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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:

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I don't think a villain has to have power

Yes, I think it's vital to have power in order to be a vilain. Or at least numbers.


"Sir I think you've gone mad with power"

"Of course I've gone mad with power. Ever tried going mad without power? It's boring, nobody listens to you"

A quote straight of the Simpsons movie and I think it applies perfectly to Survivor.

Sorry panurge, but I have to strongly disagree with Terry, Jonathan and Jean-Robert being vilains.

Terry's negative edit towards the end was mainly him whinning about constantly getting outplayed. A negative edit, yes, but it sure as hell wasn't "vilainous" by any means. It's like saying Lill was a vilain because she went off crying. If anything, I'd say Terry's only "vilain" potential was very early on when he formed the boys' club and ousted Misty, then targetted Sally for obviously shallow reasons. Both girls appeared as nice and innocent and became victims of Terry ruling LaMina with an iron fist. When the merge came Terry lost all his power and became like the karate kid, survivng by sheer will and at that point, viewers fell in love with him. You guys may not have liked him here, but the general public says otherwise wether you want to face it or not. Other than Cirie, the Casayas didn't seem very popular with viewers, thus Terry became the underdog that the average Joe rooted for.

As for Jonathan, I'd say his path was very similar to Terry's. He began trying to control things on his tribe pre and post shuffle and people just seemed to be naturally listening to him and not opposing him. He was kinda ruthless (i.e manipulating Flicka to get rid of Cece, then kicking her out a couple of days later) I remember then people both here and the general public, considering him a vilain in the making. Then the mutiny came, he ditched his friends to gain more power and left them as the underdogs. That sure has hell tainted him with a negative image. However, it was very short-lived. Candace began talking smack about him with the rest of Raro after Jonathan admitted he mutinied for her. Then we saw Raro being lazy, spoiled brats and Jonathan was the only hard worker who all of a sudden found his way on the outside looking in. That redeemed him with the audience big time and it only got better when he screwed them over at the merge. From there on to his boot, he was just a complex personality. So just like Terry, his vilain status faded as soon as he lost power.

And Jean-Robert was nowhere close to being a vilain. Unlikable? Yes. Delusional? Totally. But just like me, I'm pretty the general public found to be a mere annoyance with a funnyish side to him. He was like a walking joke, really not someone you despised with your guts and prayed to see him leave.



So yes, I'd still stand by my position that if you lose your cards, you lose your vilain status. And if you don't have any cards to begin with you're merely an annoyance or delusional.

But I guess this is all in the eye of the beholder.

PS: You didn't comment on Fairplay who didn't have power until late. Power is useful to a villain but it doesn't define him.

Yes I think his true vilain status started coming out when he blindsided Rupert. Before that, he was just an obnoxious asshole.........granted he's always an obnoxious asshole.