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mtj1282 wrote:

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In one or two denise interviews she said that she was the main strategist. She said that she would tell Todd a plan and then Todd would go to Amanda with the plan and act like it was his own. When it comes down to it I dont believe her but I do believe that she has convinced herself of this because I dont think she would straight up lie about it. Prior to episode 1 of china, jeff had said that denise was one of the most endearing contestants ever and that we would fall in love with her and root for her. I think if they gave her more screentime this would have been true.

Although she did straight up lie about the loss of her job for attention and sympathy. Of course we can say she convinced herself she was right when talking about her job, but what she said was a pretty big shift from the truth that I find hard to believe she actually thought she was telling the truth.

Also, I cringed when she told Amanda/Todd/Courtney that if she had been in the final 3 she would have won...Yeah right, lady.

mtj1282 wrote:

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AmightyRo wrote:

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mtj1282 wrote:

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In one or two denise interviews she said that she was the main strategist. She said that she would tell Todd a plan and then Todd would go to Amanda with the plan and act like it was his own. When it comes down to it I dont believe her but I do believe that she has convinced herself of this because I dont think she would straight up lie about it. Prior to episode 1 of china, jeff had said that denise was one of the most endearing contestants ever and that we would fall in love with her and root for her. I think if they gave her more screentime this would have been true.

Although she did straight up lie about the loss of her job for attention and sympathy. Of course we can say she convinced herself she was right when talking about her job, but what she said was a pretty big shift from the truth that I find hard to believe she actually thought she was telling the truth.

Also, I cringed when she told Amanda/Todd/Courtney that if she had been in the final 3 she would have won...Yeah right, lady.

If the jury voted now, no she wouldnt have won. But when they were out there she would definitley have had James, JR, and Eriks votes per there interviews. If the vote is 3-2-2 that could have been enough. Otherwise sll she would need is one more.

I still find that hard to believe; Im not saying you're wrong but I doubt Denise can beat a convincing argument as Todd had. Them voting for Denise would be pathetic; voting on sympathy rather than strategy.

Im guessing James doesn't make the jury now considering we're losing 2 more people next episode (Kathy and Tracy/Ami?) which brings us down to 11 and then Tracy/Ami the episode after that. Those 3 are the last three that are "pre-jury" until Survivorfever posted that James is now "makes merge" instead of the jury. So they merge at 10 and James is voted out, right before jury? The remaining 9 are all spoiled for jury or further.

The previews basically show Tracy getting booted and Kathy quitting.

Well, the jury could still have 9 people and Ami makes it, and Eliza comes in 12th place as juror #1.

Or, maybe it is a final 2 after all. The jury starting at 9th place would be back to pre-S13. That would surprise everyone. A traditional jury of 7 and a final 2.

I'd prefer a jury of 9 and a final 2 this season. I've always thought the final 3 was not an improvement.

Eliza makes more sense as first juror if she's booted from two tribes than as the first post-merge boot. If she is juror #1, then I'd guess the jury either has 9 members or the merge doesn't happen until there are nine left.

crzypunk2004 wrote:

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that would make 6 jury members

You're so right, I forgot to add in the final 3 instead of final 2.