the F5). Clearly, Stephannie and Rebecca weren't "boring" because of a lack of visibility or poor editing. People didn't relate to them, and why not? It may not be race but do you have a better explanation? I found them quite interesting and was rooting for both, so it's obviously clearly a subjective distinction

Alex wasn't boring and he was latino. Would you consider Alex "exotic"?

Yeah. He was "boring" until he exploded with rage in the finale. Not exactly a shining example for latinos

We like Michelle and she's Asian. Would you consider Michelle "exotic"?

Yeah, in terms of cute Asian girl fetish which is well known. A lot of white guys go for Asian chicks. And the racism theories of "exoticism" largely applies to Asian chicks to begin with. But regardless, in Michelle's case, she was just cute. The point is that you can't relate to NONE of the minorities or will be racist or something against all of them. The point is that there are limitations to your ability to relate to certain castaways just as one might not relate to a mactor or bartender or recruit or Southerner or whatever. Race is 1 of many social dividers, and I neither expect nor believe that all the viewers let alone Sucksters have absolutely love each and every Survivor equally from day 1 of an episode especially on a controversial race wars season

By labelling minority players (and only minority players) as "exotic," that just shows your own form of racism.

Uh huh

Personally, I would consider Jonathan and Flica as "exotic" as anyone else in their season.

In terms of the general race dialogues I've heard, it generally applies to ethnic minorities, since obviously Caucasians are the racial majority in the United States. Regardless of how unique someone like Flicka is, the terms "exotic" doesn't apply in the same way. The idea is that minorities are more likely to be portrayed and liked for being court jesters as opposed to kings. They are tokens in that they are often only most found appealing when they are so completely exotic or unique that it merits attention, but more mainstream type ethnic minorities are seen as bland, white wannabes (which suggests inferiority or subordination--at least to mainstream culture which is obviously going to be Caucasian dominated in the U.S.) and do not qualify as main characters

First off...did ya ever consider that maybe the positivity and negativity is listed in alphabetical order? Maybe THAT is why UTRN is above UTR is above UTRP.

Okay genius. So quick to criticize *sigh*. I was the one who MADE that order in the bottom right box, so I was the one who ORDERED those edits myself. *Shakes head*

Also, lemme go over those five people you mentioned.

Jenn-Was a huge part of the ONE good post-merge episode where she fought against her own elimination and fell JUST short. STILL, she WAS hated for being boring, until Coby and her friendship was shown.

According to edgic, she got a MOR2 rating for that. As hated as she might have been, she is no longer hated now thank goodness. Becky, unfortunately, has had no such turnaround in fortune, and yet as you can see, there certainly isn't a whole lot of justification to single her out in particular let alone justify CI hate entirely around Becky and Sundra

Amber-HATED, hence why we all think she's such a shitty winner

Yet that doesn't stop people hating Outback and saying the entire season sucks because of poorly edited Amber (among others like Nick), like they use to justify CI hate. Logically inconsistent? I think so

Stacy-She got an OTTNN, which is VERY different, mainly because, and you should like this, THAT episode, she painted as a racist. Also, she was the person who came up with the idea to boot Edgardo, which is, unquestionalby, the best moment of Fiji. Still, Stacy is extremely hated.

Actually, she was just painted as a bitch. Anyways, even if Stacy is "hated," Becky is strangely MORE hated, and you should be able to admit this much. As much hate as Stacy SHOULD get, she totally doesn't. Becky gets the most flaming, because people feel the need to take her down a billion notches and burn her and CI at the stake

Nick-Boring and hated. Still, more interesting than Becky because he wasn't in the majority. Same goes for Jenn.

So you liked him better for being an underdog? Wow. I can't believe you're setting yourself up like this . You are telling me a character edit doesn't matter now, but that game position matters more in this instance, and yet Becky was the 8-4 underdog that came from behind and wound up in the finals. You tell me which "position" sounds more interesting. Apparently, you think the no strategy lazy guy edit blipped out 3rd in minority tribe position is more interesting

Darrah-She won three immunity challenges in a row and had a ridiculous accent.

This is what Darrah DID, not what her edit was though. I agree Darrah is interesting for being a challenge whore, but in terms of her actual edited portrayal, it was worse than Becky's in visibility and development

Becky had nothing unique about her. She was boring, boring, boring. She has several strikes against her. She was a sheep. She never made any moves, and that's playing conservatively. That got Becky ZERO votes. She never had any outbursts. She made one of the dumbest moves ever by refusing the immunity idol when she could've been going home.

No. But let's move on...

Also, her BEST edit was a CP2.

Yeah, and that's pretty damn good considering Amber, Jenn, Darrah, Nick, and Stacy didn't get anything that good. Also, people I rated above her in terms of edgic entertainment value didn't even get that good of a rating like Boo, Morasca, and arguably Rodger, depending on if you love the OTTP types over CPs

That means extremely low visibility and no positive or negative tone. Becky had two invisible edits. One of those was in the FIRST episode. The OTHER was in the mutiny episode. So basically, two of the BIGGEST episodes of the season, Becky was a non-factor.

Who cares when the visibility occurred? Bottom line, there are plenty of people who had low visibility in all the other seasons, other people who had 2 or even more INV edits (including the 1st episode), and who were also non-factors and yet everyone piles shit on Becky alone. Can I get a WTF for $3000?

The ONLY episode where she had ANY tone, was an episode where she got a UTRP1. That's the weakest tone a player can get.

Well, I never said she was a great edited character. I don't disagree with that. But she isn't alone in the barely visible edits composing Survivor edgic history, but is basically seen as the #1 dud and that's the point

This is the same season while Sundra, Ozzy, and Yul are getting tones of positivity. Becky was a nobody.

Which kind of flies in the face of the argument that Aitu was shoved down our throats as ultra positive good guys huh? We were not meant to like Becky nor root for her