Greg, Jenna, Gervase, Colleen, yes.
But Joel not only had a confessional, but the whole BB/Joel conflict was set up in this episode.
UTR1 or UTR2 for sure.
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I just watched episode 1 of Borneo and how the hell did Joel get an INV1????
Greg, Jenna, Gervase, Colleen, yes. But Joel not only had a confessional, but the whole BB/Joel conflict was set up in this episode. UTR1 or UTR2 for sure. |
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chapera rocks wrote: Yeah, I did VF charts for Borneo and I ended up getting rid of 7 of the 9 INVs, (Dirk ep2 and Colleen ep1 being the 2 I didn't change) I think I posted
the Chart I made in the "Edgic Charts" thread.
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Why is it every summer someone starts to whine about the S1 ratings? Bored perhaps.
I did the S1 ratings (partially as a test case when we moved to the 5 point rating system), I stand by them and KQ blessed them. Unfortunately the S1 thread got eaten during the great Sucks attack of 2005 (?-IIRC), or I would point you to that thread for the rationale for each of the ratings. In case you hadn't noticed, not everyone will agree on every rating. Even today there is not consensus on what constitutes an INV1 rating versus a UTR1 rating.
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I used Warrior's visibility system and Kelly had enough to have a strong 2 for ep. 2 (and no way is INV). I was thinking that if someone can be that off in
the visibility there, they could be off in other areas. I did VF charts for those seasons that didn't have
their V based on Warrior's system. Unfortunately, I lost all the excel spreadsheets when my computer crashed a few months ago, so I'm trying to locate
the notebooks where I did the sentence/confessional counts.
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You may want to look at the S1 thread that I just created.
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For Green Coffee I will just assume that this sort of stuff is inspired by the fact that you are going through a rough time right now, as I have not seen much of this snarky, presumptive, condescension from you, OTH. I sort of expect it from some, but rarely from you. I hope the stuff with your kids works out for you in the best way possible, as I know that family divisions are hard on all parties involved. Best of luck.
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I've been thinking about SPV and tone.
I've never paid much attention to SPV. As I understood it, the theory was that the winner would have a high incidence of SPV. But I don't think sceptic's tallies support that theory. It looks more like the quantity of a winner's SPV parallels the winner's profile for primary visibility--that is, it's not too much and not too little, but rather tends toward the mean. But what about SPV tone? There are no summary counts, but sceptic's week-by-week posts categorize SPV by P, neutral, and N. I suspect that tallies of SPV P/N might show patterns for some characters. Debates about tone frequently reflect how posters personally feel about characters. SPV tone, on the other hand, reflects choices by the editors. Could SPV be used to provide an objective (partial) component to tone ratings--the way Warrior's primary visibility counts provide an objective component to visibility ratings? Sceptic has some interesting insights into this question, which I'll share after getting her permission. |
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(flf posts from Timbuktu...)
Oo, I just had to respond. Eliza, Edgic is designed to pick the winner, not endgamers. There was no Edgic support for Jenn or Darrah or Denise or Butch or Natalie or Becky or Cassandra, etc. etc. Courtney's Edgic support was only from thatIn Edgic's posts immediately after Ep1 China, a number of us commented on the quality of Courtney's comments and character development. She reeked of late game story. It's true, the official goal of Edgic is the identity of the winner, asap. But, it's also become evident that we have learned to identify endgame players quicker than the winner. ![]() ![]() ![]()
And as far as Edgicers being swayed by my or anyone's picks, to quote Monty Python's Life of Brian, "Think for yourselves!" eta: Each season I warn posters not to follow my lead because I usually SUCK at Edgic. Some seem to think I'm making a self-deferential joke. ...Fools.
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Hey Edgicians :)
What's the meaning of them leaving out all of my jury questions? I just typed them up and thought you all might want to see them, so here they are! HERE ARE MY FINAL TRIBAL JURY QUESTIONS THAT WERE SUBSEQUENT TO MY SPEECH: After telling them that I didn't want to vote for either of them, I said: "So, as you may or may not know, Survivor used to have a final challenge that they called 'Fallen Comrades' which took place in front of the jury. It was essentially a 'how well do you know your jury?' kind of challenge. This is something that is crucial because these are the people who you have just voted off, some you have spent up to 38 days with, so you really should know these things, because I certainly do. It will show how much you actually listened to us, paid attention, and cared. I will ask three questions and whoever answers more of them correctly will receive my vote. We will go back and forth until all of the answers are exhausted." Then I began the challenge: First. Cirie has three sons. Name one of them. Amanda you first. (Note: They both stared at me blankly for a minute and then Amanda said, "Poodie" and Parvati said "Oh, I only knew Poodie, too." Jeff then intervened and said "Eliza, are you surprised?" I looked at him and said "Jeff, I am completely and totally shocked right now. I have known Cirie's son's names since DAY ONE, they are the most important people in her life and their pictures were on the t-shirt she wore every single day. Their names are John, Jamil, and Jared.") Second. Alexis has four brothers who mean the world to her. Aside from Nate, who came on the family visit, name one of them. (They both stared blankly at me, not able to name a SINGLE OTHER BROTHER of Alexis's. I said, their names are Zeke, Scott, and Josh and I'm appalled right now.) Third. Not that you're going to know this, but I live with my boyfriend and my puppy, they mean the world to me and I talked about them every day I was in the game. Name one of them. (Again, blank stares. NOTHING. So I said, "ONE OF THEM SHARES A NAME WITH SOMEONE ON THIS JURY, ARE YOU KIDDING ME??" And Amanda goes, "Oscar?" which is correct.) So then, I said, well I'm so disgusted at this point, I have no idea which of you I'm going to vote for, I'm just going to sit down. And Jeff turns to me and says, "But Eliza, don't you have a tie breaker question" and I said "Jeff, I don't even think it's worth asking at this point." And he said, "Why don't you just ask it?" So I did. I said "Fine. As you may know if you ever paid attention to me, politics and political awareness are extremely important to me. Name ANY three candidates for president, from any party." (Amanda looked at me so incredulously, it was as if I'd asked my question in Chinese. Parvati said, "Obama, Hillary, and . . . Oprah?" Everyone laughed. She then followed up with, "no, that other guy, the one you like Eliza." (Which would be John Edwards). Needless to say that was my question and it wasn't shown but I think it was VERY telling and I think that both Alexis and Cirie were pretty devastated by the answers given. |
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Eliza, you should have just asked them to pick a number between 1 and 2. I'm sure at least one of them would have been able to manage that task.
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Wasn't Amanda a supposed fan of the show to?
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...but I think it was VERY telling and I think that both Alexis and Cirie were pretty devastated by the answers given.Lol! TOO telling for the editors' "history-making female f-2"! Thanks for the transcript, Eliza. Damn, I was pulling for you, before the merge. No one has played the game with more heart ,(or attention-span, obviously.) |
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Thanks for sharing that funny story with us, Eliza... Sorry you didn't go longer in the game! :)
And they probably didn't want to show Parvati's unawareness of other people on the jury... that would make Parvati look bad when they were building up to her win. |
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Exactly. They needed to preserve the image of Parvati's supposedly great social game. The whole final tribal council was based around Amanda being
clueless as to how she was perceived, and Parvati being deceptive but socially adept.
That segment would have made Parvati look really bad. |
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Andy22 wrote: But as Eliza knows all too well from her first season, all you need to be is "better" than the person that you are sitting beside at the end. |
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RW: .
Lol... (sigh, I know. I still stuck with Vapidmanda in China. Even after this shot was left in.) |
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>_<
Man I wish they left Eliza's questions in. I loved Penny's question, and it's just like that, except more. I remember when there were rumors that a former female player would take Probst's hosting gig, and the names "Tina," "Kathy" and "Morasca" swirled about. Frankly I'd just like an excuse for Eliza to be on every season. |
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GretchenIsMyGod wrote: Awwwww. Thanks!!! :)
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fat little fingers wrote: Thanks guys. If I ever got sick of this place, I know I could never tear myself away because of all the people who participate in Edgic. I adore you guys. |
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Frankly, I'm glad that they did away with Fallen Comrades because it was a bunch of crap and eventually became telegraphed enough that it strongly
contributed to one person, Vecepia, winning because she prepared in advance for it and pretended to care about the people she was with when she didn't
really care about many of them. As, Richard Hatch pointed out to Colleen in Borneo, the game of Survivor is being cognizant of the relationships and bonds
that form between different contestants and not knowing the names of the contestants siblings. Admittedly, I don't think that Hatch was as bad as Parvati
and Amanda but Parvati hit it off with Alexis well considering she didn't know any of her brothers names.
Asking to name 3 candidates for President is about as relevant to the game of Survivor as Lisi asking Dreamz how many zeroes there are in one million or Dave asking Jenna/Matthew which leader that they most respect or Shane/Greg/Kelly asking the Final 2 to pick a number Face it Eliza, you were just bitter in Vanuatu and you were bitter in Micronesia because people who you felt were your inferiors (Twila, Parvati, Amanda) outplayed you.
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