Yeah, Dreamz had connections to Rocky as them being rivals, Lisi hated his guts, he voted out Michelle because they didn't know each other well,
Edgardo/Mookie/Alex werehis buddies who he betrayed. He screwed Yau-Man out of the car and put the wheels in motion for Yau to idol out Stacy. Not good jury
connections.
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Posts: 22 (05/11/08 4:11 PM) Registered user |
Lack of jury ties could go either way for Cirie. If she's the winner, and it's because everyone loves her, then of course she wasn't shown as
having tons of ties, because then her win would be obvious. If she doesn't win, well, the lack of ties was because she doesn't get enough (or any)
votes. I'm leaning towards it being bad for her chances, though.
I'm beginning to think that the fire-starting comment was key. No way MB would let the winner of Survivor be determined solely by a fire-starting competition on live television. Cirie either wins one or suffers the same horrible fate that befell her on Exile. Parvati was also included in that exchange, but I have a hard time seeing her in a fire-starting challenge at F4. If Natalie wins IC, she and Cirie are voting Amanda. And remember that "fire is your life"--focus on Cirie--in the first TC. Yep, she'll be in a fire-making challenge. Please, let it end better for her. |
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Posts: 23 (05/11/08 4:15 PM) Registered user |
Catching up on some past remarks here:
On the focus on Parvati's fat lip: I always assumed they did it because it made her kinda' look like Angelina Jolie. On the lack of focus on Cirie's family: If the theory is that Cirie's being over-exposed because she loses, but MB wants her to win the viewer prize, then why wouldn't they show some touching scenes of her talking about her family, or strategizing with HB? I'm leaning more to it just being irrelevant--a lot of time was eaten up in the family-visit episode by Amanda's saga re the HII. |
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Posts: 1009 (05/11/08 4:25 PM) Registered user |
"On jury connections - I can't remember Earl having any jury connections other then Yau-Man"Then you shouldn't rely on your memory: Rocky and Mookie respected Earl so much that they had consulted him for the Ravu boots. Michelle said her game was being Earl's spy and that it was funny how everyone hated the merge beach except herself and Earl. Boo said he knew he had to talk to Earl to go further and even Alex said Earl was the only one who could think 2 or 3 moves ahead when he tried to save himself. As far as comparing Cirie to Todd, Parvati to Amanda and Natalie to Courtney all I have to say is: Different Seasons, Different Themes. |
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Posts: 23735 (05/11/08 4:26 PM) Registered user |
GelEGuy2 wrote: I thought about that, actually, and decided that the idea was to sell Cirie on her gameplay, which for some reason the Jury didn't give enough weight to
(or she did a poor job of standing up for herself at the FTC).
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Posts: 153 (05/11/08 4:43 PM) Registered User |
LOL.... I thought they downplayed it because of her t-shirt....
we saw her family nearly every bloody show in the first 6 episodes!! 
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Posts: 23738 (05/11/08 4:56 PM) Registered user |
Really? I totally didn't notice.
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Posts: 154 (05/11/08 5:21 PM) Registered User |
yeah... i just tried to find a vid cap from early on, but i wasn't capping regularly then, so i got nothing.... and
i hate youtube....it's search features suck. Anyway... it's a blue t-shirt with her family's picture printed on the front. The image I wanted to
show you was from the intro Episode... she's wearing it when she says she doesn't know what her plan is...except for anyone but her.
Oh... wait, I found one...it's from the E3 RC.... 
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Posts: 8893 (05/11/08 5:28 PM) Registered User |
The first episode is huge, though. Some people believe the first episode and the merge episode are really the only two important episodes anyway.Which is ridiculous, IMO. How could a good first ep and good merge ep negate 6-8 very poor eps? Besides: For premieres: - Tina had an INV1 in the premiere - Vee was pretty low key - Brian was very low key - Amber was very low key - Danni was very low key - Aras was low key That is 6/15. 40% is a pretty large margin of error. For merge eps: - Ethan had no confessionals and barely escaped INV1 - Vecepia had no confessionals and barely escaped INV1 - Jenna was pretty low key - Amber had a cool down, but was still important Less people, but still, nothing solid. Oh, and supposedly switch episodes were supposed to be big, right? - No switch in S1/S2 - Ethan's was huge - Vee's was one of her biggest episode's (not much, but still) - No Switch in S5 - Jenna's was huge - No switch in PI - Amber's switch was huge - Chris' was weak - No switch in Palau - Danni's was weak - Aras' was weak - Yul's was decent - Earl's was huge - Todd's was decent So out of the 10 switch episodes, 8 of the winners had something of substance. Only Aras and Danni had a truly weak episode. Cirie's switch ep was strong, heck, even Amanda's was. Not Parvati.
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Posts: 1127 (05/11/08 5:37 PM) Registered User |
- Jenna was pretty low keyAre you sure? (PB, chocolate) - Vecepia had no confessionals and barely escaped INV1Vee had no VF period (no confessionals or sentences). Her INV escape was due to SPV, and even that was questionable
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Posts: 8894 (05/11/08 5:39 PM) Registered User |
She had one confessional (a joint one with Heidi at that) about PB & J. The rest of the episode, she wasn't really featured at all.
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Posts: 1128 (05/11/08 5:43 PM) Registered User |
I know, I just wouldn't call the PB thing low key. She did get an OTT rating.
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Posts: 23739 (05/11/08 5:44 PM) Registered user |
Thanks, Phoenix. I didn't look very closely at her shirt, I guess.
Merge eps & swap eps - they can be big but it depends obviously on the story. Is it the coming together with new people that's important, or the fact that it takes a bit of time for things to settle? Is it the reunion with old friends, or meeting up with new people that is most important? Parvati had a good ep just prior to the merge, when she was shown making the alliance with Natalie in the absence of Amanda and Alexis. And Parv wasn't ignored in the merge either, having a reunion with Amanda (unless I'm forgetting something.) We can't know whether we need to tweak anything until we know the outcome. |
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Posts: 5519 (05/11/08 6:12 PM) Registered User |
Connection to the jury is also another way of saying SPV. Lack of SPV was pointed out as Amanda's big fault in China.
The winner needs at least a little SPV and a confessional or two that gives some insight to their take on the game and their relation to the win. A season can hit us over the head like Earl or Todd, or they can be much more obtuse like Aras. And I'm talking before the merge. Parvati falls somewhere in between Aras and Todd. Aras had his winner connection spelled out by Nick in an Ep1 SPV that told us Aras had "grand" ideas, but Nick didn't know how he was going to pull it off. Todd, of course, gushed about how badly he wanted to win in his ep1 confessional. Parvati spells out her intentions right off the bat, but by Ep2, she has gone into UTR mode. re: "Different rules for female winners": The rules are the same, but the visibility is usually much lower for a female winner. "Why" can be debated, but the stats are there. |
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Posts: 2772 (05/11/08 6:18 PM) Registered User |
Edgic doesn't end at the merge, but by then you should have a pretty good idea of who wins, because post-merge is primarily a lot of smoke and mirrors to mask the winner; much more than the pre-merge is, anyway. For those who ask why Parvati was the pre-merge pick with her rather weak-looking stats, it's mostly in the first episode (and in the first segment). A brilliant game-long setup that overtly ties into the seasonal theme. Her Episode 3, despite being a lackluster MOR3, was also very good for her with the setup of a boot target (even though she had no chance of leaving) and the projection of her as a player. Her UTR string was definitely worrying, but I think that first episode, and to a lesser degree, the third episode, built the foundation of her edit that the majority decided to support. But on the other hand, if Parvati loses I think we'll have fallen for a second Alexis. A strong first episode that ties into the seasonal themes with game-long comments, but followed by a weaker pre-merge edit that we ignored because we could always fall back on the first episode. Do I think this will be the case? Not at all. But a great first episode may have blinded us from a weak pre-merge edit. |
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Posts: 5520 (05/11/08 6:31 PM) Registered User |
if Parvati loses I think we'll have fallen for a second Alexis. But, unlike Alexis, Parvati had a story, SPV, and most importantly, she makes end-game strategy comments in both Eps 3&4 and restates that she is playing to win in Ep8.
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Posts: 2489 (05/11/08 6:50 PM) Registered User |
Voting site update
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Posts: 1494 (05/11/08 6:52 PM) Registered user |
Whoever wins out of Parvati and Cirie and thinks its safe to say the editors did their job of misdirection. Everyone, aside from people at sucks, think Amanda
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Posts: 902 (05/11/08 6:55 PM) Registered user |
Bring it home for edgic PARV!
I won't be commenting or anything until after the West Coast viewing, since I'm not going to watch the East Coast airing on sattelite tonight. *crosses fingers* I so-o want to laugh at the anti-Parv edgicians!! (although my last minute gut is saying Cirie wins, but she won't!) Enjoy tonight, all!!1 |
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Posts: 5201 (05/11/08 7:40 PM) Registered User |
Whoa maybe there is a final 2?
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