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jhaphet wrote:

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Next predictions:

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Purple Rock
Clothes on your back

I guess the winner will be the 6 roadblock rule... oh, wait...
Top 5 Predictions:

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All Stars Return
Three Tribes
Past votes leave on a tie
Marquesas Step-on-a-disc switch
Winner: Merge at new camp

Was looking back at a couple things, and I saw these predictions. Damn. With more than 25 left, picking half of the top ten is not bad at all.


And thanks Oz for taking a shot at it.

craig wrote:

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I do think though that had she given up the cars, she may have survived one more round at most, but I also think that all five of them would have gotten their own car. So while some of you think this was a lose-lose for Cindy, I think it was a win-win because either way she would have gotten a car while finishing in about the same place.

I HATE that twist, even though it helped Danni win. Cindy would either look selfish or look like a fool when she got booted. Either get backlash for not giving people cars, or for making herself a popularity threat. Your assumption that Cindy would get a car anyway seems unjustified. When people choose to compete rather than eat, they don't give them food anyway.

As a 30 year old bachelor, it was damn easy for Matt to give up a visit from his mommy to make himself look good. I'd have hated to see an emotional person with a beloved spouse put in that siuation. Bad enough forcing the lonely deaf girl and the girl whose mom is dying of cancer to compete for a letter.

It didn't help Danni win at all because Cindy was screwed after Judd left. My assumption is because of not only Matt getting the reward, andbut the fact that there were five cars present. Yeah, I might be wrong, but whichever happens, it is the same effect as actually winning the car without the twist thrown into play. The car curse has lived on for a reason because people know that they have already won a car, so they don't need the million. Look at Sean, Ted, Matt, Burton, ect. It didn't affect the game at all.

But still, the main reason it is high is because of Amazon which was such a refreshing move after the letters incident. And come on, you really think it was easy for Matt to give up his reward that he rightfully won just because he'd be seing his mom? Does that mean you also sided with Terry being a douchebag over "the rock" argument in Exile?

craig wrote:

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Does that mean you also sided with Terry being a douchebag over "the rock" argument in Exile?

No, because I'd extent the point from married people to any sentimental person who was close to their family. It's mostly older bachelor types or hardboiled types (Matt, Rob M, Fairplay) for whom a family visit isn't a big deal.

Well, I thought Rob enjoyed his visit from his brother, and Fairplay's lie helped him see Thunder D for a day. Also, you do remember that Matt is nothing like anyone else who's ever been on the show, right? I don't think you can catagorize him with anyone else, and I think that he might have have thrown the challenge if he didn't care about seeing his mom. Not trying to be rude or anything, but there's no way you can judge someone on whether they're close with their family or not, especially without meeting them.

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I don't think the "car curse" has anything to do with resentment against people for winning an expensive prize. You know there is also a family visit curse, nobody who has won it has won the game either. A lot of that is coincidence. Though Gregg, Judd, and Alexis all got targted immediately after family visit wins forced them to coconut chop others (Gregg) or reveal their pecking order (Judd) or send adversaries to find the HII (Alexis).

Well, I know Jenna played up in the jury questioning that Matt was wealthy and won a car, and Ted was booted for being a challenge threat and winning the car. I mean, it's always in the back of their heads. Look why Carl was voted out of Africa, because he had money. Why were the winners targetted in All Stars? Stuff like that are examples. Winning a huge prize like that does affect how some players vote whether they admit it or not.

You bring up a good point that I hadn't thought of before; the Matt and Cindy situations really are completely incomparable. For Matt, he gives up a visit with his mom, but the fact is that its not like his mom is not gonna be there in the 6-7 days or however many were left in the game at that point. And he was a rather unemotional guy, I don't think it would have meant as much as say had Jenna won it. For Cindy, if she gives up the car she isn't guaranteed that she'll get anything. She's not guaranteed to suddenly have a car once the game ends should she give it away. For a person in her position, who got fired from their job to be on Survivor a brand new car is much, much harder to give up than what Matt did.

I said that Cindy had every reason to keep the car, but I still do like the twist because it rewarded Matt after he did something unselfish one episode after Jenna and Christy were fighting over the letter. I was happy that Cindy still got the car because she would have left at the next tribal council, but I still think that had she given them up, the producers would have had to do what they did in Amazon with Matt and give her a car, rewarding her nice gesture. There are very few twists in Survivor, if any others, that reward people for doing a good deed, and for that reason alone, I like this twist.

As far as seeing a loved one, I have to disagree. Matt was kind of a loner during Amazon. How do we know that he wasn't extremely close to his mom just because he's a thirty year old single guy? You can't assume something like that, and he made a difficult decision (not as difficult as Cindy's, but still) to give up his visit from home.


And the next update with probably be tomarrow, don't have enough time tonight.

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10. Reward winners "raid" enemy camp.


Seasons: Marquesas, Pearl Islands
Memorable Quote: " I think that's just nonsense, and I think it's bad sportsmanship for him, the little bastard, to indicate that we didn't, fair and square, win that challenge." -Andrew

In Marquesas, New Maraamu won, in a huge upset, reward. What they won, was the chance to pick up anything and everything from Rotu within two minutes. The shock on the arrogant Rotu's was great to see, but the reason this twist makes it so high is for being a full time twist in Pearl Islands. It's basically the exact same thing as in China except for the fact that the reward winners pick who goes from their tribe, to the opposite tribe. Oh, and they get to "loot" something, which I like a little more than just creating bonds with the other group. Here, they created bonds while pissing off the other tribe, haha. I don't even know if that makes sense, but it was entertaining nonetheless. Drake won the first reward challenge and decided to send Sandra over to Morgan. When she got there, she played nice, until she announced that she was stealing their tarp because let's just say Sandra wasn't the strongest person out there. In fact, she might be the worst challenge performer in the history of the show, so of course she was going to ask for help from the Morgan tribe to take their tarp. Think about how stupid that sounds for a second, then imagine the joy of watching Sandra get pissed off as she cursed out the Morgan's and trashed their camp on her way out, haha. It was a great moment to say the least.

Drake ended up winning reward four out of the five times, and it did start to kill Morgan's spirit losing challenge and neccessities around camp, but they started to gain confidence and win. Nothing that exciting happened the next few times, even though it was still great to see individuals from seperate tribes mingling, but the best moment from the twist happened in it's very last episode, number six. Drake won reward again, and, this time, they decided to send Fairplay himself to do what he does best and steal. Morgan is very sure to welcome him because they know that if they go into the merge down in numbers, they'd have to pull someone else into their group, so they let Little Jon (as Andrew called him) take a shower and enjoy himself. They all seemed to get along fine until the boat is about to pick Fairplay up, and he drops a huge bomb that Drake threw the fourth immunity challenge. It led to one discouraged tribe with a pissed off leader. Savage, then, gave an entertaining rant against Fairplay where he gets more pissed off the longer he talks (the memorable quote), and then, he makes Jon's words backfire when he single handily won the immunity challenge because he was so angry at what was said. This led to Fairplay losing his number one ally in Trish pre merge, but I'm happy he tried to kill their spirits just for the pure entertainment.














































9. Ability to give up individual immunity


Seasons: Marquesas-Micronesia
Memorable Quote: "I've lost my reign as dumbest Survivor ever!" -James

Who would have thought that such a stupid idea would give us some of the best tribal councils in the show's history? Nobody could have thought that this would make a difference in anything, right? Well, somebody believed in their idea, and it definitely has done it's part to keep the show entertaining.

Oh, and also, this didn't just make it to the top ten because of Micronesia. Nope, this twist has created great moment after another as early as Marquesas. Anyone remember the final five tribal council where Sean left? Well, that was maybe the best ever (non final TC) as shit hit the fan. Everyone was yelling at each other, no one knew what was going to happen, and on top of that, Sean kept begging Kathy to give up the immunity necklace which she was able to do because this twist was thrown into play at the merge. Would the tribal council have still been entertaining as hell without Kathy having the choice to give up immunity? Definitely, but it increased the drama significantly.

Fastforward to Amazon. What was the only way to guarrentee Jenna, Rob's new "goat", and Heidi safe? Give up immunity, right? Obviously. I think that she definitely knew Christy was leaving, but it was finally shown that this could be put to use in a good way, whether to impress the jury or something else, this kept the twist in the game for a while.

Pearl Islands, Burton had immunity already from the Outcast twist, but since he won, he was able to strengthen a bond with Rupert by keeping him safe. Nothing exciting here, but again, it wouldn't be possible without having the right to give the necklace up.

Final nine tribal council in All Stars, another incident where Kathy was a main focal point with someone begging for immunity. We saw hypocritical Lex, himself, pretty much cry because Kathy listened to him when Lex told her that she shouldn't give up immunity. Either way, this was one of the most emotional tribal councils ever, and it showed us that some people need to learn that reverse psychology doesn't always work. Oh, and also that everyone is playing for themselves, not for freaking Lex.

Move forward to Fiji, the most dispicable move ever by Dreamz. He made a deal to give up immunity had he won it at the final 4. Well, he won it, and he made his son proud by stealing a car and lying to Yau Man of all people. Again, this deal would not have took place had a twist like this been thrown into play.

Two seasons later in Micronesia, Erik makes the single worst move in Survivor history by being a complete dumbass. He gave immunity up to Natalie, and she said it best in her voting confessional, "I don't even know what to say...but thank you." This had to be one of the funniest tribal councils ever, and it saved us one more episode of the great Natalie. Even if you didn't like the twist before this season, no one can hate on the twist after seeing the final 5 tribal council in Micronesia.

Results of this twist have been great on the entertainment side of things, but I can't rank it any higher because, not only was it such a stupid idea, but it helped create the most disturbing thing to ever happen on Survivor with Dreamz and the car. I still have no idea how anyone could be so stupid and think this would actually affect the game, but whoever suggested it deserves a big raise.

What do you guys think of these last two? Too low? Too high? Too something else?