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Screerider		#221	[-]
Posts: 22403 (08/07/08 11:45 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	We gots HIV here to though too. I guess it's a matter of percentages. You also get less penis cancer, less balanitis, less urithritis, etc., but the incidences of those are also small percentages, so you weigh the risks. If you ask me, though, when it comes to my penis, I don't want any of that shit happening AT ALL, so I'll take the reduction of the chance of getting some rare deal on it. I'm expecting my boys to feel the same way.
TexasBlues		#222	[-]
Posts: 5237 (08/07/08 12:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That's fair - and as a non-penis bearer, I can't say for sure how I would personally feel about being circumsized.
Reginald Lewis		#223	[-]
Posts: 651 (08/07/08 12:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Again I ask, why is it considered NORMAL for chix to get vaginoplasty to clean that shit up, but somehow it is MUTILATION to clean a wenis up? And trust me, NO ONE remembers the alleged pain. Being newborn is inherently traumatic and someone grabbing your cock and snipping at it is hardly going to be noticeable.
TexasBlues		#224	[-]
Posts: 5238 (08/07/08 12:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	[quote]Again I ask, why is it considered NORMAL for chix to get vaginoplasty to clean that shit up/[quote] Who the hell considers that normal?
Doobie Screw		#225	[-]
Posts: 161 (08/07/08 12:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The difference is that the kid doesn't have a choice. I don't care what men or women do with their genitals; whether circumcision, piercing, or whatever. Why not let your child make the decision for himself. Emphasizing proper condom use for your kid is a hell of a lot more effective against Aids or infection than circumcision. I assume the only real reason why Aids is more prevalent among the uncircumcised is that the penis is less "callused", and that the foreskin is fairly tender, resulting in more micro abrasions. Condoms remove this concern. Also, with proper hygiene the risk of nonsexual infection should be very low. If the kid grows up and decides that these relatively minor concerns are enough to warrant circumcision, then I don't have any problem with that. I think it's stupid, but I think a lot of things people do to their body are stupid, so to each their own.
Reginald Lewis		#226	[-]
Posts: 655 (08/07/08 12:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The bawling brat didnt have a CHOICE to be fucking borne! Adding incrementally to that by snipping some nasty shit off his wenis is hardly worth getting worked up about. If they could do cosmetic surgery at birth, who in their right mind wouldnt do so?
Endofthread		#227	[-]
Posts: 5158 (08/07/08 12:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Exactly. I think they should implant all chicks with fake breastesses at birth.
Screerider		#228	[-]
Posts: 22408 (08/07/08 12:55 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Circumcism later in life is more traumatic, and also shown to not provide the same reduction in penis cancer benefit. Plus there's that having to wash it thing, kids would have to learn. My eyes tear up at the thought of my baby boys suffering through a bout of balanitis. I think the HIV thing is that there's more folds for the virus to fester in, so a greater risk of catching it. But, yes, condoms. No one's saying "Get circumcized and you won't get AIDS".
annie normas butt		#229	[-]
Posts: 4373 (08/07/08 1:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I really don't get the cleaning issue at all. Assuming at an early age you teach your children to clean the their genitalia and rectum area, it's really not that big of a deal to retract the foreskin and clean that too. My son will be 18 this month, and never had an issue with his foreskin at all. And you're right...it's been shown to reduce the cases of AIDs in Africa when men are circumcised, but the only way to prevent it is to protect yourself....foreskin or not.
Reginald Lewis		#230	[-]
Posts: 658 (08/07/08 1:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	yeah like your teenager is gonna discuss his nasty ass cock with Mom
TexasBlues		#231	[-]
Posts: 5239 (08/07/08 1:22 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, she would certainly know if he had infections as a child or teenager, since she would have had to take him to the doctor.
Reginald Lewis		#232	[-]
Posts: 660 (08/07/08 1:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INFEXTIONS?? My point is no one on this planet cosmetically prefers uncut to cut. NO ONE. Should we leave the umbilical cord attached too? Is cutting the chord "MUTILATION"? REDICKULOUS!
NellB		#233	[-]
Posts: 441 (08/07/08 4:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Reginald Lewis wrote: WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INFEXTIONS?? My point is no one on this planet cosmetically prefers uncut to cut. NO ONE. Should we leave the umbilical cord attached too? Is cutting the chord "MUTILATION"? REDICKULOUS! Really? How do you know that? When I see a circumcised penis, all I can think is, "Oh, the poor thing got the end chopped off." People (babies especially) are beautiful the way nature designed them. And the umbilical cord will ultimately separate from both mother and child naturally. 1. Afterbirth 2. Umbilical cord dries up and falls off We just cut the cord so the baby doesn't have to cuddle up with its placenta anymore. P.S. LOL at "redickulous".
Reginald Lewis		#234	[-]
Posts: 674 (08/07/08 4:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	NellB wrote: People (babies especially) are beautiful the way nature designed them. <</blockquote> That is the most RETARD thing ever written at OT
NellB		#235	[-]
Posts: 442 (08/07/08 4:42 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Whatevs. At least I know how to use the quote function.
yukugajoob		#236	[-]
Posts: 806 (08/07/08 5:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	NellB wrote: Whatevs. At least I know how to use the quote function.
HoodooRhythmDevil		#237	[-]
Posts: 511 (08/07/08 6:56 PM) VM17 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Screerider wrote: Circumcism later in life is more traumatic, and also shown to not provide the same reduction in penis cancer benefit. Plus there's that having to wash it thing, kids would have to learn. My eyes tear up at the thought of my baby boys suffering through a bout of balanitis. I think the HIV thing is that there's more folds for the virus to fester in, so a greater risk of catching it. But, yes, condoms. No one's saying "Get circumcized and you won't get AIDS". Jesus, Scree...you can't possibly believe this shit, can you? Increased cancer risk from not being circumsized? "More folds" to catch the Aidses with? Damn, dude...I love you like a brother but this is just crazy talk. There is absolutely no hard data to back this shit up. No soup for you...
Onno		#238	[-]
Posts: 2224 (08/08/08 12:51 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The HIV thing is actually proven. Pretty sure its not because there's "more folds to fester in" http://www.aegis.org/news/bar/1999/br991108.html
chaperone		#239	[-]
Posts: 2521 (08/08/08 1:13 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Going through the pregnancy was filled with several ethical issues that fall into similar conundrums. One example was that we were told we had to have an amniotic test done to test for down syndrome (we skipped it). The test carries a risk of accidentally aborting the baby...all so we can see if we want to abort the baby? How do you feel about the moral equivalence between circumcision and involuntary accidental mutilations causing death? Needless and more commonplace than circumcision.
Screerider		#240	[-]
Posts: 22414 (08/08/08 10:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	HoodooRhythmDevil wrote: Increased cancer risk from not being circumsized? "More folds" to catch the Aidses with?Damn, dude...I love you like a brother but this is just crazy talk. There is absolutely no hard data to back this shit up. Well, I didn't say I knew for a fact why there was a reduced chance of catching HIV. Just seemed the obvious guess. And looking at these links, scientists are guessing too. The 2nd link gives 3 possibilities, and, yo, my guess is #3. I'll shoot for #1 next time (more Langerhans cells) or maybe #2 (tearing). WHO: http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/MCrecommendations_en.pdf CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/PDF/circumcision.pdf Glad I'm not more susceptible to tearing. Youch! As for cancer, even though they do suggest studies aren't conclusive, only suggestive, Pediatricians issued this statement anyway (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/pediatrics;103/3/686.pdf): Neonatal circumcision confers some protection from penile cancer; however, circumcision at a later age does not seem to confer the same level of protection. There is at least a threefold increased risk of penile cancer in uncircumcised men; phimosis, a condition that exists only in uncircumcised men, increases this risk further. And I'll admit Pediatricians aren't exactly unbiased on this topic. And they admit it might just go back to the hygeine issue.

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