Holy CRAP... I agree with nearly the entire list. Although I would put Heidik first... then Hatch and so on from there. An AMAZING job Mighty Mouse. WOW.
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Top 20 Survivor Players of All Time
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Posts: 3418 (05/15/08 2:19 AM) Owns stock in Clorox |
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pinoyako |
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Posts: 899 (05/15/08 3:35 AM) Registered user |
Cirie > Parvati > Amanda
Don't flame me, this is just my opinion and purely based on facts. |
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LES2002 |
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Posts: 892 (05/15/08 11:38 AM) I need a hobby |
I have a couple of questions. Would Tina be ranked in your top 20 (or even chosen for All-Stars) if Colby did not make his $900,000 mistake? She would have
schemed the same way (other than at the tribal council) but she would have finished third. If Brian was so great, how did he only manage to beat Clay 4-3,
where Clay has never been talked about being that great of a player? Richard was practically the first one voted out, relied heavily on the Sue Hawke speech,
and beat out zero competition from Kelly Wigglesworth (who always has been left off of everybody top list). All I'm saying is that the people who won the
individual seasons of Survivor cannot be compared - it's pure speculation and a person's opinion. You can always find something wrong with
everybody's game. You can be the strongest player out there that makes no mistakes, makes no enemies, defies all odds - and can still lose to someone who
did not play such a flawless game.
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Posts: 8 (05/15/08 1:13 PM) |
For Tina, I agree that she probably wouldn't be in my top 20 if she finished third, although I would still rank her up near the top. However, I feel that
the best part of her strategy was being able to get the most competitive player to take her to the final two with him when he was quite sure he would lose. I
put Hatch at the top for the main reason that the game would not be the way it is today without him creating the first Survivor alliance, so I feel he has a
huge impact on the game, and in a game where nobody knew the best way to play since it was the very first time, Richard knew exactly what to do, which is quite
impressive. I agree that it is very hard to compare different season's games--especially more recent seasons vs. earlier seasons, since the game is played
very differently today, but I feel it is possible as long as you give credit to both the new and old players, i.e. Rich, Tina, and Brian for helping develop
the game and playing it without having as much experience of seeing how previous contestants played, but also giving credit to players like Yul, Chris, and
Todd who have to play a much more complex game with new twists, etc. I understand that this is my opinion, and alot of people are not going to agree;
that's why I posted here; hoping that I could get different insight from people and perhaps create a different list. That said, I have updated my list yet
again somewhat, adding 5 people and making at a top 25 list.
25. Rafe 24. Peih-Gee 23. Fairplay 22. Parvati 21. Amber 20. Jenna 19. Aras 18. Boston Rob (I moved him down considering that he played a poor social game in that he pissed too many people off at the end) 17. Vecepia 16. Kathy 15. Danni 14. Todd 13. Sandra 12. Yau Man 11. Ethan 10. Earl 9. Cirie 8. Amanda (I still haven't decided whether or not to put Amanda above Cirie, but I feel that making the final two back to back while staying physically and mentally sharp and not being considered a goat is quite an accomplishment) 7. Tom W. 6. Rob C. (I moved him up considering the impact he had on the way the game is played today) 5. Chris 4. Yul 3. Brian 2. Tina 1. Richard |
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Posts: 8176 (05/15/08 1:18 PM) Registered user |
ShanesThinkingSeat wrote: He knowingly allowed Brian to make the decisions so he wouldn't be blamed for them. And the "comment" you're referring to was supposedly made by Clay, not Brian, so it's pretty amazing that Clay still came so close even with those accusations against him. |
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Posts: 4786 (05/15/08 1:19 PM) |
There's no way in hell Danni, Sandra, Ethan , Yau-Man, Amanda are better players then Vecepia. There's just no way.
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colleenlover |
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Posts: 8146 (05/15/08 1:26 PM) Registered User |
that's why I only really look at who was maixmizing their options.
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roxbury123 |
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Posts: 261 (05/15/08 2:56 PM) |
I really dont know why Amanda making the finals make her a good player. Nevermind one of the "best players". Eric on the Amazing Race made the
final twice [and won the second time] and if you were to ask Amazing Race Fans i dont think he would be listed as the best racer or even in the top 10.
Amanda did nothing special to get to the finals. Plus doesn't Stephanie still out number her on tribal councils? Plus she played with people not knowing how she placed. Had nobody knew Tina won Outback during all stars Tina wouldnt have been voted out first. So until someone tells me what Amanda did to become this "great top 20 player" i cant take anyone's list seriously. What did she do outside of just making the finals....oh yea nothing. And even with that Amber already played Amanda's strategy and won why is noone giving credit to her. Amanda fucked up the easiest way to win. |
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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Posts: 4788 (05/15/08 3:08 PM) |
If you make it to the finals TWICE and face the jury TWICE and still can't win, YOU = NOT A GOOD PLAYER.
Eric on the Amazing Race made the final twice [and won the second time] and if you were to ask Amazing Race Fans i dont think he would be listed as the best racer or even in the top 10. I'd actually have to disagree with you there. Eric/Jeremy are probably one of the top five best performing teams on TAR. |
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Posts: 11566 (05/15/08 3:12 PM) Registered User |
I still say Colby's a must-have on any top 20 list. He was the first guy who balanced two alliances, which gave him options for later on and even managed
to hold on to Jerri/Amber after the Mitchell boot. And for all the kudos Amanda got for her acting the night she played the hidden idol, Colby was the guy who
put on Survivor's first great acting performance by successfully deflecting Kucha's votes at the merge TC onto him.
Would Tina be ranked in your top 20 (or even chosen for All-Stars) if Colby did not make his $900,000 mistake? She would have schemed the same way (other than at the tribal council) but she would have finished third. That's actually a great what-if. She might be in the lower area purely for her stranglehold on Rodger and Lis--the Jerri boot did not put her at risk whatsoever because of the "good people" leash she managed to control them with. Plus, she was the one who asked Kimmi who Debb had voted for. Although no way she gets on ASS if she doesn't win (same with Ethan for that matter). If Brian was so great, how did he only manage to beat Clay 4-3, where Clay has never been talked about being that great of a player? I don't really get how this is really an argument against Brian. I can justify it as an argument in Clay's favor; that he capitalized on Brian's weak social game by buddying up to some of the Sook Jai players, but Brian knew that you only needed four votes to win. No way Jan or Jake vote for Clay, and he correctly realized that his work ethic and Clay's personality would be enough to put Helen and Ted in his favor. A win is a win, whether it's 9-0-0 or 4-3. As long as you get the four votes, you can be a total douche to the other three jurors and it's completely irrelevant. Richard was practically the first one voted out, relied heavily on the Sue Hawke speech, and beat out zero competition from Kelly Wigglesworth (who always has been left off of everybody top list). Rich made a bad first impression but was he really in danger of being the first one out? That always seemed like hyperbole on EPMB's part to me. Sue's speech worked against him if anything (I still personally don't think it switched any votes though). And I don't know what you mean by saying that Richard "beat out zero competition from Kelly Wigglesworth" since you follow it up by saying that she's always left off of top player lists. Kelly doesn't make top player lists for a reason. She was completely wishy-washy which rubbed most of the Tagi half of Rattana the wrong way and even one of the people who voted for her to win called her out on it and wondered if the million dollars would "help you be...nice, or something." She's one of the top female players ever from a challenge point of view but strategically she's a mess. |
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Posts: 295 (05/15/08 3:25 PM) Registered user |
Amanda is a great player because she did not make it to the end because of luck like Eric from the Amazing Race did she made it to the end because she was a
keen strategic player. She also didn't latch onto the largest personality to hide behind them (like Amber did with both Jerri and Rob) she formed strategic
partnerships and friendships with the people she was in alliances with. She was athletic enough to win individual immunity challenges. She also has a great
tribal council record: In China she went to tribal council 9 times and cast an elimination vote each time and in Fans v. Faves she went to tribal 13 times and
cast an elimination vote 12 times (not voting for Ozzy on his blindside). She even had a better tribal record than Cirie this season. Cirie, Yau-Man, Kathy,
etc... have never even made the finals once so criticizing Amanda for reaching it twice and failing is a joke. Her game had a few flaws and that is why people
like Brian, Rich, Tina will beat her but we have been watching her for over a year now and her biggest flaw takes up more air time (performance in two final
tribal councils) than anybody elses.
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Posts: 4149 (05/15/08 3:30 PM) |
But Amanda DID ride coattails. She latched onto Todd early on and let him make pretty much all the decisions except for booting James (which he came up with a
few days prior). She then dragged him to the finals because she thought th people would vote for her based on he being a "good girl" while Todd
voted them out. Then in Micronesia, she latched onto Ozzy and would've gone to the end with him before he was voted off and she latched onto Parvati and
Cirie. Then she fell for the same trap. Amanda is like Neleh, and Neleh in no way EVER deserves to be on a top 20 best players list.
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Dictatorship |
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Posts: 2605 (05/15/08 3:34 PM) Crying my eyes out
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The inclusion of Yul and Earl on any "best" list instantly makes that list invalid.
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05/15/08 3:38 PM.
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Quiddity |
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Posts: 2519 (05/15/08 3:35 PM) Registered User |
 Are you serious? Or am I just confused?
I have a couple of questions. Would Tina be ranked in your top 20 (or even chosen for All-Stars) if Colby did not make his $900,000 mistake? She would have schemed the same way (other than at the tribal council) but she would have finished third. One of the biggest reasons Tina is such a great player is that she was able to manipulate Colby into taking her instead of Keith. Had Colby voted her out she certainly doesn't make the F3 with me. But that's irrelevent. It didn't happen. She's in the top 20 and is one of the best winners ever. If you make it to the finals TWICE and face the jury TWICE and still can't win, YOU = NOT A GOOD PLAYER. X. She's an okay player. Certainly deserved to get as far as she did, she was never dragged and was never considered a goat by the other players there (on the contrary, she was the jury threat in their eyes!) She's certainly not among the best we've seen though. She's proved that she can't close the deal. :P |
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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Posts: 4789 (05/15/08 3:38 PM) |
Baulder, so you're telling me that Amanda is a better player then Cirie, Earl, Todd, Vecepia, Boston Rob, Jenna, Aras, Fairplay, Parvati....I don't think so. She got to the top twice, face the jury twice, and lost TWICE. No, don't think so. She just rode her alliance-mates moves all the way to the end both seasons. |
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Baulder |
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Posts: 296 (05/15/08 4:41 PM) Registered user |
I'm definitely not saying she is better than all of those people but she is definitely better than some. I get it just depends on how you view the
formation of alliances in Survivor. If you don't like Amanda then you are going to think she rode coattails if you like Amanda than you are going to think
that she made alliances which is what Survivor is all about. There are 30 other Survivors that have lost twice and some of them make that list, why just hold
it against Amanda?
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Posts: 4152 (05/15/08 4:45 PM) |
Because several were in All-Stars, which is a horrible place to base decisions on, giving how every player that made the top 4 in their original season was
booted by the final 7, except for Big Tom. And no one has ever failed in the finals except for Amanda. At least other players have the excuse that they were
threats and got eliminated ue to reasons beyond their control. Amanda rode coattails to the finals twice and then completely blew it twice.
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finishthemoff |
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Posts: 8548 (05/15/08 4:45 PM) Registered user |
I actually thought Richard's social game is actually one of the worse I ever seen. Though he does okay bonding with Pagong, his nude act pretty much
alienates them. He simply does not care. That should have been work against Richard. That act of nudity would have made him automatic first castaway to vote
out after ASS.
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TheRoundPeg |
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Posts: 362 (05/15/08 4:49 PM) Registered user |
^^ By the time Richard went to his tribal council, he already had an alliance -- and he was the leader of the alliance -- and ahead of everyone else.
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colleenlover |
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Posts: 8147 (05/15/08 4:49 PM) Registered User |
Quiddity wrote: yeah, I don't know enough about the behind the scenes stuff-maybe there aren't any trully outstanding players from those seasons. Palau I remember just thinking everyone was terrible until Jenn convinced Tom to cause the tie and was cool as a cucumber while doing it. Julie I thought was pretty darn slick. -but in general I can't really think of any fantastic players. |
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