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bewareofkrishzen		#361	[-]
Posts: 6 (03/14/08 1:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i think the misconceptions may mean that the spoilers weren't that accurately interpreted for example, the Natalie lasts up to the family reward doesn't mean she goes far. they may have an earlier family reward and she got voted out mid game... that's probably what the misconceptions mean... imo
Corpus Earthling		#362	[-]
Posts: 151 (03/14/08 11:04 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There's a difference between the two. Misconception = A mistaken thought, idea, or notion; a misunderstanding Misdirection = An intentional mislead; Incorrect instructions or directions; To be lied to and then be laughed at later on.
lionsgo	Natalie	#363	[-]
Posts: 18 (03/14/08 11:57 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was the one who brought forward the Natalie spoiler. I will reiterate that not only does Natalie make it to the family reward but she also returns home about 100 lbs and full of bug bites. Natalie does make it far in this game....no misconception about it.
SurvivorFanGP		#364	[-]
Posts: 5187 (03/14/08 12:00 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ami and Natalie admittedly look alike, though Ami has a good thirty pounds or so on her, probably. I wouldn't be surprised if they're mixed up.
AnneZob		#365	[-]
Posts: 5 (03/15/08 9:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	With the misdirections clue, it could be that the clue refers to misdirections and misconceptions in game. The first clue with the house of cards has the Green Witch which people suggest might refer to Cirie. In that case the green haze around the 4 women in the clue could refer to them being misdirected and manipulated by the Green Witch aka Cirie. Jeff said there will be a record number of blind-sides this season and it could very well be that most of them are arranged by Cirie. In fact if Green = Cirie then that would explain Survivor Phoenix's love of green in the clues this season. Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/15/08 10:13 AM. Edited 2 times.
AnneZob		#366	[-]
Posts: 6 (03/15/08 9:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	With the house of cards: The top card are 3 goddesses: the final 3 will be women. The Green Witch from Wicked: she was noted for being different because of the color of her skin. Could refer to Cirie. The White Witch could be Alexis? In the book the White Witch basically is seen as the paragon of goodness and is loved but a large part of that is because she never sticks her neck out even when she knows that people are doing wrong things. The lack of any action by the White Witch but still being "loved" (by the editors at least!) does fit in with Alexis' edit so far... Can anyone tell what the card next to the Wicked card is. It obviously shows a woman but who? Still there look like 2 women in the picture which could refer to the 2 witches once again. The two cards are rested on a base which looks like the Hindu Goddess Parvati. So I guess Cirie and Parvati at least make it to the end. However Cirie (and Alexis if she is the White Witch) is on top of Parvati. Parvati in fact forms the base upon which they rest. There is a card falling down which looks like the end of the showmance though it has Ami in it and not Amanda. At the bottom discarded are the pictures of the original fan and favorite tribes showing that they are discarded meaning fan and favorite alliances become mixed. At the very bottom shows Parvati and James showing that the couple will be split. Ozzie and Amanda are not shown on the bottom so I guess they do not betray each other. It is possible that Cirie convinces Parvati to betray James, or at least that will be the way it will be edited. And it is a very important event. Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/15/08 10:06 AM. Edited 3 times.
AnneZob		#367	[-]
Posts: 7 (03/15/08 9:59 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	For the "Anatomy of Victory" clue I'm not sure if it refers to Cirie or Parvati. Parvati: Big V. Cirie: If the Green Witch is Cirie the green color of the clue refers to Cirie. Also there are lots of medical hints in the clue - the use of the word "Anatomy", the X-ray and the bone font used. Cirie is a nurse by profession so the medical theme would fit in exactly with her.
Heliox		#368	[-]
Posts: 459 (03/15/08 10:38 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie: If the Green Witch is Cirie the green color of the clue refers to Cirie. Also there are lots of medical hints in the clue - the use of the word "Anatomy", the X-ray and the bone font used. Cirie is a nurse by profession so the medical theme would fit in exactly with her. And the V could also be a reference to our last black female winner Vee. AnneZob, thanks for the analysis, seems plausible.
AnneZob		#369	[-]
Posts: 8 (03/15/08 11:25 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Heliox wrote: Cirie: If the Green Witch is Cirie the green color of the clue refers to Cirie. Also there are lots of medical hints in the clue - the use of the word "Anatomy", the X-ray and the bone font used. Cirie is a nurse by profession so the medical theme would fit in exactly with her. And the V could also be a reference to our last black female winner Vee. AnneZob, thanks for the analysis, seems plausible. Thanks. Going back through the thread I just noticed that someone had already made the medical-Cirie connection. Oops. Heh, you know long thread and all that. Still I don't think anyone else has made the suggestion yet that the 4 women in the "Spoilers and misdirections" clue could all be victims of the misdirections of "Green Witch" Cirie.
SurvivingInLA		#370	[-]
Posts: 48 (03/15/08 11:53 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sadly, I keep thinking Cirie is Elpheba, the green witch -- who is smarter and does all the work and Parvati as the Glinda who's dizzy and just wants to be popular. And everybody's happy when "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead," and the popular one gets all the credit.
AnomyBC		#371	[-]
Posts: 4303 (03/15/08 11:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ami and Natalie admittedly look alike, though Ami has a good thirty pounds or so on her, probably. I wouldn't be surprised if they're mixed up. They do? I don't think they look anything alike---although they do have certain things in common, such as both being lesbians and both having done some modeling. They've also both been largely invisible this season. One other connection: Ami was almost part of the first all-female final 6 and Natalie is likely to be part of the first all-female final 5.
Heliox		#372	[-]
Posts: 461 (03/15/08 5:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	From Wicked, some of the lyrics from the song sung at the beginning of the play by the good witch: NO ONE MOURNS THE WICKED ...Let us be glad Let us be grateful Let us rejoicify that goodness could subdue The wicked workings of you-know-who Isn't it nice to know That good will conquer evil? The truth we all believe'll by and by Outlive a lie For you and -... ...Are people born Wicked? Or do they have Wickedness thrust upon them? .... Sadly, I keep thinking Cirie is Elpheba, the green witch -- who is smarter and does all the work and Parvati as the Glinda who's dizzy and just wants to be popular. And everybody's happy when "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead," and the popular one gets all the credit I can see that take on the story from wicked.. but I hope that it is the 'wicked' one that wins if it refers to Cirie.
AnneZob		#373	[-]
Posts: 9 (03/15/08 7:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SurvivingInLA wrote: Sadly, I keep thinking Cirie is Elpheba, the green witch -- who is smarter and does all the work and Parvati as the Glinda who's dizzy and just wants to be popular. And everybody's happy when "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead," and the popular one gets all the credit. Actually for me, Alexis is more the Glinda type than Parvati. All smiles, sweetness, light, beloved, knowing what the thing to do is but never actually ever make any moves. She reaps the advantages of her friendship with the Green Witch and her willingness to align with known evil (the Wizard of Oz) in order to further her own career. This fits in with the edit Alexis has been getting so far - the sweetheart who theoretically knows what to do but we don't ever actually see her doing anything of substance. Not to say she isn't doing anything - as the Insiders show she is busy making alliances but in an interesting editing choice the editors aren't showing any of it. Also notice the Green Witch and White Witch and the 2 women in the card next to the Wicked card are resting on top of the Parvati card. Parvati is at their feet. So the chief worry is not that Parvati will reap the benefits of Cirie's manipulations by being at the right place at the right time but Alexis would. OTOH the "Anatomy of a Victory" has no pointers to Alexis and it is not necessarily true that everything from Wicked will be repeated in Survivor. Another thing I just noticed is the connection between the title of the "Anatomy of a Victory" clue - "I May I Might I Must" and the title of the house of cards clue "Defying Gravity". Here are the lyrics to the song from Wicked sung by the Green Witch: Something has changed within me. Something is not the same. I'm through with playing by the rules of someone elses game. Too late for second-guessing. Too late to go back to sleep! It's time to trust my instints. Close my eyes, and leap! It's time to trust my instincs. Close my eyes, and leap! It's time to try defying gravity. I think I'll try defying gravity, and you can't pull me down! GLINDA: (sung) Can't I make you understand. You're having delusions of grandeur! ELPHABA: (sung) I'm through with accepting limits, 'Cuz someone says they're so! Some things I cannot change, but 'till I try, I'll never know! Too long I've been afraid of loosing love, I guess I've lost! Well, if thats love, it comes at much to high a cost! I'd sooner buy defying gravity Kiss me goodby! I'm defying gravity, and you can't pull me down! The lyrics in "Defying Gravity" and the line "I May I Might I Must" have a similar kind of air to them of a break from the past, taking chances, making giant leaps, determination and will. At the end of the song the Green Witch makes an offer to the White Witch saying they should work together to fight against the evil Wizard of Oz and defying gravity together but the White Witch who knowing full well the Wizard is evil refuses to leave with the Green Witch. ELPHABA: (sung) So if you care to find me Look to the western sky! As someone told me lately: "Ev'ryone deserves the chance to fly!" And if I'm flying solo, At least I'm flying free. To those who'd ground me, Take a message back from me: Tell them how I am Defying gravity! I'm flying high, Defying gravity! And soon I'll match them in renown. And nobody in, all of Oz. No Wizard that there is or was. Is ever gonna bring me down! GLINDA: (sung) I hope you're happy! CITIZENS OF OZ: (sung) Look at her, she's wicked! (shouted) Get her! ELPHABA: (sung) Bring me down! CITIZENS OF OZ: (sung) So we've got to bring her ELPHABA: (sung) Aaahhhhhhh! CITIZENS OF OZ:(sung) Down! Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/15/08 7:20 PM. Edited 2 times.
ProbstFan123		#374	[-]
Posts: 8463 (03/15/08 7:20 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OTOH the "Anatomy of a Victory" has no pointers to Alexis Wasn't that poem linked to Alexis?
AnneZob		#375	[-]
Posts: 10 (03/15/08 7:28 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ProbstFan123 wrote: OTOH the "Anatomy of a Victory" has no pointers to Alexis Wasn't that poem linked to Alexis? The "connection" is that a poem of that name was written by someone of the same religion (Presbytarian) as Alexis. However the thing is if you look hard enough at A and B you will always be able to find some connection however tenuous between the two things. If Survivor Phoenix had meant to make the connection via religion I think they would have made it a lot more obvious. I mean the medical theme of the clue isn't exactly subtle. The Chinese character for female clue pointing to the Chinese Michelle's boot wasn't exactly subtle either. What seems to be a stronger connection is the line does link in strongly with the theme of the song "Defying Gravity" from Wicked, also the title of the "House of Card" clue which is sung by the Green Witch.
AnneZob		#376	[-]
Posts: 11 (03/15/08 7:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You know looking at the Defying Gravity song again I wonder if the Citizens of Oz aren't us i.e. the fanbase. That we are the ones who will be labeling Cirie as "Wicked" for her actions in advancing in the game and she is the one who is "Defying Gravity" and leaping above us. My personal suspicion is that Cirie will be given the Richard Hatch/Brian Hendick edit i.e. the evil mastermind. I do wonder about Cirie's chances. In Wicked as a whole, Glinda ends up on top. However in that specific song, "Defying Gravity" the Green Witch thumbs her nose at the Citizens of Oz and escapes in the air, levitating above the crowd. She obtains the reputation of "Wicked" but the song is about her not giving a damn any more and doing what she has to do. And she escapes from the people wanting to pull her down. "Defying Gravity" is the Green Witch's victory song. If Cirie is brought down I would have thought Survivor Phoenix would have chosen as the title the opening song "No One Mourns the Wicked." I think that if the Final 3 are Cirie, Parvati and Alexis then what will happen is Parvati gets zero or one vote and then the rest of the votes will be split between Cirie and Alexis. She is shown under the feet of Cirie and Alexis and forming the base upon which they stand. It is possible Cirie uses Parvati to break up the showmance, which is what Cirie and Alexis are standing on, and Ozzy, Amanda and James who most people think will vote for Parvati refuse to vote for her because of that. I get hints in the show that most of the players are not really aware that Cirie is a mastermind behind boots. Joel expressed surprise when he saw his boot episode. Ami and Tracey, two of the more aware players say that she appears sweetness and light but they feel something is off. However I doubt Ozzy, James and Amanda know this so they may not blame Cirie for their boot. I suspect Cirie will get more votes than Alexis though it will be close. This is due more to edgic than the clues. They are editing Alexis to be freaking doing nothing. They are leaving out scenes where she is busy forming alliances. It could be that the winning vote goes to Cirie because they think Alexis has done nothing strategically and this is what the editors are trying to show us. Probst hinted that the fans will want a fan to win and the favorites will want a favorite to win so if James, Ozzy and Amanda vote for Cirie (because they hate Parvati and she is the only other favorite) and Natalie, Jason and Erik vote for Alexis as a fan then the deciding vote who will place her vote on "I really respect strategy and I know Cirie is very strategic and Alexis hasn't shown any of it" would be Eliza. Of course this assumes Survivor Phoenix actually really does know who the winner is and hasn't got their spoiler wrong and that I interpret the clues correctly. Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/15/08 8:08 PM. Edited 3 times.
smokeitgood		#377	[-]
Posts: 4993 (03/15/08 8:04 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dear everyone, The only reason the Wicked thing is in the original image is because it was VG's avatar at the time. STOP ANALYZING IT. TYIA, SIG
AnneZob		#378	[-]
Posts: 12 (03/15/08 8:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	smokeitgood wrote: Dear everyone, The only reason the Wicked thing is in the original image is because it was VG's avatar at the time. STOP ANALYZING IT. TYIA, SIG And why exactly was it Survivor Phoenix's avatar at the time? Possibly because they knew this would be the theme of this season of survivor. It's not just the Wicked picture - it's also the obsessive use of green that is a repeated motif in the end of game spoilers they are presenting.
LKMOSCAR		#379	[-]
Posts: 1563 (03/15/08 8:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnneZob, you're a genius. However in that specific song, "Defying Gravity".............. She obtains the reputation of "Wicked" but the song is about HER NOT GIVING A DAMN ANY MORE AND DOING WHAT SHE HAS TO DO. This is what Cirie wrote in a blog about her time on Survior, and how she played: When I was "blessed" enough to be chosen for "Fans vs. Favorites", I promised myself that this time I was playing for my family, for my friends and for myself. Taking with me the "IMPORTANT LESSONS" I learned the last time around. When you are out there, you talk to everyone, you watch, you listen. You study your "Tribe" before you go out there. You remember EVERYTHING they did, every flip-flop, every back stabing and every "true" to their word alliance that was made and then you choose your "strategies". Love to ALL and BOTTOMS UP! Cirie The thing that really made a lightbulb go off in my head when you brought up the song that was chosen by SP and how it was the one where the Green Witch sang about doing what she needed to do, was that I remembered reading on Cirie's MySpace that she posted something about how she was going to do whatever she needed to do for her family, etc.. It all just came together for me! THANK YOU!
AnneZob		#380	[-]
Posts: 13 (03/15/08 8:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The thing that really made a lightbulb go off in my head when you brought up the song that was chosen by SP and how it was the one where the Green Witch sang about doing what she needed to do, was that I remembered reading on Cirie's MySpace that she posted something about how she was going to do whatever she needed to do for her family, etc.. It all just came together for me! THANK YOU! While I do appreciate the sentiment I think it's probably best not to make the winner choice by one piece of evidence alone... Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/15/08 8:40 PM. Edited 2 times.

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