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Kathy Fan 2		#4121	[-]
Posts: 4599 (05/03/08 9:55 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'd agree if it weren't for the confessional counts. Cirie is so far away ahead of everyone else's, it just makes you wonder WHY, if she's going to lose. I've accepted the likelihood of a Parvati win, but I'm seeing sense in other arguments, too.
GodIsAnAtheist		#4122	[-]
Posts: 3503 (05/03/08 9:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy Fan 2 wrote: I'd agree if it weren't for the confessional counts. Cirie is so far away ahead of everyone else's, it just makes you wonder WHY, if she's going to lose. I've accepted the likelihood of a Parvati win, but I'm seeing sense in other arguments, too. Didn't you do Edgic for a while? Confessionals mean jack shit. As long as the winner's count ends up being close to the average, that's all that's needed. The people who have the MOST confessionals usually don't win. If Cirie is way ahead of anyone else, then that's like putting a 5000-pound boulder on top of her coffin that already has 5,280 nails in it.
Kathy Fan 2		#4123	[-]
Posts: 4600 (05/03/08 10:02 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie's count is closer than Parvati/Amanda at this point to where Vecepia, Danni & Amber were. I realize that doesn't count as any type of proof or really mean anything at all. Just something that was pointed out.
GodIsAnAtheist		#4124	[-]
Posts: 3504 (05/03/08 10:06 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy Fan 2 wrote: Cirie's count is closer than Parvati/Amanda at this point to where Vecepia, Danni & Amber were. I realize that doesn't count as any type of proof or really mean anything at all. Just something that was pointed out. I think the counts will be a little off this season, especially since the women dominated this season and there ISN'T a Chris this time. I haven't checked the confessional count, but based on the course of the show and events have transpired, I'd find it hard to scrape together enough evidence to make a case for anyone that would even COMPETE with Parv's. It's just too overwhelming.
shoeless rye		#4125	[-]
Posts: 4971 (05/03/08 10:10 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I hate Alexis' reasoning for voting for the winner. You are not giving away a million dollars, you are voting for the best player of the game. Of course if Parvati does lie about her phony charity work in order to get Alexis' vote, then more power to her. Expecting somebody to "do good" with a million dollars is a stretch these days. I mean after taxes you're clearing $600,000 - now that is a lot of money, no doubt, but it's certainly not life changing money, and to expect somebody to give away half to some charity is ridiculous. Of course when somebody asks such a question you just lie and tell them what they want to hear. Last Edited By: shoeless rye 05/03/08 11:46 AM. Edited 1 times.
Relynn		#4126	[-]
Posts: 428 (05/03/08 11:18 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	shoeless rye wrote: I hate Alexis' reasoning for voting for the winner. You are not giving giving away a million dollars, you are voting for the best player of the game. Of course if Parvati does lie about her phony charity work in order to get Alexis' vote, then more power to her. Expecting somebody to "do good" with a million dollars is a stretch these days. I mean after taxes you're clearing $600,000 - now that is a lot of money, no doubt, but it's certainly not life changing money, and to expect somebody to give away half to some charity is ridiculous. Of course when somebody asks such a question you just lie and tell them what they want to hear. James made that comment after Alexis said it. He's like after Gas and taxes that money's not really a lot. I just hope Alexis doesn't regard Amanda wanting to invest in her business "selfish" because that would be ridiculous. And investing the money long term interests, could yield more money for charities in the future.
RobVanStratus		#4127	[-]
Posts: 6930 (05/03/08 11:43 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If they showed Cirie in on the plan to boot Alexis, for one that ruins the suspense and also it messes any gameplans the Favs have. Because Cirie appears to be playing the manipulation game on Erik/Natalie by voting with them. Because obviously if one of those two wins the Reward, they'll exile each other to get the idol if they are smart. Cirie is there to be their supposed 3rd vote and keep that idol from being used. Maybe even get them to send HER to get the idol and put it on the Favs side. If they show Cirie and Parv on the side of Amanda, it ruins suspense. But by showing Parvati betraying Alexis and Cirie being loyal, at least as far as they know, gives us more support for a Cirie win. Alexis will vote for her over the backstabber Parvati and Amanda who idoled her out. Then Erik might vote Amanda, but then Natalie gets betrayed by Parvati first and Cirie as well, but Parvati's hurts much more because Cirie was a last minute plan and she planned to ditch her for Erik/Alexis in the F3. Cirie still has good chances to win. Parvati DOES NOT. She is far too negative and the jury HATES her. And it's not like Allstars or Thailand where she has someone just as hated against her in a Clay or a Mariano, she's got NOTHING.
survivorready		#4128	[-]
Posts: 201 (05/03/08 11:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	TDB S18 Winner wrote: Episode 12: Cirie: 32 confessionals Parvati: 19 confessionals Amanda: 16 confessionals I have such a hard time believing this. I never really thought about the real number, but I am sure to the average viewer that Parvati and Cirie might have the same number of confessionals. I mean, how could Parvati just have 3 more confessionals than Amanda?? I am sure who ever checked this is a Cirie fan. And even it is true, keep in mind that Parvati didn't go to Tribal council 4 times in a row. Also, look at all the winner quotes Parvati has had since Epiosde one. Even in the last episode: "I am looking towards the end of this game right now".... I am going to say that Parvati does win.
CSCin3D		#4129	[-]
Posts: 8056 (05/03/08 11:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Umm actually only Ozzy truly hates her. Jason and Eliza both said they respected her game in post-game interviews. Granted Eliza would deffo vote for Cirie in a F3 (but would vote for Parv over Amanda), but Jason doesn't seem the type to want a fat do-nothing win. Alexis will be pissed at Amanda for "lying" and Parvati works for a charity. We don't know where she stands with Cirie. Erik will be pissed at Amanda for trying to guilt-trip him, and Natalie is close to Parvati. She has a great chance at winning the final vote.
survivorready		#4130	[-]
Posts: 202 (05/03/08 12:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	RobVanStratus wrote: If they showed Cirie in on the plan to boot Alexis, for one that ruins the suspense and also it messes any gameplans the Favs have. Because Cirie appears to be playing the manipulation game on Erik/Natalie by voting with them. Because obviously if one of those two wins the Reward, they'll exile each other to get the idol if they are smart. Cirie is there to be their supposed 3rd vote and keep that idol from being used. Maybe even get them to send HER to get the idol and put it on the Favs side. If they show Cirie and Parv on the side of Amanda, it ruins suspense. But by showing Parvati betraying Alexis and Cirie being loyal, at least as far as they know, gives us more support for a Cirie win. Alexis will vote for her over the backstabber Parvati and Amanda who idoled her out. Then Erik might vote Amanda, but then Natalie gets betrayed by Parvati first and Cirie as well, but Parvati's hurts much more because Cirie was a last minute plan and she planned to ditch her for Erik/Alexis in the F3. Cirie still has good chances to win. Parvati DOES NOT. She is far too negative and the jury HATES her. And it's not like Allstars or Thailand where she has someone just as hated against her in a Clay or a Mariano, she's got NOTHING. Well, I don't know what the intention was of the editors to show Cirie NOT included in the plan for Amanda to use the HII, but I watched the episode with a couple of people who don't read spoilers. And they all felt like Cirie (along with Alexis, Erik, and Natalie) were FOOLED by Amanda and Parvati. Cirie's intentions might have been not to piss of the fans, but the editors didn't care.The editors made it out to be that Cirie was selfish and didn't stick with her long time ally, Amanda. And in the end Amanda/Parvati outwitted the other 4. It looked like Amanda was the underdog being beaten by C/A/N/E.
GrenadeJumper85		#4131	[-]
Posts: 4551 (05/03/08 12:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I mean, how could Parvati just have 3 more confessionals than Amanda?? I am sure who ever checked this is a Cirie fan Uuuh, no. ILuvTijuana does an excellent job of keeping a tally of the number of confessionals for each episode, every season in the speculation forum. Looking at the confessional tally is quite interesting. A Parvati win stills seems weird because of her neglect she received for what was about 4-5 episodes during the pre-merge stage. We haven't had a winner neglected for that much time, even Danni had something.
survivorready		#4132	[-]
Posts: 203 (05/03/08 12:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Uuuh, no. ILuvTijuana does an excellent job of keeping a tally of the number of confessionals for each episode, every season in the speculation forum. Looking at the confessional tally is quite interesting. A Parvati win stills seems weird because of her neglect she received for what was about 4-5 episodes during the pre-merge stage. We haven't had a winner neglected for that much time, even Danni had something. There were 4 episodes were Parvati's tribe didn't go to tribal. Even then, Parvati had a confessional where she was talking about strategy and how "everyone is dead" to her. That is definitely a winners quote.
Relynn		#4133	[-]
Posts: 433 (05/03/08 12:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	survivorready wrote: GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Uuuh, no. ILuvTijuana does an excellent job of keeping a tally of the number of confessionals for each episode, every season in the speculation forum. Looking at the confessional tally is quite interesting. A Parvati win stills seems weird because of her neglect she received for what was about 4-5 episodes during the pre-merge stage. We haven't had a winner neglected for that much time, even Danni had something. There were 4 episodes were Parvati's tribe didn't go to tribal. Even then, Parvati had a confessional where she was talking about strategy and how "everyone is dead" to her. That is definitely a winners quote. I wouldn't call that necessarily a winner's quote...And well it was only one episode... Parvati is definetly edited as controlling this tribe. BUT, I wanted to point out something interesting. Maybe this conversation was edited in for a reason: eliza--people are overestimating their own social game jp--ozzy--so keep around someone who is bad ozzy--you take the one that everyone hates and keep them james--yeah, that's the way eliza--I'm liked pov--you told me that you were loyal after trying to vote me out, are you kidding me eliza--that's not true talking talking talking bickering pov--I can't sit here and be quiet eliza--I got myself into this mess, everyone here can win a million, are you going to make the same mistake again, take someone they don't like with you
GrenadeJumper85		#4134	[-]
Posts: 4552 (05/03/08 12:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	There were 4 episodes were Parvati's tribe didn't go to tribal. Even then, Parvati had a confessional where she was talking about strategy and how "everyone is dead" to her. That is definitely a winners quote. Not really. Tom, Todd, and Yul were all on the dominant tribe's pre-merge, yet they were on the radar and never slipped into oblivion for 4-5 episodes straight. As for her confessionals, most if not all of her confessionals were fluff about camp life or winning a challenge, nothing of any substance. And her "everyone is dead to me" is far from a winning quote.
Relynn		#4135	[-]
Posts: 436 (05/03/08 12:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The point I was making in my above post is if Parvati loses, it's because Parvarti isn't cutthroat enough. Maybe, the reason they are editing Natalie as so evil is so that she is presented as the "perfect goat" so to speak. But in Final 4 Parvati sides with Cirie/Amanda and boots Natalie, sealing her own doom, becasue she took someone "likeable to the end." Or maybe Cirie is evne presented as less likeable this time, for the same kind of feeling (even though it's not true) So this would be why Parvati is presented in the light she is. A Gamer, whose controlling the game and backstabbing people, but someone who can't bring herself to backstab the one person she should have backstabbed her "little sister." Who knows. Which is why Parvati isn't getting well the Stephanie edit.
Katy Carney		#4136	[-]
Posts: 1035 (05/03/08 12:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The confessional count thing is like the last glimmer of hope for Cirie fans. Parvati's confessionals are all about the game and her strategy and the end of the game and seeing the big picture. Cirie's confessionals are like "James hurt his finger!" Amanda has more relevent game-related confessionals than she does, especially post-merge.
chapera rocks		#4137	[-]
Posts: 8861 (05/03/08 12:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Didn't you do Edgic for a while? Confessionals mean jack shit. As long as the winner's count ends up being close to the average, that's all that's needed. The people who have the MOST confessionals usually don't win. If Cirie is way ahead of anyone else, then that's like putting a 5000-pound boulder on top of her coffin that already has 5,280 nails in it. Uh, Todd much? Earl Much? Yul much? The last 3 winners. But besides that, Parvati/Amanda are no where near the average. Not even close. And the fact that Vee and Danni were actually boring explains their low count... but Parvati is not, so why is she being ignored? And regarding strategy, Cirie has had a ton: 1 - About how she feels vulnerable 2 - The couples thing + the HII thing 3 - All strategy about which side to pick (If I don't trust you, then you can't trust me) 4 - About Jonathan being upset 5 - All strategy on how to save Chet because she would be targeted for being weak 6 - None 7 - All over the place, from funny with Erik/Ozzy to strategy about getting Erik out 8 - Keep Ami or keep Erik? About trust etc. 9 - Fluff 10 - All about taking Ozzy out 11 - fluff 12 - Personal growth, strategy with Amanda. So it's ridiculous to say she's not getting strategy confessionals. <_< The fact that Parvati only got 2 this past episode is another mark against her. She's not.getting.the.face-time. Which is why I'm leaning towards a Cirie win right now. Though everything in interviews contradicts that, but the editing supports it.
GrenadeJumper85		#4138	[-]
Posts: 4554 (05/03/08 12:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie's confessionals are like "James hurt his finger!" Uhm, huh? Cirie's confessionals have been all about strategy from day one. She's gotten the reflective, personal confessionals about herself, as well as her confessional during the merge episode about how she accurately setup the change in dynamics within the tribe at that point and the change in the game. She's always been portrayed in her confessionals always knowing where the dynamics can potentially float as well as being self-reflective, something most winners always have. I personally loved her confessional last episode about how she's grown to not see everything as being a threat. Now that's a quality winners quote right there.
Katy Carney		#4139	[-]
Posts: 1037 (05/03/08 12:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Her story is short-term though. It's episodic. When she has strategy confessionals it's all about the moment, not the overall aspect of the game. She doesn't have a storyline.
Heliox		#4140	[-]
Posts: 595 (05/03/08 1:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I tend to agree with Amanda cannot win through editing. There were just too many comments about her being a jury threat. They wouldn't make it THAT obvious. It's likely they showed it because she misses the finals. I think this might be a misleading edit as most viewers know that she blew the Survivor China final TC. By reminding the viewers of that fact, it might set her up as the surprise and 'deserving' win if she redeems herself by having a more effective final TC. Also, based on Amanda's demeanor at the China Finale in L.A., I thought (and others on this board observed) there was no way she just came back from Micronesia having done well. Now, after seeing her brilliant performance and lie that she pulled off at last TC, I think she was performing the same way at the China Finale to make us all believe she did not have a good experience in Micronesia. I really don't want to see Amanda win, could you imagine that if she did she would be touted at arguably the best survivor player ever! Making it to the end in 2 seasons.

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