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Posts: 8416 (09/01/08 1:59 AM) Registered User |
I am so mad about the poor dog!!!
Loved the final image of Don reflected in two mirrors. Loved Hot Peggy. Does anyone else note how Don speaks to Betsy the same way he does to his staff? |
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Posts: 1516 (09/01/08 7:07 AM) Registered user |
Loved Hot Peggy.I loved how Pete shot daggers at Hot Peggy. I think that Don got kind of freaked out about Betsy because she KNEW he didn't like women to talk while he was trying to concentrate, and that's something that all the women he likes to screw seem to know. |
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Posts: 133 (09/01/08 7:23 AM) Registered user |
I just love, love, love this show! This episode was so jam packed that I actually sat straight through the encore presentation to do a "gut check" to
see if my first impressions were right.
The whole episode was about the Madonna/Whore split - for both the men and the women. And it was carried out on so many levels that it was just mindblowing. Note the change in the "boytoy" from the stable when Betty's children appear (she instantly morphs from object of lust to Mom for him), the bra campaign (Jackie/Marilyn...hell, even the president was guilty!), the interactions between Don/Bobbi and Don/daughter and Don/Betty...when his daughter said in all innocence "I won't talk" it literally split Don in two to hear his sweet little girl echo the sentiments that he had uttered earlier in bed with Bobbi. Also - think of the bikini scene with Betty, the splitting of the secretaries into one camp or another by the creative staff, Joan ('nuf said!), Don's internal struggle as he starts to bed Bobbi and then is stopped dead in his tracks when he realizes that he has a "reputation" - it's the struggle between his desire to be good and his need to be bad. Don want's to hold a moral high ground even when he's giving in to his "baser" desires. Heck, even Duck's casting off of the dog - the innocent in his relationship with his family. And let's not even get started with Peggy! There were just so many references... The 60's were the start of the sexual revolution - we're really starting to see the shit hit the fan. |
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Posts: 6486 (09/01/08 7:35 AM) |
I was curious about the term 'connosseiur' in regards to Don's sexual tastes. Does that imply S&M? I seem to remember reading something
somewhere sometime that the term 'connossieur' was the 'polite' term for those who play in that realm.
And then you see the anger just under the surface with Don and his women. And then his daughter and the bathroom when she said, "I'll stop talking" and Don has a moment - no sound, no noise...I'm wondering if he's having a flashback that we're just not seeing. I would not be surprised if Don has some skeletons in his closet - namely other women he's tied up and hurt. With his upbringing, the madonna/whore deal, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Who knows? Maybe in his trek from his abusive childhood, he's left a few bodies in his wake. Weiner wrote Sopranos, right? Tony started off as a likeable/tragic figure and then morphed into the monster that Melfi mentioned in the first season with "Don't ever forget...this man's a monster." I'm wondering if we're going to see the same type of character arc with Don Draper. BUT STILL A GREAT EPISODE. Oh - and I hope Duck kills himself. |
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trinity17888 |
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Posts: 502 (09/01/08 10:20 AM) Registered User |
MommyRuns wrote:Lots of mirror images this epsiode that I noticed. Pete coming home late at night and looking in the mirror, but happy/satisfied/smug with his reflection. Don, on the other hand, looking in a mirror and seeing a face he recognizes, but doesn't think of as his own... seeing 'Dick' looking back at him. Then the split to two mirrors and two images of Don at the end... brilliant! |
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Posts: 32965 (09/01/08 10:45 AM) Registered user |
I was BAWLING about that poor doggie but the smackdown Don put on Betty about that bikini was almost as bad.
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GlamsSlam |
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Posts: 2825 (09/01/08 11:02 AM) Registered User |
Well this episode brought it for me.. The Duality of our Lives...
up to this point I kept thinking "why is Don banging Bobbi?" I have never thought he even liked her... he doesn't.. he is full of rage and anger and she is the perfect person to direct it on.. he had real love for Miriam and he even cared for the boho chick which is why he left when he realized she was in love with someone else.. he hates bobbi... but man he hates women, period. Why the fuck was Betty wearing a goddamn bikini to breakfast and then say "I didn't know that" when he told her that she looked like a tart.. that Bitch is highly aware of her sexuality.. the fuller brush man, the car repair dude, the varying husbands who have hit on her and we see that with Jerry Lewis next week and of course pony boy.... the woman is full on manipulative nuts.. it just bugs her the one man she wants doesn't want her... everyone has that "relationship" and the more they reject you the more you want them. God when the little girl knew Daddy didn't dig talking. christ.... that is humiliating although frankly I loathe Bobbi and would have gagged and her left her tied up...of course that husband of hers is going to revenge that.. they seem like a freak couple who know exactly what the other is up to.... (btw John Hamm has great legs) And not enough ROGER... and Duck can be killed right now by me.. that fucking nut fuck.. HATE him... shit I am starting to like Pete.. no wait Pete is NUTS too... the whole I think a dog is great let's get one for the office.. I will say before Duck went nuts he knew that was INSANE.. god what an insecure loser.. and he is in love with Peggy. He wants someone so desperately to talk to him and more importantly LISTEN to him... no one does.... And for those who want to see Peggy the actress she is on Broadway in Speed the Plow this season as the "secretary" the role Madonna did the first time.... I suspect she will be a better actress. The promo photos are amazing and she is what Peggy should be .. Joan was right about that. |
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Posts: 1517 (09/01/08 11:46 AM) Registered user |
(btw John Hamm has great legs) I kept praying for that stupid towel to just drop already. Oh, BTW, he probably hates women because his mom was a "whore" and she dumped him off at religious freaktards' shack and deserted him, or something like that. |
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Posts: 421 (09/01/08 1:03 PM) |
I loved how Pete shot daggers at Hot Peggy. Yeah, I was just praying for her to shoot them right back at him instead of lowering her head in shame. Too bad she's not quite there yet. |
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Posts: 2477 (09/01/08 2:34 PM) Registered User |
I had to tell my wife that a dog like that would be snatched right up in about 10 minutes so I'm sure he would have turned out just fine.
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Naked Paul |
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Posts: 31 (09/01/08 4:45 PM) Registered User |
maxxfisher wrote:I feel better now :) But Duck can still fuck off! |
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Posts: 3214 (09/01/08 5:38 PM) Registered user |
This may be wishful thinking, but I have a funny feeling Duck is going to be the office's first suicide.
I couldn't decide if it was bad or good writing, the way Betsy kept asking Don "What do you want?" It was a little heavy-handed for a usually very subtle show. But it paid off for me with the ending. Don saw in his little girl's eyes the unfettered admiration she had for him when he stood as a military man at the luncheon. That's a girl that will grow up to want to marry a good man, a noble man. However, the girl who knows that Daddy doesn't want to be talked to, i.e., accessed, is the girl who will grow up to be Bobby, whoring herself in search of the Daddy who wasn't emotionally available. It's as if, when Don looked in the mirror at the end, he had a real awareness of the cycle of pain & confusion he would cause his daughter throughout her life.
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Posts: 8418 (09/01/08 8:46 PM) Registered User |
In the "Previously on Mad Men" they felt they needed to remind us that Pete can't knock his wife up, then that never really came into
play in the episode. I am guessing he knocks up the model chick; good idea introducing us to her "old world" mother.
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Posts: 20036 (09/01/08 8:54 PM) Registered user |
I thought the ending scene was about Don's shame that he's not nearly the hero that his adoring daughter thinks he is.
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Posts: 1520 (09/01/08 8:59 PM) Registered user |
In the "Previously on Mad Men" they felt they needed to remind us that Pete can't knock his wife up, then that never really came into play in the episode. I am guessing he knocks up the model chick; good idea introducing us to her "old world" mother.How cool would it be if all Pete's baby mamas would get together and whup up on his skanky ass? |
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Posts: 3218 (09/01/08 9:03 PM) Registered user |
PAPAYOKE wrote:I definitely think that's true. But it was the 'not talking' part that echoed his command to Bobby, which triggered a realization in him. So I think in addition to the fall from hero stature, Don D is seeing the dark legacy of his remoteness. And it did seem like the model may have been setting Pete up for quick paternity.
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Posts: 20039 (09/01/08 9:11 PM) Registered user |
Did he say 'not talking' to Betty? I thought he said it to Bobbi, but that probably emphasizes your point.
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Posts: 503 (09/01/08 9:30 PM) Registered User |
PAPAYOKE wrote:Not only is he not a hero, he's a deserter, since he assumed Don Draper's identity, although the realization of not being a hero was probably triggered by Sally saying, "I won't talk, daddy." Same thing he said to Bobbi. He was also extremely uncomfortable (great acting!) during the Memorial Day Country Club scene when asked to stand and saw Sally looking up with adoration in her eyes. He certainly can't accept Sally's unquestioning love if he doesn't know who he is. |
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Posts: 3903 (09/01/08 9:56 PM) Lazy ass bitch, please |
GlamsSlam wrote:His words were, "It's desperate." I think the implication is not the same as calling her a tart, and it gives her "I didn't know that," response a different meaning. What's wrong with her being aware of her sexuality? |
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Posts: 3904 (09/01/08 9:58 PM) Lazy ass bitch, please |
maxxfisher wrote:I gasped out loud at that scene and was briefly mortified, and then figured the same as you. Some New Yorker grabbed him up and made him their own. |
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