Oh yeah, since some people won't know, Jenne was my co-author and co-researcher for Greece back in 2003.
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Oh yeah, since some people won't know, Jenne was my co-author and co-researcher for Greece back in 2003. |
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Awww, thanks for the hello Jenne |
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Marcy, I can't and won't answer for sensei, but I imagine and find the changed happened from just delving further into the story and getting into
everyone's head and motivations even more. The one big change is Frank going -and it makes sense. Makes sense to a degree that Tina and Frank were
blindsided in the original episode five, and going into the merge a combative element would have been further set into play between how Rob and Tina/Frank keep
the other in check. Rob went too easily in the first one and too naively to think something wouldn't have happened to him after Tina and Frank had the
wool pulled over his eyes. I've obsessively lived and breathed this story for so many years and have thought out every angle, and so far everything has
made sense -and even more sense to me in the rewrite in terms of player's mindset, character and motivation. (no one said this is healthy on my part, but
oh well).
Going forward, I'm still amazed that Colleen is out of the loop -it's far too dangerous to Tina's plan. Even a Tina conversation to her about what Colleen did to her with Frank, and that she understood her hands were tied, and that "we're cool." Tina's plan HAS to be to vote a Keko out next or she leaves the whole thing up to chance to who the winner will be, and she needs Colleen to do it. Tina's only safety in winning the game -from this point given the dynamics- is getting a final three of Colleen and Vecepia, so she very delicately has to set that up. She also has to target Kathy or Alicia this next round and not Gretchen or it will drive Colleen to the other side. Now the next episode will be so much fun in terms of how Tina plays Keko (and if she inadvertantly wins the spoiler). Keko themselves know they have to treat Tina gingerly and vote based on what they think her demands are. I imagine they'll think that they have to vote for John -since John betrayed Tina early in the game, and asking Tina to vote out Vecepia will scare Tina away. They also can't overtly look for another fourth vote in fear of thinking Tina will see it as a betrayal. Keko has to just follow Tina's lead, and observe how she is talking to the other Ahis. Colleen can't really be mad at Tina because she understands why Tina did what she did, and had every right to do it. It can though confirm to Colleen that John and Vee are nothing but opportunists. I think this next round, Colleen feels too badly about deceiving Tina priorly. But if she catches wind that Tina is playing Keko and gave them false hope, then she might tip the scales down the line. John will have to be the one though to put the bug in her ear, that the two of them can win it if they work together. If Colleen though gets a sense that she can't win, she will tip the scales to give Gretchen (or even Kathy) an advantage though at getting a million dollars for her family over deceivers. John is going to just make sure Ahi isn't stupid and stick together for the advantage. He knows Gretchen can't go next, so it will have to be Kathy or Alicia, and Kathy is the logical choice to appease Vee, and keeps his budding mercinary bond with Alicia intact. He ideally needs a final three of Colleen and Vecepia to make sure he gets to the end -and probably Alicia in his ideal final four. Vecepia is in the same boat as John -but none of the Kekos can be a parachute for her at all. Keep Ahi intact as final four, and ideally get Colleen out in fourth place, and be positioned between John and Tina for final three. If Tina gave Keko false hope, she can capitalize on that for a surprise win! Kathy and Gretchen are just taking whatever options they have, and I believe on being loyalists will take the other to the end -it's the only way they could live with themselves post game -that is if they are both in the final three and four. Alicia, I have no idea about -she doesn't trust anyone -and will just stay with Keko because she has to -but must be uneasy about the two Keko moms. But she just doesn't have options right now to formulate an endgame that doesn't involve Kathy, Gretchen and a mystery fourth (whom right now is Tina) -she can't make a move at this stage without becoming a target. Just has to wait and see. Tina has to juggle this next episode -but is in the cat bird's seat if she plays it right. Colleen and Vecepia have nothing against her, and John will do what is best for him to win the game. She can't tip off Keko or someone like Kathy is smart enough to stir it up and get Colleen or John. If Tina wins the Spoiler, she'll probably have a powwow with John and tell him she's sitting him out because he won immunity, and it won't tip off the Kekos. And that he just has to trust her. But then it also is hard to show Colleen that she's not playing sneaky and upfront. Tina doesn't know what the spoiler is, so she won't throw reward, but if she wins it, it will make her game much harder. Again, it looks like she has to get the Kekos out, and can't vote out Gretchen at this stage because of Colleen, and will probably go for Kathy to appease Vecepia. Tina needs her final three of Vecepia and Colleen. Even if she doesn't know John has a secret alliance with Vee, she knows Vecepia is the more tempting winner to take because of Kathy's poisoned animosity for her amongst the Kekos (that's probably three anti-Vee votes right there). Colleen is in a completely different boat this time -she hasn't been betrayed. John has welcomed her, Vee has cozied up to her, and Tina has repeatedly shown loyalty. hell, in Colleen's mind, she unfairly betrayed Tina who was nothing but nice to her, and was probably the result of Colleen's depression. John and Vee only voted out Rob because of Tina, and Tina had every right too. Colleen herself was plotting with Tina and Frank on how to get Rob out -she just feels bad because Rob selflessly gave her the reward. If everything goes smoothly, Colleen should be fine with voting out a Keko (Alicia or Kathy) -but not Gretchen. Now Colleen is no dummy, she will be watching the Tina/Vecepia/John trio like a hawk but acting like the wounded bird. And she'll think strategically this round, unless forced not to and into the arms of the three Kekos. Unless she sees an Ahi do something she deems crossing the line (like Tina blatantly giving Keko false hope) she'll stay with her crew -who have been loyal to her. But watch out in final six if Colleen thinks Tina/Vee/John are going final three, and Gretchen will be removed, and learned Tina gave false hope to the Kekos. She'll take a play from Tina's book and force the tie knowing John or Vee will budge, and probably get a final open two deal from the remaining Kekos -if you/I help you, then we/you take me to the final two. Can't wait for this episode. The only safe person is Gretchen -and again, Gretchen is safe because of the need for Colleen's vote. Gretchen has a really good buffer there. Kathy is in the most danger (sigh!), but if Tina is sticking with the Kekos (but why?) then John could go -even though it kills Kathy that Vee gets to stay in the game, but Keko takes their orders from Tina. Or all this could boomerang and bite Tina in the butt, which would probably stem from Colleen getting sick of the lies and going right to Gretchen and Kathy. |
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Ah, Marcy, welcome back. And good question.
When did Hawaii become an entirely new story? Well yeah like CL said, it happened with the Frank boot. Up to that point, I was trying my hardest to keep Hawaii as close to the original as I could, not because I loved the original so much, but because it was just easier and I wanted to be lazy. But when we got to the Frank boot, I started to see some problems with the original. I started to realize, why would everybody suddenly start playing for themselves and make all these cross-tribe alliances? Because if you remember the original, that's exactly what happened. Mike went first after the merge, and then suddenly everybody decided to just turn on Rob for no reason. And even though it made a fun story (ha ha, fuck you Rob) it just didn't seem like that would have happened in real life. It seemed to me that even if the Ahis didn't like Rob, they would still keep him around because he was a good shield to hide behind. With Rob out there, he would always be the biggest target on the most threatening alliance. So that was part of the reason the story changed. I just didn't like the fact that Ahi decided to implode for no reason. Strategically it didn't make sense, especially when you factored in the skill of the remaining players. But the other reason I decided to change (or do some revisionist history, as you called it) is because Rob is just written as much more competent this time around. I don't think I ever had a very good grasp of how solid a player he really was back in 2002. Remember, I wrote the first Hawaii story right after Marquesas ended, so a lot of my characterization was based on "funny Rob" from the first few episodes of Marquesas. And even though that worked in 2002, it became awfully jarring to read after we saw Rob in All-Stars. It was almost impossible to read Rob in the first Hawaii after we saw how cutthroat and manipulative he ended up being in All-Stars. And once I figured that out (that Rob had to upgrade a little bit in the rewrite), it set a whole chain of events in motion for me. Once I realized Rob was a lot scarier and more threatening that I originally gave him credit for, it ended up changing the story. Was this revisionist history? Was I just rewriting Hawaii to make it more like All-Stars? Well sort of. I mean, I did base my characterization of Rob on what we saw in All-Stars. But at the same time I wasn't trying to make the story more like All-Stars. I was just trying to fit "All-Star Rob" into my Hawaii storyline. And, well, you can see what ended up happening. He became a lot more competent, a lot more villainous, and it no longer seemed realistic that he would get blindsided for no reason in episode 8 in the rewrite. In the rewrite, I changed the story to Frank getting blindsided, because A) I thought it was more realistic to what would have happened in real life, and B) Because it set up two storylines I wanted to focus on more this time around: The anger of Tina, and the anger of Colleen. After that, my plan was to still keep the original ending of episode 9 (Vecepia going home) because I liked it so much, but as you can see from the last 2 months worth of posts, it didn't quite work out that way. Once I changed episode 8, I now had to change episode 9. And once I ended up changing both episodes, I realized I now had an entirely new story. Did I ever intend to write a completely new story? No. It just sort of happened that way. I sort of trapped myself into it. But that's where we are now, so a new story we shall have. From this point, it is anyone's game. And no, I don't have any idea where it is going. |
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Going forward, I'm still amazed that Colleen is out of the loop -it's far too dangerous to Tina's plan. Even a Tina conversation to her about what Colleen did to her with Frank, and that she understood her hands were tied, and that "we're cool." Tina's plan HAS to be to vote a Keko out next or she leaves the whole thing up to chance to who the winner will be, and she needs Colleen to do it. Tina's only safety in winning the game -from this point given the dynamics- is getting a final three of Colleen and Vecepia, so she very delicately has to set that up. She also has to target Kathy or Alicia this next round and not Gretchen or it will drive Colleen to the other side. One again, I warn you not to treat the working copy as gospel. Some of these details are going to change in the final draft. I doubt that Colleen will end up out of the loop at the end of this episode. Now that I know where the storyline is going, I will probably make a couple of changes. Now the next episode will be so much fun in terms of how Tina plays Keko (and if she inadvertantly wins the spoiler). Keko themselves know they have to treat Tina gingerly and vote based on what they think her demands are. I imagine they'll think that they have to vote for John -since John betrayed Tina early in the game, and asking Tina to vote out Vecepia will scare Tina away. They also can't overtly look for another fourth vote in fear of thinking Tina will see it as a betrayal. Keko has to just follow Tina's lead, and observe how she is talking to the other Ahis. To be quite honest, I don't think it will be a very good episode for the Kekos. It certainly doesn't look that way. Colleen can't really be mad at Tina because she understands why Tina did what she did, and had every right to do it. It can though confirm to Colleen that John and Vee are nothing but opportunists. I think this next round, Colleen feels too badly about deceiving Tina priorly. But if she catches wind that Tina is playing Keko and gave them false hope, then she might tip the scales down the line. John will have to be the one though to put the bug in her ear, that the two of them can win it if they work together. If Colleen though gets a sense that she can't win, she will tip the scales to give Gretchen (or even Kathy) an advantage though at getting a million dollars for her family over deceivers. Colleen is sort of a wild card here because I don't think "feeling bad" is part of her vocabulary anymore. She's been trying to move past that. So we'll see what happens with her. I could go any number of directions with her storyline, which in some ways makes it easier, and in some ways makes it harder. John is going to just make sure Ahi isn't stupid and stick together for the advantage. He knows Gretchen can't go next, so it will have to be Kathy or Alicia, and Kathy is the logical choice to appease Vee, and keeps his budding mercinary bond with Alicia intact. He ideally needs a final three of Colleen and Vecepia to make sure he gets to the end -and probably Alicia in his ideal final four. Ha ha. I love the new little Alicia-John dynamic. That was basically just an homage to the original (where they were very much a team all along) but in this case, I'm not sure what I want to do with it. It could come in handy later, it could not. It's too early to tell. Vecepia is in the same boat as John -but none of the Kekos can be a parachute for her at all. Keep Ahi intact as final four, and ideally get Colleen out in fourth place, and be positioned between John and Tina for final three. If Tina gave Keko false hope, she can capitalize on that for a surprise win! That would sure be a fun ending. :) Alicia, I have no idea about -she doesn't trust anyone -and will just stay with Keko because she has to -but must be uneasy about the two Keko moms. But she just doesn't have options right now to formulate an endgame that doesn't involve Kathy, Gretchen and a mystery fourth (whom right now is Tina) -she can't make a move at this stage without becoming a target. Just has to wait and see. Yeah. She is really in the most fascinating position right now because she is on nobody's list as a top ally. She's sort of on the bottom of everyone's list. That might actually not be a bad thing, either. Thanks for the comments! The final version of ep9 is coming along well. It should be all up and ready to go in a couple of days. |
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Okay it looks like the final version of ep9 will be about 68 pages long. That's about average for a Hawaii episode. I'm currently done proof-reading
and proof-editing the first 50 pages, so it's almost ready to go. It should be all set to go by the weekend, and then I can do episode notes.
Thanks as always for your patience. |
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Okay the final version of episode 9 will be posted tomorrow night. I think it turned out very well. Just pay attention to the main Hawaii page for details:
http://members.aol.com/AllStarHawaii/hawaii.htm
Also, I changed the title a little bit. I like it much better now. :) |
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hip hip hooray!
can't wait -and I'm going to reread the whole series so far (like I always do) and get a feel for the dynamics. For some reason, I feel Kathy and Gretchen are a lot closer this time -well, because it's true. But closer in the sense that they would go to the end with one another over anything else -simply out of respect. Because of Vecepia's past with Kathy, it has really curtailed her -and she has no room to branch out to the other Kekos- the main reason Vecepia is making sure all the Ahis are happy. John really has found himself in a good position -even when he went against Lex, he's seemed to bounce back into this thing -Vecepia has promised him something, but he never promised anything to her, and he's handled the Colleen situation perfectly. Vee and Tina actually have a shot of winning this thing -well, facing one another. Their problem is the fact that logic enters the picture and people will know that the two need one another for insurance. John and Colleen are the ones holding the aces since Tina and Vecepia need them, and J&C have buffers with Gretchen -(Alicia?). safest to vulnerable- 1. Gretchen -this doesn't mean that Gretchen is in the best position to win the game -but for this next round she is 100% safe- and it all comes down to her past/outside relationship with Colleen. Gretchen may be the ideal choice to go, but Ahi knows they need numbers and four is what it takes -if they push too early for Gretchen it will force Haskell to save her and ruin all the Ahi's chances. John, Vee and Tina will have to wait until she can be voted out with three votes- and this might actually help Gretchen until final five-giving her time to pick up on the dynamics -if only she were a more aware player -this game would be hers. 2. Colleen- everyone needs her vote, and too many vipers around. Her defeatist attitude in the last round, age, and lucky breaks in real life could cause backlash and becomes desirable to take to the final two. (The person who takes her also looks like the good guy on TV too -and probably wins) 3. Tina- no way she leaves unless she makes an overt move and pisses off the Kekos and Colleen thinks she's overscheming and flips. John and Vecepia are nuetralized and need her, and Tina knows this -now Tina has to talk with Colleen to set her up as her ally for protection -and always keep herself in more control than Vecepia. 4. John- just because Vee and Tina need him, and Colleen loves hanging out with him. If things were different, he'd be a target simply because he's the last man standing and won the immunity challenge. He could still be a target if Tina sides with the Kekos, and to appease her they choose John and not Vecepia as the target -and Tina owes Johns for his episode five treachery. 5. Vecepia - She will always be on shakey ice because of her past with Kathy and in a snap that's three votes from Keko whenever they want. And if she makes any Ahi feel uneasy with her -it's too easy to wipe her out. 6. Alicia -should be a target because she's physically domineering -what she does have working for her is she's not the threat Kathy is to Vecepia. But she offers nothing to the power players in the game (Tina, Vecepia, John) and wins a jury vote if one of them did take her to the end- based on Ahi bitterness. She did vote to give Tina a million dollars -so Tina may return the favor and want to give Alicia another round of play over Kathy. 7. Kathy -ugh, Kathy was supposed to win! But unless Colleen makes an overtly emotional move (and against whom and for what reason?) there's no need not to get rid of a Keko -and Kathy has proven to be the most wily out of the three left -and Vecepia won't have it any other way. But she could win immunity, and if Gretchen wins I bet she'd give it away to her -and Colleen might decree she'd rather Alicia go over Kathy (whom she has some friendship with) and the other Ahis are forced to vote the same way as Haskell. |
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Episode 9 of All-Star Survivor: Hawaii, "Cold-Blooded Assassin", will be posted tonight around 11:00 PM PST.
After a lot of rewrites and tinkering, I've finally reached the point that I like the way it turned out. It's a good episode. |
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Episode 9 is complete!
http://members.aol.com/AllStarHawaii/hawaii.htm Episode notes coming soon. |
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I tried to just clear my mind (not hard) and reread this as a whole new entity, and it's first rate.
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Great episode, really. It was clearly Mariano's swan song, but there was some really interesting stuff going on and it made up for his lack of a real
fight. I loved Tina's mysterious strategy revelation to Vecepia, and I loved the fact that we don't know exactly what it is even more.
Did Rob give up his reward in the original episode as well? Was that one of those eerie similarities between this fanfic and the actual ASS? I mean, having the same person up and sacrifice his reward out of nowhere at the F8 in two different plot lines is pretty spooky. I like how only one man remains at the F7, because it easily could have played out that way in the real ASS as well. Get enough power players together, and you're sure to see the alpha males fall very quickly. I don't like how underdeveloped John feels at this point, but at the same time, maybe that's just a personal thing, because I seem to remember him getting development as the season's progressed, even though I don't feel like we've gotten true insight into his thought process. |
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No that wasn't in the original. And I talk about all this in the episode notes. So just wait a day or so, and you'll get a longer answer.
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really, I think John is nicely developed throughout the whole rewrite -and this episode especially. If he and Colleen play their cards right, they have the
game sewn up -if they work together, (both have the luxury of Vecepia and Tina needing them more than they need them, and have so many shields around them) And
he has a great shot at winning too -he's going to move heaven and earth to get Colleen and Vecepia into the final three with him.
Rob didn't give up his reward in the original -probably due to his being voted out by then. He was the first juror, not Frank. (Vee and John won -and John pulled the rug over on her by siding with his secret ally, Alicia. He won immunity so I guess he felt confident in forcing the tie. Although Colleen cast the stray vote in defiance to Tina -causing Vecepia to go home). *But yeah, weird and cool that Rob and real Rob gave up his reward. I can't wait for the next episode. Tina's plan has to be to make up with Colleen, and Vee keeps John close so Vee and Tina both make final four with Colleen and John both thinking they have a solid ally with Tina and Vecepia respectfully. And it's a good plan -Tina has to cut out a Keko this round, and then can't very well cut out John or Colleen in final six because it risks the two remaining Kekos teaming up with the remaining Ahi. The four remaining Ahis are fantastic in terms of story regardless if they make final four together or not. The rest of this series is going to be just great -everyone is a really good player in their own way. |
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I think the next episode is Colleen's to decide. While logically, it would make sense for her to stick with the Ahis, assuming that is the plan of Tina
and Vee, I would not be surprised if she flipped to join the Kekos instead just because she's mad about being left out of the Rob vote.
I would assume Kathy will be the target of Tina and Vee, not least because she's easily the most strategic of the Kekos. The fact that she's driven to get revenge on Vee doesn't hurt (though that motive has been softened from earlier in the game). Alicia is shiftier, but she's not nearly as astute. Gretchen has been more open to playing the game this time around, but her strategic sense is still fairly simple (plus targeting Gretchen would be very bad for keeping Colleen onside). Issues this next episode: How do the Ahis approach Colleen, and how does she react? Do the Kekos get wary of Tina and approach Colleen themselves? Do Alicia and John continue to develop a plot between them? Do the Kekos target Vee as presumed? For Tina and Vee, the Kathy vote seems straightforward, and both will have incentive to pretend that Tina is still with the Kekos for as long as possible. Vee shouldn't expect it will take much to keep John in line, but Tina has got to be quick in resolving any issue with Colleen (as quietly as possible). For Kathy and Gretchen, initially they should think they've got their four and can pick off Vee or John at the next vote. The question is whether they'll pick up on Tina's continuing connection with Vee or not, and my guess is that they will eventually though they may not be certain that Tina will definitely turn against them again. Regardless, I'm sure Gretchen will be looking to include Colleen in the group. Kathy may hesitate and balk, particularly while she's still counting on Tina. Why? Because of Alicia. Alicia's already wary of being dropped to fourth because of Tina. Including Colleen, especially unnecessarily, will not sit well with her. And Kathy is shrewd enough to realize it'll be a lot easier to remove Colleen from the game if she doesn't become an honorary Keko. Alicia will be thinking ahead to how she can remove either Tina or Gretchen to insure her spot in the final three. While she may be OK with dumping Vee on this next vote, it wouldn't be out of character for her to float the idea of removing Colleen as a potential jury threat. Fair or not, I think Alicia would have to see the joining of Colleen with Keko as a major threat to her. Alicia is also going to be very suspicious of Tina, even without cause, and she'll be pushing to vote her out if there's any sense she's not with them, no doubt trying to convince John to give them the majority. At this point, I think Alicia's ideal F3 is herself, Kathy, and John, using Gretchen's F3 offer to Tina as justification for breaking the Keko vow. John is Alicia's mirror image on the Ahi side. While I'm sure he'll be all for keeping the Ahis together for now, he has no close relationship with Tina, at least not since he betrayed Lex, and he'll want to go to the end with Vee and Colleen currently. If the cross plotting with Alicia develops further, he'll have that option too. He, like Tina, will need to make up with Colleen if possible. He can probably feign ignorance, saying that he was told at the last minute and just assumed Colleen was also told. If that fails, I think John cuts his losses. If Colleen runs to the Kekos, I think John turns to Alicia, offering Colleen as the target. (Obviously, Tina and Vee would go along.) That will appeal to Alicia since together they would be the swing votes at F6. John can even promise Tina out next if Gretchen follows at F5. (Heh, that could ironically force Kathy and Vee to work together at F4, again!) For Colleen, it really comes down to whether she's playing emotionally or strategically. If she sticks with the Ahis, she's not in a bad spot, with John and Tina preferring to keep her around. That said, given her professed uncaring about the game, she may be led to reunite with Gretchen over the snakes at Ahi. If she does go to Keko, does she tell them about Tina's plan (assuming she would hear it in efforts to persuade her to remain with the Ahis)? Or does she let them form their own opinion about Tina? If Colleen rejects Tina's plan but remains silent, I suppose Tina could join Keko in reality, but that's still not a great position for her. |
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Lurker, the difference this time from last is that Colleen really has nothing to be mad about. In fact, quite the opposite now. Last time, she was taken
for granted, this time she has gotten into the game just as much as anyone else. She wasn't betrayed by John and Vecepia this time because she knew before
anyone else that Tina would flip. And she can't really be mad at Tina because Rob (and even Colleen to a degree) forced her to.
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John wouldn't target Alicia next. Don't forget their new little working relationship. He would be stupid to just cut that out for no reason.
Remember, John isn't some passive little shlub out there. He's playing as hard as anybody. The only difference is that he couldn't
"visually" play hard until Rob got himself voted out. At this point, I believe that John is easily the most interesting (albeit underdeveloped and
hidden) character out there.
Remember, John's relationship with Colleen isn't entirely benevolent. He treats her that way because he is smart enough to know that that's how she likes to be treated. :) |
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And I do think you're overestimating Colleen's bond with Gretchen. It's not like Colleen hasn't turned down a Keko alliance at least four or
five times before. I think she's moved long past the stage of "We can't get rid of Gretchen or Colleen will cry." Colleen is just as much a
player as anyone out there. Besides, an emotional bond with Gretchen is pretty much the last thing she wants to be having. The longer Gretchen sticks around,
the harder it is for Colleen to be able to avoid getting wrapped up in personal friendships. I would think that Gretchen leaving the game would actually help
her.
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oh, I agree to an extent -I still think the Ahis will be too hesitant to vote for Gretchen next because Colleen might balk at it. (and sorry, I do think if
Colleen thinks she's being played and will lose I think she would tip the scales in Gretchen's favor instead of two millionaires winning again over the
teacher/mother friend -and she'll be thinking of her mom yelling at her if she let Tina and Vee win when she, John or Gretchen could have gotten the money
-does that make sense?) Colleen plays hard for the win but if she senses she's being played, tips it in Gretchen's favor -But you're right, it
shouldn't and probably won't get to that point.
I don't fully get the branching out to Alicia from John -except that they had a partnership in the original version. John's deadmeat if he faces any Keko in the final two, so he can really only use Alicia as a pawn if he needs it. He and Kathy got along great post game of Marquesas -both getting the turtle tattoos -and with Kathy still in the game, she and Vee will always target each other first. Alicia was in the Outback with Tina, and voted for Tina to win -Tina would remember that, and it might give Tina more leverage than John would have. Right now, he has all the cards. And with Gretchen and Colleen -Colleen's has had a constant dialogue with her, and mouthed Michael was going to her. I think she's definitely keeping the option open with her -if she needs it. And yes, would protest and alarms might go off for her if in the next two rounds her name comes up, "Whoa, Alicia and Kathy are a lot more stronger and strategic! Why Gretchen?" Besides from Vecepia and Tina's point of view, keeping Gretchen to the final five is good because they'll know they AND John won't want Gretchen to be in the final four with Colleen, so it keeps John in check with at least three votes. If they let Kathy and Alicia slip into the final five then they are more of a free agent -this way, in case their standing of two previous winners who have to take each other to the end, they point out, "Yeah, but John Colleen and Gretchen will be the same thing." Essentially setting up a pair for John to doubt (Colleen/Gretchen?) and for him to stay in line with their AHI final four. |
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Okay episode 9 notes are done. There's some good stuff here this time.
http://www.acsn2.com/~locbaseb/hawaii/9notes.htm Stay tuned next for episode 10, "The Spoiler". Working copy coming soon! |
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