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Fluffynurse		#1741	[-]
Posts: 13672 (05/30/08 5:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I don't agree Scree, It looked just like I thought a donkey wheel looks like. Except instead of a solid column in the center there's usually a wheel shaped rock that grinds corn or something as a donkey walks in circles attached to one of the prongy thingies. I bought it anyway. But it kinda reminded me of those shetland pony rides at carnivals where the ponies are attached to bars.
Mister Slippery		#1742	[-]
Posts: 14753 (05/30/08 5:13 PM) Registered Abuser Administrator Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Did all of you go to the bathroom when Locke was watching the film? The earth is moving and if the island just does a Time Jump it changes its position on the Earth because of that rotation, the island doesn't really physically "travel"
qv09vvp	sorry Mister S	#1743	[-]
Posts: 44 (05/30/08 5:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	My husband thinks your all wet... He argues that the island really did move. Someone help me here, my hubby is now taking to showing me that time travel would not make the island actually move...
Antithesys		#1744	[-]
Posts: 22259 (05/30/08 5:40 PM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think what he's saying is that when you turn the donkey wheel, the island becomes stationary with respect to the center of the Earth, and the planet's rotation causes it to zip away. Which would be wrong on a number of different levels, so hopefully I misunderstood him.
phantomkp		#1745	[-]
Posts: 293 (05/30/08 8:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	LockeIsAPimp wrote: GodIsAnAtheist wrote: LockeIsAPimp wrote: No, whether on page, or on screen, turning a wheel to move the island was still retarded. The only thing that saved it was getting to watch Jack try to doubt it, and then Hurley calling his ass out. I'm sorry, but if you think there is any method more realistic/credible/whatever to MOVE AN ISLAND, then you are probably watching the wrong show. I thought I intimated that moving the island was ridiculous. Doesn't really matter whether they crank a big ass wheel, fire up an engine, or do handstands and wiggle their noses while not wearing pants. Being able to move the island in time is a problem for you...but none of the other time/space manipulation, electomagnetism anomlies, ghosts, half dead, miraculous healings, coincendental plane crash surviving, etc...you are just fine and dandy with that?? :P Sorry...but if the Island (and the people on it) DIDNT have the ability to pop to a different time, nothing we have been watching the past 4 seasons would make much sense!
phantomkp		#1746	[-]
Posts: 294 (05/30/08 8:41 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	PumaPeggy wrote: I think the frozen donkey wheel...was exactly what it was to represent that it had been there for probably centuries. Notice in the cavern were ancient hieroglyphics as well. The Dharma folk who were doing the experiments had no idea of it's actual existence. So Ben's destroying their elaborate experiment to get to the REAL cause for the time variances was really cool. If the Dharma folk didnt know the exsistance of the donkey wheel...who put Dharma harnesses on polar bears and put them down in that cave to turn the wheel before then? Someone had to..thats why we saw a polar bear in the desert like Ben was popped to... And it cant be Ben and the others who did it after Dharma was eradicated, because if that were true, there would already be a blasted hole in the wall to get into the cave already...had to have been done by Dharma before covering it with a wall, no?
phantomkp		#1747	[-]
Posts: 295 (05/30/08 8:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	PumaPeggy wrote: The thing that perplexes me is the dream Kate had with Claire in it. At that point we know Locke had already spoken to Kate about going back. Did Kate dream what she wanted to hear from Claire or was that really Claire warning Kate? That is hard to know now too. My take on it is...Jack needs to be drunk to see Christian...Hurly needs to be crazy (off his meds) to see Charlie...and Kate needs to be dreaming to see Claire. Which explains why Kate is the most stubborn at the end, because its much easier to dismiss the calling of ghosts as just a dream...whereas its been much harder for Jack, and of course Hurly, to dismiss it. I wonder who Sun sees, and how?
phantomkp		#1748	[-]
Posts: 296 (05/30/08 8:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Anal Probst wrote: GodIsAnAtheist wrote: You should probably stop watching now, then. If moving the island is ridiculous and donkey wheels aren't plausible for you, then you should save yourself the trouble and stop watching, because I'd venture as to say shit will get weirder from here on out. its not that moving the island or some kind of bizarre process to do it is too weird and implausible -- after all, this show -- its that 1. a big donkey wheel in an ice cave seems like a silly way to do it, and more importantly, 2. they way they executed it, with sparkly 80s-style special effects akin to a movie where a little girl magically becomes a princess, combined with ben's "i think i can!" face, was kind of a groaner. Hmmm... I think its better to have the Island exhibit its miraculous wonder through the ancient technology (donkey wheel down in the earth...heiroglyph caverns leading to smoke monsters controls...etc)...than if Ben had pressed a button yo make the island pop somewhere else, dont you? Which means the frozen donkey wheel is really a perfect mechanism Lost lore. We are supposed to learn much more about the Islands history next season, maybe you'll understand it better then? And how could you groan at Ben's expression! It was almost heartbreaking as he moved the wheel...knowing he was losing his place as the leader and that he'd be kicked off the island...it wasnt a "think i can!" expression at all.
GodIsAnAtheist		#1749	[-]
Posts: 3898 (05/30/08 8:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Antithesys wrote: I think what he's saying is that when you turn the donkey wheel, the island becomes stationary with respect to the center of the Earth, and the planet's rotation causes it to zip away. Which would be wrong on a number of different levels, so hopefully I misunderstood him. Quoted for truth.
Fluffynurse		#1750	[-]
Posts: 13674 (05/30/08 9:00 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	phantom - I don't think the polar bears had anything to do with the frozen donkey wheel. I think Dharma was doing experiments back in the 60s-70s & brought the bears to the island from remote stations in polar areas (via that chamber in the room at The Orchid). (Thus the cages on Hydra.) Dharma had no idea of the existance of the donkey wheel. They built The Orchid near it because that particular place held "mystical powers". But Ben knew it was there (he knows everything it seems) & he knew all it would take to get to it would be a blast through the mountain. There was obviously no other way to access it & no way to get a bear down to it. And besides, why would you want a polar bear to turn something that can be done by manpower? Why keep it turning continuously? There is no need for that. Just a few cranks gets the desired results. Last Edited By: Fluffynurse 05/30/08 9:05 PM. Edited 1 times.
phantomkp		#1751	[-]
Posts: 297 (05/30/08 9:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mister Slippery wrote: Did all of you go to the bathroom when Locke was watching the film? The earth is moving and if the island just does a Time Jump it changes its position on the Earth because of that rotation, the island doesn't really physically "travel" Hmmm... The way i see it is...lets say you could time travel your car by turning the steering wheel one full turn. YOu are standing on the street while im in the car turning the wheel. When the car goes back in time, you see it disappear...right? Even though the car stays in the same physical street you see it disappear cause its back in time. The same thing with the island. Now, if the popped the car back in time to the same street 20 years before...and never move the car physically...as soon as i turn the wheel, you wouldnt see the car disappear, youd just see it suddenly 20 years older...right? Which means, the island has never really been in the present...since its inception its always been behind or in front of the present. UNTIL recently because of the whole not pushing the button thing, right?
Antithesys		#1752	[-]
Posts: 22264 (05/30/08 9:07 PM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Assuming the car never moves, then you'd have a paradox because the car would be infinitely aging by 20 years.
phantomkp		#1753	[-]
Posts: 298 (05/30/08 9:09 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Fluffynurse wrote: phantom - I don't think the polar bears had anything to do with the frozen donkey wheel. I think Dharma was doing experiments back in the 60s-70s & brought the bears to the island from remote stations in polar areas. (Thus the cages on Hydra.) Dharma had no idea of the existance of the donkey wheel. They built The Orchid near it because that particular place held "mystical powers". But Ben knew it was there (he knows everything it seems) & he knew all it would take to get to it would be a blast through the mountain. There was obviously no other way to access it & no way to get a bear down to it. And besides, why would you want a polar bear to turn something that can be done by manpower? Why keep it turning continuously? There is no need for that. Just a few cranks gets the desired results. I totally understand what you are saying, its hard to make sense of...but... It HAS to be why there where polar bears on that island. Its the only sense you could make of that. Its an incredibly cold climate down that cave. A Dahrma polar bear wearing a harness ended up in a desert just like Ben did? The donkey wheel had holes at the end of the spikes to attach something to? I mean, how would you explain the polar bear, wearing a Dharma harness, being thrown in the desert like Ben was...and not give pause to the sub artic animal wheel?? lol And you cant say Dharma had no idea the donkey wheel or the cave existed. They puposefully built the station over the cave...And why was Ben wearing a parka bearing the name of Halliwax (Marvin Candle)? Why would Candle have a parka if he never went into the artic cave? It obviously wasnt cold in the Orchid station itself...
cindidindi76		#1754	[-]
Posts: 10760 (05/30/08 9:09 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Since it's been a while, I just feel the need to say: God I hate this time travel crap.
GodIsAnAtheist		#1755	[-]
Posts: 3907 (05/30/08 9:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	cindidindi76 wrote: Since it's been a while, I just feel the need to say: God I hate this time travel crap. Me too. I trust in Darlton, but I hate the concept.
phantomkp		#1756	[-]
Posts: 302 (05/30/08 9:20 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	cindidindi76 wrote: Since it's been a while, I just feel the need to say: God I hate this time travel crap. Thats weird...since "The Constant" episode seems to be one of the favorite "Lost" episode of the entire series from most fans and critics. And that was nothing BUT time travel crap. :) Last Edited By: phantomkp 05/30/08 9:24 PM. Edited 1 times.
phantomkp		#1757	[-]
Posts: 303 (05/30/08 9:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	yuku problem Last Edited By: phantomkp 05/30/08 9:24 PM. Edited 1 times.
phantomkp		#1758	[-]
Posts: 303 (05/30/08 9:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	yuku problem
GodIsAnAtheist		#1759	[-]
Posts: 3910 (05/30/08 9:24 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	phantomkp wrote: cindidindi76 wrote: Since it's been a while, I just feel the need to say: God I hate this time travel crap. Thats weird...since "The Constant" episode seems to be one of the favorite "Lost" episode of the entire series from most fans and critics. And that was nothing BUT time travel crap. :) And, ironically, one of MY favorite episodes, despite the fact I don't like it.
phantomkp		#1760	[-]
Posts: 305 (05/30/08 9:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	lol exactly my point :P So Darlton and Cuse, in their clever way, have made you LOVE the concept of time travel as a story device...despite your previous biases against it. :P

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