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astroline |
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You did, KP? I never noticed lol. When? I apologize.
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Episode 1. I was Tracy's watchdog, remember?
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cyclehausen |
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What appeared to be a close-up of the bow of the boat was really her nipple. |
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fat little fingers |
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I will be shocked if it's a final 2. Shocked and appalled! Lol. Wow, I gotta watch my words around here. No prediction folks, just a nod to the fact that the winner is hard to predict through "logic of the story". That's why we do Edgic, because to do otherwise is to be lead down the garden path by the eds. After the merge, it's probably best to put winner predicting on auto pilot. These last eps will just play with our heads, because we're reacting to them scene by scene, ep to ep. (eg., "omg! Parvati just laid on the beach, while Amanda, Cirie, etc. were brilliant! It's gotta be Cirie or Amanda! Parvati really screwed up with such loser behavior!" yada-yada.) 8) The ending is typically set up to be a somewhat of a 'surprise'. You either don't expect the winner or second place to be there. These two are often manipulated in the editing to make each look like they have a chance to win. "...often manipulated in the editing to make each look like they have a chance to win.", is my point, not whether its f-3, f-2 or whatever. "known pair" seems pretty antiquated now, too. China gave us a known f-3 that held from the moment Todd told Amanda (ep2) that Courtney would be a perfect goat to take to the end. |
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scepticA |
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That's why we do Edgic, because to do otherwise is to be lead down the garden path by the eds. After the merge, it's probably best to put winner predicting on auto pilot. These last eps will just play with our heads, because we're reacting to them scene by scene, ep to ep. (eg., "omg! Parvati just laid on the beach, while Amanda, Cirie, etc. were brilliant! It's gotta be Cirie or Amanda! Parvati really screwed up with such loser behavior!" yada-yada.)Yup, and yup. That's why I've always said that Parv is my edgic choice. (Then again, that's why I said Amanda was my edit choice, sigh - I even included the "sigh" near the end of S15.) One thing I dislike about 8) above is its vagueness. It's somewhat of a surprise, that either winner or second might not be there, and it's often shown that they have a chance to win... but it's often showed that they don't. Right now, I expect Cirie to leave in F4, for her (alas!) the same place as in her first iteration, and likely for the same reason - she'd be unbeatable. Parv's edit follows the edgic rules better - simple as that. The grating, chewing-on-foil aspect to Parv is: Her game, as shown, wasn't as good as Cirie's, or even Amanda's. Yeah, she was lying on the beach! Not trying to find the idol! OMG! The problem with her is that it really wasn't the wisest thing to say or do. The fact that it didn't bite her in the butt is obvious, but at the time she didn't know that. But no denying that edgically she's the better of Cirie. (and the argument about the poor confessional count for Parv is pretty specious: they started with 20, she was on the more dominant tribe, so they didn't need to show her... First, A) not every winner is on a dominant tribe, and once you get through 4 eps the counts should go up anyway - and they didn't, and B) we grant a very very poor number for Parv in this category but don't give the same weight to lower visibility numbers for Amanda... they started with 20, they didn't need to show her all that much... If you're going to give someone a break for lack of significant #s due to rationalizations like "start with 20," "not on dominant tribe," you should really extend that same rationalization across the board to others. Nobody seems to want to do that. The confessionals (lack thereof) worry me. The long stretch of UTR worries me. But even with these, her edgic #s are the best. B: Parv H: Cirie G: Parv |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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Warrior, I'll PM you but I would wager what you're thinking. Look at the end of China - same supposition, F3 was the result.
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AllMenAreIslands |
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If Cirie doesn't face the jury, then all the other F4 girls have low confessional counts. It's Cirie's that is SO high.
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OnlyTheHunter |
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Changed my mind, here's what I'll do. There's no inside info I have but I think I know what Warrior is thinking.
Highlight below to see what I think. Don't if you don't wanna go there. I think it's simply something we saw before. The preview said "Three Tribal Councils". Remember, so did China's, and we speculated on that. There were three, Denise in the first, F3 faces the jury in the second, and Probst read the results live at the "third" TC. 3 TC's. F3 intact. That's how it works. No surprises here. I wondered at first then recalled last season. Michael |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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I also get to repost something I wrote before China's finale. Reprinted here. Bonus points to francois if he responds the same way again. :-)
I end up posting this every season, and since we have a lot of new Edgicers, please note the following -
When rating the finale episode, you rate the players' edit only to the time they are in the game. That means you only edit Eliza until she is voted out, you don't count her performance as a jury member in her ranking. Earl would be rated based on the entire finale, Boo only until he goes. Michael |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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The problem with booting Cirie at four is that there's absolutely no build-up to it. We have Amanda being unbeatable in the final 3 and now Natalie is
unbeatable in the final 3. Neither Cirie, nor Parvati has been brought up as someone who needs to be voted out. The last time either of them was a realistic
target was before the merge.
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BlakeB717 |
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I think we're making way too big a deal out of the confessional counts. We have to realize that Cirie went to all but 2 Tribal Councils this season. Amanda
did too, but she her edit sucked in the first half and had no substance because of the lack of confessionals. Parvati went to only 2 Tribal Councils
pre-merger, and when you don't go to TC (and someone quits) in that same episode, it's hard to get a meaningful confessional in because the story is
focused on the quitter, the the strategy or the end-game. The editors have to work with the material that they've got. The fact is that on the
Favourite's tribe, Parvati got meaningful edit and confessionals, and as soon as the quitting was over, Parvati started getting a lot more confessionals
with a lot more meaning. This persisted in the merger and even her confessional in the penultimate episode had end-game and strategic meaning for herself.
Also, Cirie is also someone who gives great confessionals. Parvati isn't exactly amazing; imagine the type she's giving. The fact that they've
shown such meaningful confessionals for her shows that they're choosing those rather than the ditzy ones.
Parvati has been the only player with consistant end-game focus and we've known she'd be in the end for a while now. People you know will go far are people who usually win. We knew Todd, Earl, Yul, and Aras would all make it far before the merger. They all won. Did we know that Amanda, Courtney, Dreamz, Cassandra, Ozzy, Becky, and Danielle would all be in the Finals pre-merger? No, we did not. They all lost. We've known Parvati will make the Finals before the merger happened. We have not had that same thought pre-merger for Amanda, Natalie, or Cirie. Parvati has shown change and has used what many people considered her weakness (flirtation) and has turned it into an advantage and has deviously eliminated those that she's strung along via flirtation. Why show Parvati like this if she loses in the end? If she lost, wouldn't she be someone who gets dumb confessionals and just betrays people because she's stupid and makes bad decisions. She's been shown as a power player yet is out of the central drama this entire game. My point is that there has been no reason to edit Parvati the way she has been editted if she loses. They've cooled off on her "losing they jury vote" story line for a while now. She took out Eliza, and Ozzy (whom was shown as being Cirie's fault in that episode as well) and pissed off James, but Alexis was shown as Amanda's fault, Jason was shown as Natalie's fault, and Erik was shown as everyone but Parvati's fault. We're starting to forget all the bad she did to the jurors, except Ozzy who has been emphasized over and over at Tribal Council. Parvati's main force against her on the jury has clearly been Ozzy, from the sharp music he's given with a facial reaction every time she says something to it being revealed that she betrayed him by James. The audience is going to think "Parvati can't win, Ozzy hates her!" because Ozzy has been such a big character this season. The fact is, if Amanda is in the finals, Ozzy's voting for her. So doing all this against Parvati just adds doubt to her to the audience, because his vote is obvious anyways. They want a surprise. I'm going to rewatch the penultimate episode now, but for now, Parvati wins. |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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I'm staying up, killing a quiet night at home, reading the China Edgic thread. Just after the finale, ProbstFan posted the great sentiment -
Didn't everyone say after Guatemala that edgic doesn't work with returning players. So what are the implications for next season? Well, school is almost out. Grade reports due tomorrow about 10.03pm EST on Sunday. I had to go alone to the homecoming dance, but at least I can ogle chicks again. I hope we get an "A". Michael |
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Jenny du Jour |
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Tom went to 8 tribal councils total (1 premerge) and got 58 confessionals total. Yul went to 9 (3 premerge) and got 47. Parvati's been to 7 so far (2
premerge) and it's still in the mid-20s?
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Survivor Boy |
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It'll be interesting to see what happens tomorrow... I can't wait.
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BlakeB717 |
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Tom went to 8 tribal councils total (1 premerge) and got 58 confessionals total. Yul went to 9 (3 premerge) and got 47. Parvati's been to 7 so far (2 premerge) and it's still in the mid-20s?-No one quit on Koror when they won IC (TWO quit Parvati's tribe when they won IC meaning they only had the first 30 minutes to get any airtime) -Tom was in a regular season (All star seasons, airtime is more spread out) -Palau was full of UTRs and non-entities (All Stars has lots of big personalities that are getting the focus) -Tom has a penis (Parvati has a vagina) -All of the above apply to Yul as well (plus 4 tribes in the first two episodes, easier focus on those who went the distance or went fairly quick) |
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Jenny du Jour |
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Fine, then look at Danni, 41 by season's end, surrounded by two OTT returning players.
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Relynn |
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Jenny du Jour wrote: That could be exactly the case with Amanda (if she's our winner) Parv/Cirie are much more interesting characters. Although in the case of Stephanie,
she was such a beloved character in Palau, that they probably felt the need to over the top explain why she loses.
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MasterDarkNinja |
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I don't really have the time to post my ratings and explanations, but here's the updated strategy chart after this episode.
I decided to go with a triple - for Erik, giving him his own custom rating for sheer strategic stupidity. Even without giving up his immunity necklace he probably had enough - scenes throughout the episode to be a --, but then he did something that'll leave everyone remembering him as an idiot for years to come. In fact I decided that even though he had no previous - or + episodes (or even debatable + or - ones) to give him a - overall rating anyway from how - he was this episode. |
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chaperone |
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Don't forget to get your votes in by tomorrow afternoon for Thursday's episode. I'll switch over the voting site to be for the
finale before the finale starts for you East Coasters (5PM Pacific).
Edited to make font one size smaller... :) |
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AnneZob |
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Removed because probably too speculative...
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05/11/08 2:43 AM.
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