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ArtieeLange1 wrote:

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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:

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I have a problem with your idea that a certain person "should" win Survivor. Survivor is a Darwinian contest,yes, but human beings also contain things like "conscious" and "integrity" and other factors which relate to why everyone doesn't make optimal moves. This is interesting because it reflects reality.If human beings were communitarian,then society would be alot different. We wouldn't even be having this conversation,as it is not productive to an orderly society.Thats what you want isn't it,an "orderly" Survivor where your definition of who is worthy survives? Survivor is a much better show then your idea because it is an exaggerated microcosm of real life.

Look at the big brain on Dr Will.

You think you've discovered something, uncovered some flaw in my system or my thinking.

In doing so you failed to realize that you understand neither, and I will now enlighten your ignorance.

The crux of the problem with Survivor is that it offers advantages to certain players (weak) and disadvantages other players (strong) during the team-phase.

Survivor mimics real life when this random, forced, semi-permanent teaming is over, and the individual immunity starts.

Thats what people like about most game-shows, contests, and sports; the fairness and meritocracy ensures that the best compete against the best.

Big sporting event coming up Saturday, the Belmont Stakes. Under Survivor system, "Big Brown" would not be in the race because the lesser competitors would have mobbed up and voted him off. Then you have a race, a finale, of weaklings, something no one wants.

That in a nutshell is why Survivor ratings are dropping like bird shit, whether you can accept that or not.

Who cares who has an advantage? If a strongman isn't cunning or lucky enough to mitigate the effects of an evil fascist like Chet, he should have played better. Your assuming that the weak folk will always band together,is this true? Lets look at every single tribe in Survivor history to see if your Marxian prospects ring true

Pagong-Well yes, they voted out Joel, but you could argue that Greg and Gretchen would never leave in the team phase, which would work since their the best survivalists.So this ones up in the air

Tagi-Well,the Tagi 4 weren't exactly the heirs of Hercules, so you might be right. But was Dirk really all that strong in the long run? Eventually he would have ran out of gas

Ogakor-With Kel yes, with Mad Dog and Mitchell,no. So your wrong on this one.

Kucha-Nope,the strong prospered.They didn't need Debb or Kimmi

Boran-Nope, the strong prospered

Samburu-It wasn't weak vs strong,it was young vs old.

NuBoran-Hard to say, but I seriously doubt Ethan or Clarence would have been booted from this tribe

NuSamburu-Nope

Maraamu-Robs a tough guy, so is Sean, so nope,your theory is still wrong

NuMaraaumu-They clearly kept the stongest folk for what they had, eh, maybe they didn't,hard to say

NuRotu-John,Tammy and arguably The General were all strong

Chuay Ghan-The strongest went to the end except for John

Sook Jai-You've got me on this one

Tambaqui-Yeah, you're right here too

Jaburu-Hard to tell,they were all strong women

NuTambaqui-no

NuJaburu-No

Drake-Yes

Morgan-No

Mogo Mogo- Yes

Chapera-No

Saboga-Yes,cept for Rupert

NuMogo Mog-Hells yes

NuChapera-No

Lopevi-Yes,this is the most obvious example in your defense, but its only an isolated incident

Yasur-Well they won didn't they? The strong women must have stayed

NuYasur-Depends on your interpretation

NuLopevi-No,John K would of flipped

Koror-Not at all

Ulong-Yes and No

Yaxha-No

Nakum-No

NUYaxha-No

NuNakum-No

Casaya(older women)-yes

Casaya(weirdo tribe)-Except for Bobdawg,no

La Mina-Hell no

Hiki-Yes(from what we could see)

Aitu(Latin tribe)-No

Aitu(Jonathans initial tribe)-No

Raro(Adams initial tribe)-No

Raro(post mutiny)-No

Ravu-No

Moto-No

NuMoto-No

NuRavu-Not at all

Fei Long-Depends.JR was strong,but so was everyone else

Zhan Hu-Apparently not

NuFei Long-No

NuZhan Hu-Yes

Malakal-No

Airai-Yes

NuMalakal-No

NuAirai-No

So obviously your wrong, unless you interpret it differently, but I think I'm mostly spot on. Certain tribes vote out the strong to insure their own survival. Should Chris have blown his brains out just so Brady could have advanced? Survivor is NOT a sporting event. Under your system it would be, and thats bullshit. It comes down to whether you want Survivor to be like a sport or not,most of us don't.It cheapens the whole point of the show. I like the microcosm aspect better.Survivor is primarily watched by people to be entertained and occasionally enthralled,but editing aside,Survivor is actually a good potrait of how human beings act.If it was just about Darwinism, it would be insulting the audiences intelligence. But I have to admit, you are partially right about the drop in viewers. People stoped watching once they realized that nobody was actually going to die on the show, and that the show was more about the internal politics of the castaways, and that the term "Survivor" was just a metaphor. I'm disapointed a little bit too actually,I wish there was still wild out there. And I have nothing against alpha players,they just need to back it up with the right stuff