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Posts: 11 (05/22/08 4:15 PM) |
mattg591971 wrote: If Survivor were the Super Bowl, you would have the first place team to all of a sudden play the last place team, instead of the two best teams.
But unlike Survivor, luck is not a factor in football. Get it?
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Posts: 21 (05/22/08 4:31 PM) |
ArtieeLange wrote: OK, I shouldn't respond to this, but if you don't think luck is a factor in football,or any sport, you need to shoot yourself now. You're trying to tell me that on the Giants final drive that clinched the game, Eli Manning breaking out of a sure sack, throwing a pray over the middle of the field, and David Tyree catching it on his helmet with Rodney Harrison draped all over him was not luck??????????????? Are you serious???????? And you're trying to tell me the Giants were the best team in the NFC??????????? When did you start watching, the playoffs?????? What the fuck are you smoking...it should be outlawed immediately!!!!! |
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Posts: 3756 (05/22/08 5:58 PM) |
I'm still waiting for your "oh so perfect fix" to Survivor to be applied to actual scenarios. Are you afraid to actually put your theory into
play? No one is listening to you because you aren't actually saying anything other than "Next". Put your money
where your mouth is, choose any season you want and put your theory into play to show us how the outcome would have changed by not having teams and it being
challenge based. Please. Calling you out dumb fuck. Put your money where your mouth is. I don't think you can do it.
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Posts: 12 (05/22/08 6:25 PM) |
phoenixtobootcamp wrote: 1) The ratings are getting worse with each season, because loser weaklings are ending up in the finals, not just the final 2 but the final 6.
2) On the last 5 of 6 episodes of this last season, the ONLY interesting aspect was the challenge, and who would win. Everything else was boring (except
Tribal, thanks to that dimwit Eric).
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Posts: 2600 (05/22/08 6:50 PM) Registered User |
1) The ratings are getting worse with each season, because loser weaklings are ending up in the finals, not just the final 2 but the final 6. The ratings are getting worse with each season because WITH RARE EXCEPTION THE RATINGS ARE GETTING WORSE ON EVERY FUCKING SHOW ON NETWORK TELEVISION. You fail.
The post-merge of Micronesia was probably the best post merge in the history of the show. I bet many Sucksters would agree with that statement. Fail again.
The only people who want to see boring alpha males like Terry win are dumbass fanboys and dateless females. A statement taken to the extreme with nothing to back it up, but I'd say its less baseless than your claim. RAMONE!!!!!!! THE MOVIE OUTBREAK WAS FILMED INSIDE OF ARTIE'S ASSHOLE!!!!!!! |
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Dan Down Under |
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Posts: 2463 (05/22/08 6:58 PM) Registered user |
Artiee, you said that the Micronesia post merge was filled with "losers". Can you actually clarify what exactly a "loser" and a "winner" is? |
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Posts: 14 (05/22/08 7:21 PM) |
Dan Down Under wrote: I sure can, Dan! Losers are those who would not last on a level playing field, where everyone has an equal chance and where failure is penalized and success is rewarded. I
just described my system, which is why it would weed out these weaklings.
The current system is not equal at all, since not only are the teams permanent for half the season, but the players selected to them are random, and even
worse, the teams eventually dissolve after most of the threats are voted off so by the time individual immunity comes around you are stuck with the worst of
the worst.
Does that clarify things for you, Dan?
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oh ehm gee |
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Posts: 933 (05/22/08 8:15 PM) |
1) The ratings are getting worse with each season, because loser weaklings are ending up in the finals, not just the final 2 but the final 6. You're sniffing paint if you think that television in 2000 is in any way comparable to television in 2008. IT ISN'T. QUIT TRYING TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT. And fun fact, ratings on the whole increased for ASS. Why would that be? There really wasn't a change in the game dynamic between PI and ASS. What's there to say that the game dynamic is the cause of the ratings decline.* * This, of course, has been a point I've made to you for 3 posts now. Perhaps we're not the ones who can't understand your improvement, rather, perhaps you cannot (or are unwilling) to accept valid criticism, something that you will encounter should you decide to pitch this to EPMB. Also, Survivor's not long for this (US) world anyway, so quit worrying about it. |
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Posts: 3 (05/22/08 11:27 PM) |
Why don't you look Survivor history? Micronesia was an unusual season. One tribe really had no weakies, the other tribe started the individual game too
soon, letting 2 weakies go farther than they should have. Vanuatu was unusual, since the male tribe had a 5-4 advantage over the older men, and they probably
thought they didn't need the younger guys against the girls.
Pretty much every other season the weakies get targeted right away. Look at Pearl Islands, Savage targets Skinny Ryan and Lil from the start. What happens when a weakie squeaks through to the merge? Do they become a target? No, they are kept like Jan, Lil, and Scout and make the F3 or F2. When a tribe a being Pagonged, they go from the strongest player to the weakest. So why would anyone get rid of Skinny Ryan, and Lil. There's your PI final 2, Skinny Ryan wins, joining Kathy (gratz Kathy), Chicken, Janu, Billy, Scout, BB, Mad Dog, etc. Another thing, these people that are always in the losers tribe are going to find strong bonds, just like Chet, Kathy and Tracy. They're going to major players. Cirie would actually probably do well there. The other losers would be like her pawns. One thing they should do is improve casting/recruiting, and about a week before contact them and ask Is your girlfriend/wife pregnant? Has family member or close friend of yours died recently? Is a family member or close friend of yours very sick? Are you sure you can handle 30 days living outside? Make sure they're mentally, emotionally and physically ready to go. We just had 2 pretty good seasons to make up for 3 lackluster ones. The show is doing fine. If the strike had lasted longer (or shorter) it would have done even better. |
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Posts: 15 (05/23/08 4:00 AM) |
doc wrote: Except there won't be a "losers tribe", since only a fool would give up a 50% chance for immunity, and the challenges (and therefore the
winners) will vary. Chet Kathy and Tracy bonded in the current system, so at the very least my system benefits the players who compete and win in the top half
by rewarding them with immunity. The losers will only be able to vote out other losers.
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Posts: 935 (05/23/08 7:25 AM) |
The fun thing is that this season really couldn't happen any other way. It's not like you could say "Oh, Chet and Kathy were on Thailand" and
bullshit their way onto the Favorites tribe. Hence your criticisms really don't mean anything since the Chet/Kathy issues were casting's fault* rather
than a flaw in game logic. Quite simply, Mikey played too hard too fast (unfortunately). Joel was an asshole whose challenge strength was not enough to detract
from this (recall that in the IC of his boot, Joel fucked things up by going over Chet). The fact that you have yet to come up with any other example proves
this.
I also find it funny that your system emphasizes putting everyone on an even starting field, however, the only possible way of doing this would be to have some sort of challenge. Considering that it would be nearly impossible to find a challenge with all the different components of games found on Survivor (physical prowess, mental ability, endurance, speed, concentration, etc.), regardless of the type of challenge you're doing someone gets shortchanged, and would have to be in the losing group, forced to either vote someone out or be voted out. Sound familiar? It's the first episode. Unless you have the first TC be nonelimination**, the first boot still doesn't get a chance to prove themselves. * this is in the hypothetical, because KB is awesome ** this could actually be an awesome twist - it would certainly jack up the tribal tension Also, way to continually shortchange Tracy's strategy. What difference is there between the alliance of old people bringing in others to get rid of Mikey (who, you'll recall, was eliminated 6-3, therefore, you can't really complain about them) or OriginalAitu voting off Billy or Tagi taking advantage of Dr. Sean's strategy to get rid of Jenna? None, really. Additionally, way to emphasize challenge ability. Parvati won because she was able to make such good relationships with the jury. Actually winning challenges would mess up her game. Same with Todd - his strategic aptitude combined with being decent in challenges would have make him a much bigger target. Here's something to consider - if the ratings were really bad, Survivor would've been pulled by now. The fact that it's got the 18th season ordered shows the CBS has faith in Survivor and it's ratings. If you don't like how it's played, no one is forcing you to watch. You have the internet; find something else to watch. It's that simple. |
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Posts: 22 (05/23/08 10:38 AM) |
ArtieeLange wrote: Amazing! 16 pages and you still don't understand what you are saying plays right into a Chet/Kathy/Tracy/Cirie loser alliance controlling the game. |
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Posts: 5 (05/23/08 12:55 PM) |
ArtieeLange wrote: The same people will be on the bottom alot. Almost all chalenges have have some physical element to them. Alot of the puzzle ones require strength. The only pure mental one was Survivor trivia, but they did have those heavy wheels with the answers, probably too much for Chet. |
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Posts: 512 (05/23/08 2:01 PM) |
I'm visiting this thread because I want to witness Artiee become the next reduced caffeine.
He can't even put very vivid examples. The opposition presented ideas that made me LIKE THE CURRENT SYSTEM MORE! |
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ArtieeLange |
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Posts: 16 (05/23/08 6:43 PM) |
doc wrote: "Physical" does not mean "strength", some are balance, puzzles, memory, psychological (knowledge of other players), psych (eating bugs
and shit).
Let those who choose to lose suffer at loser-camp, and try to make an alliance. Let those who choose to compete, win, get rewarded at winner camp, and get immunity, and also try to make alliances.
Way more interesting than now, the show can't even Survive its own time-slot anymore.
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Quiddity |
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Posts: 2608 (05/23/08 7:20 PM) Registered User |
Way more interesting than now, the show can't even Survive its own time-slot anymore. Yes, that's why its winning its timeslot every week. |
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Posts: 428 (05/23/08 7:39 PM) |
ArtieeLange wrote: Are you saying there are less losers in the world now than in 2000?
16 seasons and as Quiddity pointed out Micronesia still delivered post-merge (and even pre-merge I'd say). Survivor still got it. You just can't expect it to be as strong as its first season no matter how much you change the premise. |
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SFC |
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Posts: 335 (05/23/08 11:44 PM) Registered user |
Well, I guess the one thing good about this idea is that we would have been able to see some CHETOWNAGE!
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VBeauregarde |
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Posts: 33 (05/23/08 11:46 PM) |
People talk about Micronesia's great post-merge but it's pre-merge was amazing too. Way better than most of the boring ones
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Posts: 121 (05/24/08 8:55 AM) |
Err, why do pepole still post in this thread?
Artiee is a troll, a stupid one too, he probably is somewhere around six years old, and doesn't understand the true concept of survivor, or the social game. If no one will post here after this messege, Artiee will probably just go away /= |
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