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I'm pretty sure the F3 will be back considering Cirie lost becuase there was a F2.

I think the lesson from this is that they will mix up F3/F2 so that nobody can plan specifically for either one. Though I still wonder if it was going to be F3, foiled by James' late departure.

So really, the editors have to appeal to multiple demographics. Give us wholesome, upbeat, likeable winners like Earl and Sandra.

Sandra was likeable? That's funny, mostly I remember an outspoken, in-your-face woman who was always bitching about someone.

I still think Parvati is one of the least negative of the villain winners. Some people seem to be predisposed to dislike Parvati being a young cute female willing to use her feminine charms to get ahead. Aside from the flirty moves, she really wasn't all that negative. She was smart, she was committed, and she was very strategic. I think she gets a bad rap because she is a woman making those moves.

I do agree, and believe me, Parvati was my very LEAST favorite person in S13 AND the one "fave" I thought "Godawmighty, why HER?" about. But, I respect her game and she managed to plant a bunch of landmines while avoiding others'.

They even replayed Parvati and Alexis' complete opening confessionals as a way of explaining the season. Oka-a-yy... so, from here on we should just watch the first segment of the first episode and then go find a nice video game to wile away the time until the Finale. Lol.

Time to nominate GimG as the OFFICIAL recap watchdog--specifically noting differences in how given events are portrayed one week to the next.

"What in the nickoledeon was that?",

So do you think that if a know pair makes it to the Final 2/3 next season, it should be a rule that known pairs will likely make the Finals

No, the Known Pair is dead in the water. It has "proven" in both directions, so it has a statistical correlation of zero (approximately). Just scrap it altogether (along with other "Final 2" references since that, too, is no longer a given. Change it to "finals" if you must.

I think the producers may actually WANT a tied final vote. They opened up the door in the past few seasons with a final three and this season, they made it even more likely to happen with a final 2 and 8 jurors. Rather than it just being a coincidence or something they are fearing, they seem to be trying for it. To me, that suggests that they have some amazing tiebreaker procedure that they have thought up that would be great TV, but none of us have figured it out yet. I was thinking they would do a challenge with the jurors or make the jurors vote one of their own out before the actual final TC.

I just can't buy this--I think it would be very disappointing to viewers to have someone make it all this way, only to lose *at the Reunion*. It really needs to be resolved while the game is still "in play" (probably for legal reasons, on top of "viewer satisfaction" reasons).

YAY for seeing S17! Many of us weren't sure if S16 might be the last, and I never did hear of Probst's renewing his contract (still haven't--might there be a different host?)