S-17 Edgic (editing and logic) Gabon

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chaperone		#2301	[-]
Posts: 2558 (11/07/08 7:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'd say if Ken or Randy wins we should still eat pie. For the record, I wasn't really a supporter of Marcus. (OK, ok, I was a support of ACE so I'm not looking any better right now...) My wife said to me in the middle of the episode "Marcus is getting voted out" and I sat there and said "no he's not, he's the winner." Ha. We all need to keep up our sense of humor and our analytics. Randy for the win!
Cassidy666		#2302	[-]
Posts: 9144 (11/07/08 8:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The whole point of dicussing things is to question edits in a rigorous way. I like the discussion more when it's like that. Posting statements of open opinion in a thoughtful manner is more welcoming than just declaring things definitively like they were facts. And posting in block letters is actually not actually a very convincing way of arguing anything.
Jedijake		#2303	[-]
Posts: 5302 (11/07/08 8:34 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Could we be seeing the complete demise of the original Kota tribe? It would be the first of its kind in a LONG time (since Marquesas?) And to think that Sugar may be the last remaining member. The only thing bad about the demise of Kota is that it means someone like Susie lasts a while. Matty, Randy, Crystal, Kenny-that wouldn't be a bad final 4 actually. Although I can see them keeping Corinne around as the "bitch" factor and easy to beat final 2 partner.
guatemala fanfic		#2304	[-]
Posts: 3918 (11/07/08 8:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Obviously we couldn't have known, but it almost seems like Player Watchdogs would have been a good idea this season because theoretically Kenny's and Matty's Watchdogs (and Randy's) would be keeping us reminded that those edits were still Edgically viable when everyone was focusing so much on Marcus. I'll admit that, even though I had Kenny as a contender after Episode 2, I just lost sight of him for 2 or 3 episodes before realizing that he wasn't eliminated and that he still seemed like a possible contender and having a Watchdog keeping track of that might have been helpful.
colleenlover		#2305	[-]
Posts: 8685 (11/07/08 8:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Matty's winning. Confessional before opening credits talking about Eden. In episode six, after GC left, he makes a ring for his girlfriend to then swears on her life to Ace -cloes-up on the handshake. He is shown making an alliance before the swap that blows up in his face; he's just "trying to get out of the ghetto", last episode he calls his remaining troops all survivors. He gets the elephant scene. I thought before his whole storyline was about trying his best and just the bad luck of Fang and going out ala Austin. rewatching the past episodes, I believe Matty wins -final three is Matty, Sugar and either Crystal or Ken.
Oowatanite		#2306	[-]
Posts: 6253 (11/07/08 8:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ignore the troll SwineDickBitch. His well deserved subnic "I need a hobby" says it all. And he got this subnic very shortly after he first infected this board. He has a ghostnic named frimley and if you're ever out exploring some other Sucks threads you might come across the two nics "arguing" with each other. It's very funny in a schizophrenic way. Astro, if you want winner speculation with "everyone being free to go in their own direction now" then you're in the wrong thread. There are plenty of spec threads in the former Spoilers section of Sucks for you to immerse yourself in. You should particularly enjoy interacting with a poster named Apple, as you both share the same understanding about editing and Edgic. You can take your silly "Corinne wins" BS over there now.
BlakeB717		#2307	[-]
Posts: 1090 (11/07/08 8:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Apple? LOL is Vanessa back???!!!
Oowatanite		#2308	[-]
Posts: 6254 (11/07/08 8:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	guatemala fanfic wrote: Obviously we couldn't have known, but it almost seems like Player Watchdogs would have been a good idea this season because theoretically Kenny's and Matty's Watchdogs (and Randy's) would be keeping us reminded that those edits were still Edgically viable when everyone was focusing so much on Marcus. I'll admit that, even though I had Kenny as a contender after Episode 2, I just lost sight of him for 2 or 3 episodes before realizing that he wasn't eliminated and that he still seemed like a possible contender and having a Watchdog keeping track of that might have been helpful. gf, player watchdogs would not have prevented nearly everyone backing a Marcus win from early on. Marcus had by far the best Edgic edit and it was very similar to the edits received by Earl and Yul and Todd and Aras. So we all thought "here we go again, another obvious winner". Kudos to the editors for the false winner edit, and kudos to the editors for last episode's suspenseful edit of "who's going to TC". Both tribes were shown having detailed plans for a possible trip to TC and, for once, the IC winning tribe was not obvious. P.S. I would not be surprised at all if next season there was an "obvious winner edit" that turned out to be correct. Or not.
SwineForkbeard		#2309	[-]
Posts: 1854 (11/07/08 8:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	pastordice wrote: To those who have stopped in just to revel in the perceived failure of others, shame on you. Your parents should have raised you better (or maybe I ought to say should be raising). From here on out you are ignored, until you learn some manners. ROFLMAO! Edgic has been brutally exposed, and all you can do is lamely and pompously scold your critics for their meanness. Getting all holier-than-thou is the last refuge of the discredited. I believe that edgic's validity is directly correlative to how well it withstands scrutiny and criticism. So you should welcome all critics for doubting your analysis and testing your faith. Ignoring them will only strengthen their scepticism. Edgic is not broken or disproved. Those who claim this just haven't spent enough time with us here. There are as many posts in the first 100 pages mentioning that others are still viable edgic candidates as there are that said that Marcus was the only one. Ok, the first step in salvaging edgic's credibility will be letting go of all the bullshit excuses and revisionist history. "Edgic principles" said Marcus would win, and "edgic principles" got it wrong. If that doesn't break or disprove edgic, then what would? To try to save face by bringing up how some have posted that someone other than Marcus might win as well will get you nowhere. Anybody can win, in theory. Anybody. Acknowledging that simple fact does not mean that you have accomplished anything, and if somebody has proposed other winning candidates, then it's pretty much a certainty that somebody will be end up being right. If you'd be more realistic and honest about edgic's limitations, you wouldn't have to aplogize for it so much in situations like this. It's like with Uri Gellar; if he'd just admit that he's a charlatan and doesn't have any supernatural powers, he'd get alot more respect from his detractors. There are two ways you can redeem yourself: 1. Tell me who's going to win, without any qualifiers or hedging of bets, or 2. Admit you don't know.
Oowatanite		#2310	[-]
Posts: 6255 (11/07/08 8:55 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BlakeB717 wrote: Apple? LOL is Vanessa back???!!! *Shhhhhhhh !!!!*
guatemala fanfic		#2311	[-]
Posts: 3919 (11/07/08 9:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	gf, player watchdogs would not have prevented nearly everyone backing a Marcus win from early on. Marcus had by far the best Edgic edit and it was very similar to the edits received by Earl and Yul and Todd and Aras. So we all thought "here we go again, another obvious winner". Right, that's exactly what I thought of Marcus' edit too and I'm not suggesting that it would have changed a majority of people's views (Marcus definitely had the best Edgic edit), but at least it would have kept one person watching those edits and maybe they wouldn't have been quite as overlooked. But you're right, Marcus would have still been the best choice by far (and rightly, in my opinion).
astroline		#2312	[-]
Posts: 1590 (11/07/08 9:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Oowatanite wrote: Astro, if you want winner speculation with "everyone being free to go in their own direction now" then you're in the wrong thread. There are plenty of spec threads in the former Spoilers section of Sucks for you to immerse yourself in. You should particularly enjoy interacting with a poster named Apple, as you both share the same understanding about editing and Edgic. You can take your silly "Corinne wins" BS over there now. Take your snobbiness and your complaints elsewhere. Did you post ratings yet? Or winner picks? No? Then stop judging me for mine until you can actually come up with your own. I'll stick with Corinne all I want. It's only logical. After Marcus, she's been my most consistent #2 pick through this season. Oh look, now Marcus is gone, and I'm not convinced the winner comes from Kenny / Matty / Randy yet, so for now I'm sticking with Corinne. Maybe you should take some time out of your busy non-participatory, snobby, complaining (and/or bitching) schedule on here and read some of Panurge's posts. He actually knows his shit. Thanks.
Casey333		#2313	[-]
Posts: 66 (11/07/08 9:28 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Swine, edgic is just a game. It's trying to solve a puzzle. Like doing the daily crossword or watching Jeopardy. I don't know why some people take edgic failure (or success) so personally. Just because a few edgicers go around proclaiming edgic's infallibility doesn't mean everyone who posts in this thread feels that way. Most people do edgic because it's FUN. It's a hobby. Sometimes edgic gets it right, sometimes not. Heck, it would get pretty stale if edgic was right 100% of the time. The occasional Danni or Marcus misfire forces edgic to constantly evolve and change. It keeps things fresh. Gloat if you want, but that's not going to stop people from analyzing the editing on the show. Like cl said, even if edgic didn't exist there would still be a thread to discuss editing and storytelling. Your beef seems to be that edgic is making claims to always know the right answer. But it's only a minority of edgicers who claim to be right all the time. Most people in this thread are just having fun trying to make a winner pick. If we get it wrong, so be it. The sun will still rise tomorrow morning.
Thailandsurvivor		#2314	[-]
Posts: 2724 (11/07/08 9:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	NickF227 wrote: Thailandsurvivor wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Plus, we can use the technicality that Edgic is supposed to pick our winner by the merge, and since the merge has yet to happen, we still weren't technically wrong >_> And we can use the technicality that Edgic isn't supposed to flip out when someone says Marcus won't win. OMG, I remember like one of the heads of this screaming when someone voted for Marcus not winning. Go person who said Marcus wasn't winning last episode! <3 I don't know whether or not this is sarcastic, but if it is there's a whole thread in Sucks where I explained (or more argued since I kept being told that I was wrong. I now understand why it was such an obvious and predictible season with the Kota leader winning) how Marcus is not even close to past four winners in terms of hogging air time and doing shit. I actually kept forgetting that he was even in the game until he won immunity at the double boot. Earl, Yul, and Parv, on the other hand were always carrying giant billboards saying that they were the winners. It's cool if you guys are happy with him leaving if that opens up other possibilities, but the possibilities were always there. Hey, at least now I won't have to worry about being spoiled if I decide to come in here again. I don't know much about edgic or whether it's BS or not, but just because Marcus is a boring as hell alpha male doesn't make him the automatic winner. (I know that's not how you guys all came to that conclusion, but I'm not going to read the entire thread to find out.)
SFC		#2315	[-]
Posts: 488 (11/07/08 9:48 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Do you think that with Marcus being on the Jury, Charlie has a jury connection. He won't win, but do you think that could mean Charlie is in the Final 3/2?
Oowatanite		#2316	[-]
Posts: 6258 (11/07/08 9:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	astroline wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Astro, if you want winner speculation with "everyone being free to go in their own direction now" then you're in the wrong thread. There are plenty of spec threads in the former Spoilers section of Sucks for you to immerse yourself in. You should particularly enjoy interacting with a poster named Apple, as you both share the same understanding about editing and Edgic. You can take your silly "Corinne wins" BS over there now. Take your snobbiness and your complaints elsewhere. Did you post ratings yet? Or winner picks? No? Then stop judging me for mine until you can actually come up with your own. I'll stick with Corinne all I want. It's only logical. After Marcus, she's been my most consistent #2 pick through this season. Oh look, now Marcus is gone, and I'm not convinced the winner comes from Kenny / Matty / Randy yet, so for now I'm sticking with Corinne. Maybe you should take some time out of your busy non-participatory, snobby, complaining (and/or bitching) schedule on here and read some of Panurge's posts. He actually knows his shit. Thanks. Uh, dumbass ? I've already made my winner picks earlier today - Kenny, then Matty. No one else. You're sticking with Corinne ? Great. Have fun cheering her on. But if she's your Edgic pick, prepare to be mocked further. By me and by others. Your Corinne pick is right up there with your Cassandra pick in Fiji. DELUSIONAL. And Panurge doesn't know shit. I'll agree that he pops in once in a while to stir up shit. But his Corinne analysis is pure shit. I could make up similar shit about Susie winning. Or Bob. Or Charlie. But it's a waste of time.
YemaGrl1988		#2317	[-]
Posts: 2688 (11/07/08 9:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Cassandra was a better pick than Alexis...
NickF227		#2318	[-]
Posts: 5073 (11/07/08 9:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thailandsurvivor wrote: NickF227 wrote: Thailandsurvivor wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Plus, we can use the technicality that Edgic is supposed to pick our winner by the merge, and since the merge has yet to happen, we still weren't technically wrong >_> And we can use the technicality that Edgic isn't supposed to flip out when someone says Marcus won't win. OMG, I remember like one of the heads of this screaming when someone voted for Marcus not winning. Go person who said Marcus wasn't winning last episode! <3 I don't know whether or not this is sarcastic, but if it is there's a whole thread in Sucks where I explained (or more argued since I kept being told that I was wrong. I now understand why it was such an obvious and predictible season with the Kota leader winning) how Marcus is not even close to past four winners in terms of hogging air time and doing shit. I actually kept forgetting that he was even in the game until he won immunity at the double boot. Earl, Yul, and Parv, on the other hand were always carrying giant billboards saying that they were the winners. It's cool if you guys are happy with him leaving if that opens up other possibilities, but the possibilities were always there. Hey, at least now I won't have to worry about being spoiled if I decide to come in here again. I don't know much about edgic or whether it's BS or not, but just because Marcus is a boring as hell alpha male doesn't make him the automatic winner. (I know that's not how you guys all came to that conclusion, but I'm not going to read the entire thread to find out.) Yeah, it was serious. I only pop in here time to time to win. And Oo, get off your high horse. Kthnx, it's not cool. Oh, and stop saying Marcus had the exact same edit as Aras/Earl/Yul Things those 3 had after the first 4 episodes that Marcus did not: A UTR Tone A visibility above 3 A visibility below 3 (Todd has all of these except tone if you extend the episodes to 5.) ETA: YEMAGRLOWNAGE!!!! <3
Thailandsurvivor		#2319	[-]
Posts: 2726 (11/07/08 10:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, it was serious. I only pop in here time to time to win. Oh, alright. Thanks. Last Edited By: Thailandsurvivor 11/07/08 10:27 PM. Edited 1 times.
Phoenix1269		#2320	[-]
Posts: 262 (11/07/08 10:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	in light of recent events and for those who may wish to review previous episodes before making winners picks, I'd be happy to extend the voting site to Monday at 8:00 pm. Let me know if anyone would like more time... thanks.

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