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GelEGuy2		#4861	[-]
Posts: 23 (05/11/08 3:15 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Catching up on some past remarks here: On the focus on Parvati's fat lip: I always assumed they did it because it made her kinda' look like Angelina Jolie. On the lack of focus on Cirie's family: If the theory is that Cirie's being over-exposed because she loses, but MB wants her to win the viewer prize, then why wouldn't they show some touching scenes of her talking about her family, or strategizing with HB? I'm leaning more to it just being irrelevant--a lot of time was eaten up in the family-visit episode by Amanda's saga re the HII.
panurge46		#4862	[-]
Posts: 1009 (05/11/08 3:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"On jury connections - I can't remember Earl having any jury connections other then Yau-Man" Then you shouldn't rely on your memory: Rocky and Mookie respected Earl so much that they had consulted him for the Ravu boots. Michelle said her game was being Earl's spy and that it was funny how everyone hated the merge beach except herself and Earl. Boo said he knew he had to talk to Earl to go further and even Alex said Earl was the only one who could think 2 or 3 moves ahead when he tried to save himself. As far as comparing Cirie to Todd, Parvati to Amanda and Natalie to Courtney all I have to say is: Different Seasons, Different Themes.
AllMenAreIslands		#4863	[-]
Posts: 23735 (05/11/08 3:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GelEGuy2 wrote: On the lack of focus on Cirie's family: If the theory is that Cirie's being over-exposed because she loses, but MB wants her to win the viewer prize, then why wouldn't they show some touching scenes of her talking about her family, or strategizing with HB? I'm leaning more to it just being irrelevant--a lot of time was eaten up in the family-visit episode by Amanda's saga re the HII. I thought about that, actually, and decided that the idea was to sell Cirie on her gameplay, which for some reason the Jury didn't give enough weight to (or she did a poor job of standing up for herself at the FTC).
Phoenix1269		#4864	[-]
Posts: 153 (05/11/08 3:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LOL.... I thought they downplayed it because of her t-shirt.... we saw her family nearly every bloody show in the first 6 episodes!!
AllMenAreIslands		#4865	[-]
Posts: 23738 (05/11/08 3:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Really? I totally didn't notice.
Phoenix1269		#4866	[-]
Posts: 154 (05/11/08 4:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	yeah... i just tried to find a vid cap from early on, but i wasn't capping regularly then, so i got nothing.... and i hate youtube....it's search features suck. Anyway... it's a blue t-shirt with her family's picture printed on the front. The image I wanted to show you was from the intro Episode... she's wearing it when she says she doesn't know what her plan is...except for anyone but her. Oh... wait, I found one...it's from the E3 RC....
chapera rocks		#4867	[-]
Posts: 8893 (05/11/08 4:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The first episode is huge, though. Some people believe the first episode and the merge episode are really the only two important episodes anyway. Which is ridiculous, IMO. How could a good first ep and good merge ep negate 6-8 very poor eps? Besides: For premieres: - Tina had an INV1 in the premiere - Vee was pretty low key - Brian was very low key - Amber was very low key - Danni was very low key - Aras was low key That is 6/15. 40% is a pretty large margin of error. For merge eps: - Ethan had no confessionals and barely escaped INV1 - Vecepia had no confessionals and barely escaped INV1 - Jenna was pretty low key - Amber had a cool down, but was still important Less people, but still, nothing solid. Oh, and supposedly switch episodes were supposed to be big, right? - No switch in S1/S2 - Ethan's was huge - Vee's was one of her biggest episode's (not much, but still) - No Switch in S5 - Jenna's was huge - No switch in PI - Amber's switch was huge - Chris' was weak - No switch in Palau - Danni's was weak - Aras' was weak - Yul's was decent - Earl's was huge - Todd's was decent So out of the 10 switch episodes, 8 of the winners had something of substance. Only Aras and Danni had a truly weak episode. Cirie's switch ep was strong, heck, even Amanda's was. Not Parvati. Last Edited By: chapera rocks 05/11/08 4:34 PM. Edited 1 times.
cantthinkofaname		#4868	[-]
Posts: 1127 (05/11/08 4:37 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	- Jenna was pretty low key Are you sure? (PB, chocolate) - Vecepia had no confessionals and barely escaped INV1 Vee had no VF period (no confessionals or sentences). Her INV escape was due to SPV, and even that was questionable Last Edited By: cantthinkofaname 05/11/08 4:40 PM. Edited 1 times.
chapera rocks		#4869	[-]
Posts: 8894 (05/11/08 4:39 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She had one confessional (a joint one with Heidi at that) about PB & J. The rest of the episode, she wasn't really featured at all.
cantthinkofaname		#4870	[-]
Posts: 1128 (05/11/08 4:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I know, I just wouldn't call the PB thing low key. She did get an OTT rating. (I was just kidding around)
AllMenAreIslands		#4871	[-]
Posts: 23739 (05/11/08 4:44 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thanks, Phoenix. I didn't look very closely at her shirt, I guess. Merge eps & swap eps - they can be big but it depends obviously on the story. Is it the coming together with new people that's important, or the fact that it takes a bit of time for things to settle? Is it the reunion with old friends, or meeting up with new people that is most important? Parvati had a good ep just prior to the merge, when she was shown making the alliance with Natalie in the absence of Amanda and Alexis. And Parv wasn't ignored in the merge either, having a reunion with Amanda (unless I'm forgetting something.) We can't know whether we need to tweak anything until we know the outcome.
fat little fingers		#4872	[-]
Posts: 5519 (05/11/08 5:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Connection to the jury is also another way of saying SPV. Lack of SPV was pointed out as Amanda's big fault in China. The winner needs at least a little SPV and a confessional or two that gives some insight to their take on the game and their relation to the win. A season can hit us over the head like Earl or Todd, or they can be much more obtuse like Aras. And I'm talking before the merge. Parvati falls somewhere in between Aras and Todd. Aras had his winner connection spelled out by Nick in an Ep1 SPV that told us Aras had "grand" ideas, but Nick didn't know how he was going to pull it off. Todd, of course, gushed about how badly he wanted to win in his ep1 confessional. Parvati spells out her intentions right off the bat, but by Ep2, she has gone into UTR mode. re: "Different rules for female winners": The rules are the same, but the visibility is usually much lower for a female winner. "Why" can be debated, but the stats are there.
unduli clone		#4873	[-]
Posts: 2772 (05/11/08 5:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Edgic doesn't end at the merge, but by then you should have a pretty good idea of who wins, because post-merge is primarily a lot of smoke and mirrors to mask the winner; much more than the pre-merge is, anyway. For those who ask why Parvati was the pre-merge pick with her rather weak-looking stats, it's mostly in the first episode (and in the first segment). A brilliant game-long setup that overtly ties into the seasonal theme. Her Episode 3, despite being a lackluster MOR3, was also very good for her with the setup of a boot target (even though she had no chance of leaving) and the projection of her as a player. Her UTR string was definitely worrying, but I think that first episode, and to a lesser degree, the third episode, built the foundation of her edit that the majority decided to support. But on the other hand, if Parvati loses I think we'll have fallen for a second Alexis. A strong first episode that ties into the seasonal themes with game-long comments, but followed by a weaker pre-merge edit that we ignored because we could always fall back on the first episode. Do I think this will be the case? Not at all. But a great first episode may have blinded us from a weak pre-merge edit.
fat little fingers		#4874	[-]
Posts: 5520 (05/11/08 5:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	if Parvati loses I think we'll have fallen for a second Alexis. But, unlike Alexis, Parvati had a story, SPV, and most importantly, she makes end-game strategy comments in both Eps 3&4 and restates that she is playing to win in Ep8. Last Edited By: fat little fingers 05/11/08 5:34 PM. Edited 1 times.
chaperone		#4875	[-]
Posts: 2489 (05/11/08 5:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Voting site update Voting for the previous epsiode is closed and voting for the finale is now open. I'll try to get to the tally itself for the last episode in the next hour, but I may not get to it until late tonight/tomorrow.
chad6		#4876	[-]
Posts: 1494 (05/11/08 5:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Whoever wins out of Parvati and Cirie and thinks its safe to say the editors did their job of misdirection. Everyone, aside from people at sucks, think Amanda is going to win.
BlakeB717		#4877	[-]
Posts: 902 (05/11/08 5:55 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bring it home for edgic PARV! I won't be commenting or anything until after the West Coast viewing, since I'm not going to watch the East Coast airing on sattelite tonight. crosses fingers I so-o want to laugh at the anti-Parv edgicians!! (although my last minute gut is saying Cirie wins, but she won't!) Enjoy tonight, all!!1
Survivor Boy		#4878	[-]
Posts: 5201 (05/11/08 6:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Whoa maybe there is a final 2? I'm confused...
chaperone		#4879	[-]
Posts: 2490 (05/11/08 6:49 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Overall Rankings OTT(M)5Erik Reichenbach MORN3Natalie Bolton CP(M)?Amanda Kimmel CP?4Cirie Fields UTR?2Parvati Shallow Episode Rating Averages (From most to least) (INV=1, UTR=2, CP=3, MOR=4, OTT=5) 4.87Erik Reichenbach 4.07Natalie Bolton 3.07Cirie Fields 3.00Amanda Kimmel 2.53Parvati Shallow Episode Tone Averages (From most to least) (NN=-2, N=-1, neutral=0, P=1, PP=2) 0.133Cirie Fields -0.200Erik Reichenbach -0.267Amanda Kimmel -0.533Parvati Shallow -0.800Natalie Bolton Episode Visibility Averages (From most to least) 5.00Erik Reichenbach 3.87Cirie Fields 3.53Amanda Kimmel 3.13Natalie Bolton 2.07Parvati Shallow Season Rating Averages (From most to least) (INV=1, UTR=2, CP=3, MOR=4, OTT=5) 4.06Ozzy Lusth 4.00Mikey Bortone 3.82Kathleen Sleckman 3.79Jonathan Penner 3.56Chet Welch 3.55Erik Reichenbach 3.53Joel Anderson 3.37James Clement 3.31Jason Siska 3.29Johnny Fairplay 3.14Cirie Fields 3.09Tracy Hughes-Wolf 3.03Eliza Orlins 2.85Parvati Shallow 2.77Amanda Kimmel 2.63Alexis Jones 2.50Ami Cusack 2.43Yau-Man Chan 2.25Mary Sartain 1.93Natalie Bolton Season Tone Averages (From most positive to least) (NN=-2, N=-1, neutral=0, P=1, PP=2) 0.371Tracy Hughes-Wolf 0.340Erik Reichenbach 0.329Yau-Man Chan 0.324Kathleen Sleckman 0.209Eliza Orlins 0.096Ami Cusack 0.054Mary Sartain 0.041Jonathan Penner 0.023Alexis Jones 0.000Johnny Fairplay -0.004James Clement -0.006Amanda Kimmel -0.069Ozzy Lusth -0.070Jason Siska -0.088Cirie Fields -0.114Parvati Shallow -0.121Natalie Bolton -0.289Joel Anderson -0.494Mikey Bortone -0.525Chet Welch Season Visibility Averages (From most to least) 5.00Johnny Fairplay 3.79Joel Anderson 3.71Ozzy Lusth 3.45Jonathan Penner 3.24Mikey Bortone 3.20Eliza Orlins 3.14Cirie Fields 3.01Tracy Hughes-Wolf 2.92Kathleen Sleckman 2.72Parvati Shallow 2.70Jason Siska 2.68Chet Welch 2.51Erik Reichenbach 2.43Amanda Kimmel 2.21James Clement 2.17Yau-Man Chan 2.13Ami Cusack 1.99Alexis Jones 1.93Mary Sartain 1.44Natalie Bolton MOR differencial (Sum difference from middle of road for total season) 0.37Cirie Fields 0.44Eliza Orlins 0.47Tracy Hughes-Wolf 0.54Parvati Shallow 0.68Jason Siska 0.81Amanda Kimmel 1.17James Clement 1.23Kathleen Sleckman 1.29Jonathan Penner 1.38Erik Reichenbach 1.40Alexis Jones 1.40Chet Welch 1.47Ami Cusack 1.61Joel Anderson 1.73Yau-Man Chan 1.73Mikey Bortone 1.84Ozzy Lusth 1.88Mary Sartain 2.29Johnny Fairplay 2.75Natalie Bolton Edgic Losers (Percentage of possible loser votes) 100.00%Natalie Bolton 86.67%Amanda Kimmel 20.00%Cirie Fields 6.67%Parvati Shallow Edgic Winners (Percentage of winner votes received) 80.00%Parvati Shallow 20.00%Cirie Fields 0.00%Natalie Bolton 0.00%Amanda Kimmel Close Calls Rating -- none -- Tone Cirie Fields NN (0%), N (6.7%), neutral (73.3%), P (20%), PP (0%)(note: 6 out of 11 neutral votes were for dynamic) -- close call is between neatral and mixed Parvati Shallow NN (0%), N (53.3%), neutral (46.7%), P (0%), PP (0%)(note: 1 out of 7 neutral votes were for dynamic) Visibility Amanda Kimmel 1 (0%), 2 (0%), 3 (46.7%), 4 (53.3%), 5 (0%) Total voters: 15
9RedWing19		#4880	[-]
Posts: 2140 (05/11/08 8:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Congratulations folks. First episode rules.

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