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yosimtesam |
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i have to give credit to erick on one thing, he didnt quit; did he make a stupid move yes; but ian quit in my opinion.
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spanellers1 |
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Here's the big difference in my opinion. Colby consciously knew that voting out Keith was giving Tina a million dollars. He was fine with it; it's what
he wanted to do; he said he would have done it again; in his eyes, it wasn't a mistake.
Ian consciously knew that stepping down was leaving the game. He was fine with it; it was what he wanted; in his eyes, it wasn't a mistake. And if someone is going to use the argument that Ian's move was more stupid because Tom winning anyways meant Ian was going to be voted out because then you have to put the same blame on every other third place finisher in the history of the series for losing the F3 immunity challenge and being voted out. Now, Erik was blind enough to not anticipate that giving up immunity would cost him the game. His move was stupider than Colby's or Ian's because the results of his move were not what he wanted. |
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yosimtesam |
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im not saying ian is necessarily stupid; i am saying that ian is a quieter and i despise quiters more than people who make mistakes..
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ShanesThinkingSeat |
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spanellers1 wrote: Colby stated in two interviews (one on the DVD) that a common misconception is that he wanted to give Tina a million dollars. He wanted to beat Tina. Therefore I put Colby's move ahead of Ian's in sheer stupidity, and Erik topped everything. |
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AnomyBC |
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OK, I added Erik. I put him at #3 like I said I was going to. Like I said before, I think what Ian and Colby did was stupider because they were so close to
actually winning the $1 million. Also, I can sort of understand what Erik did more than I can understand what Ian and Colby did because hot women trick me into
doing stupid shit everyday, but I've ever been tricked into doing stupid shit by a middle-aged woman or a middle-aged man or a fat chick. Also, I think
it's possible that one of them offered him a blowjob or something and they just didn't show it.
Anyway, I also added Jason not playing the HII. |
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GelEGuy2 |
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I'd like to argue that Erik's decision to send Parvati to Exile belongs on this list, too.
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Ozzmanda Fan234 |
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Erik's blunder was SOO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PJMichaelangelo |
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ShanesThinkingSeat wrote: Exactly. Colby thought he could beat whoever he took. He wasn't thinking he may be giving Tina a shot at a million dollars. He was thinking he was giving Tina 100 grand instead of Keith. Anomy, I understand your statement that Ian and Colby were closer to the million so their decisions were costlier. But I think you also need to consider
motivations. Ian and Colby's decisions weren't made in the incorrect assumption that they were improving their game odds. Colby thought he was
winning either way, and Ian flat out quit. Erik actually thought that giving up immunity was improving his standing in the game. That's why it's the
stupidest move in Survivor history.
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pjadedd |
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I think Jason's not using the HII was worst than Ozzy's. Ozzy was stupid for not even bringing it, but he thought he was safe, being in an alliance.
Jason was just stupid and naive about the social dynamics of the game.
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drinkinghotchocolate |
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I've read through this thread many times, and have wholly agreed with the placing of Ian vs Colby
But thinking about it now - Colby had won the immunity challenge. He had the final decision, and made the wrong one. Ian MAY have won, or may not have. So in that sense alone, Colby's decision was far stupider. However.....the fact that Ian did all of this for a complete beotch.....makes him a bigger pussy |
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phoenixtobootcamp |
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Maybe because its so fresh in my mind but Erik should rank 1st here...
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Screerider |
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drinkinghotchocolate wrote:Take heart. You're correct in your analysis. That's all that matters. |
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tullfan2 |
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New candidate to be added:
Amanda tells Cirie that she chose Parvati over her because Parvati is the power house in this game. What a great way to tell the jury that they should pick your Final 2 opponent over you! |
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pjadedd |
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tullfan2 wrote: Eh, I don't know about this. Cirie's question was basically "Amanda, tell the jury why Parvati should win." |
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adam gentry |
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Back to the site for a minute and decided to respond to a few of these in the rankings. Even though I realize that many of these statements refer to "raro" in general, I am going to give my personal opionion on the moves so hopefully I will open ya'lls eyes to the current thought processes at the time.
Last Edited By: adam gentry
05/16/08 5:01 AM.
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grodney |
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Call me gullible, but I don't see why some people think that's a ghostie.
Thanks for the insight Adam. |
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Francois40 |
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Another thing to consider (back to Erik vs Ian vs Colby) is that Erik was heavily, heavily pressured into his blunder; the entire rest of the tribe
was allied against him, all women, and 3 of them were Faves for whom he had at least passing idolation. We saw their plan to work him, work him, work him, and
there was no escape from it.
Ian, OTOH, made his decision solo, with only the "guilt" of whether Tom would be his friend hanging over him. Colby, of course, acted 100% on his own will and wasn't "swayed" by anyone. So you could say that Colby had the most "free will" in making his dumb move, so his is the worst, all else being equal--then Ian, then Erik. |
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tdugan333 |
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Thanks Adam. I had always wondered about the Yul vote. Good to get a different perspective and the reasoning behind what you chose to do.
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the real real adam |
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You again? We all know whose the genuine one here.
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AnomyBC |
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Thanks for your explanations Adam. They were very interesting. Some comments:
69. New Raro votes out JP over Stephannie at their first tribal council.This actually doesn't make any sense to me. I think the JP boot made you more vulnerable, not less vulnerable. I think it hurt your position in the following ways: 1. It reduced the likelihood of your tribe winning enough challenges to have the post-merge majority, hence putting you in more danger after the merge. 2. It put control of the next vote entirely into the hands of the females. 3. If the strong males were targeted as the result of a swap or merge, JP would have likely been targeted before you, so having him there would have probably kept you safe for one additional tribal council. I think an argument can be made that booting JP was a good move for several of the females, but I definitely think it was a bad move for you. 57. The Raros insist on voting for Yul after the merge, even though they know he may have the hidden immunity idol.The bottom line with this is that logically it would have made more sense to target Becky or Sundra. The most important thing for the Raros at that point in the game was to hold on to the numbers majority and by voting for Yul at that point they were risking losing that majority. You guys should have voted out Becky or Sundra and then voted for Yul at the next TC. As far as Jonathan, his flip back to Aitu makes sense only if two things are true: That Yul told him he would vote for him if he didn't flip and if you guys (the Raros) were unwilling to vote for anyone other than Yul. If those 2 things are true, then Jonathan DID have to flip to save himself. That being said, I presume you guys could have been convinced to vote for someone else if Jonathan simply told you guys that Yul had the idol. That's the part of what Jonathan did that I don't understand. If I was him, I would have told you guys that Yul had the idol and that you needed to vote for Becky or Sundra because of that. I have to imagine that given that information you would have done so. 48. The Raros vote off Jenny instead of Jonathan.I think voting for Jenny definitely made a certain amount of sense from the perspectives of you and Candice. I think it was primarily a bad move for Parvati and Nate, both of whom definitely had a stronger ally in Jenny. In any case, I think I may reword this or move it farther down on the list at some point. |
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