Has anyone asked her if she ever watched "Angel"?
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StatelyWayneManor |
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The writer said she never watched "Buffy".
Has anyone asked her if she ever watched "Angel"? |
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Shagnanigans |
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I skimmed the books at the library. Fucking religious anti-sex propaganda is what it is. I read the fourth book all the way through because it was supposed to
be a very different book, and it sort of is which is why many fans hate it.
spoiler- they fuck in the fourth one. But not until they're married. |
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StarringAmy |
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I saw it tonight, and I thought it was funny.
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bluesboi |
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A friend of mine described it as Degrassi High with vampires.
As I am already hooked on True Blood, this seems like it would be a disapointment. |
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pinoyako |
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Twilight is teh sex. <3
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Viking Pete |
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the author is Mormon. underlying message to teenagers is abstinence from sex. i speak no lies.
you're welcome. |
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bluesboi |
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How can you have a vampire story without sex?
Seriously. |
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Viking Pete |
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you have to read between the lines. he falls in love with her...but has to resist "taking" her because of that love. otherwise she's just another
meal.
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bluesboi |
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that ain't sexy.
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meatball77 |
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No, he doesn't take her because he "respects" her too much. It's the Mormon thing, no sex before marriage. Oh, and don't forget the whole
lifemate forever thing. The whole thing has veiled Mormon values and mythology turned into vampireness.
I've been reading other books about teenage vampires and they're much better than twilight. More action, better mythology behind the vamps and less creepy relationships. Bella and Edwards relationship isn't exactly a good model relationship for your teens. You don't want your kid in a relationship with someone that's a controlling jerk like Edward is. |
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zippityboomboom |
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Give me the Sookie Stackhouse books any day over Twilight. I want my smut, dammit.
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bluesboi |
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zippityboomboom wrote: X X X |
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victalac |
here ya go!! | ||
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In a way I feel like the only teenage girl who really disliked this book and isn't head-over-heels for Edward Cullen and his God-like perfection. While I
am perfectly aware that this is a YA novel and should be treated as such, even YA deserves some good ol' criticism sometimes. After all, nobody feels bad
about ripping apart the Harry Potter books in a review, and they are aimed at an even younger audience.
Twilight could very well be the epitome of Mary Sue fiction. It read like something you would find on a fanfiction website and is clear from the very first chapter. Bella Swan, the main character, moves to Forks, Washington, a city that seems to constantly be under siege by rain. She, of course, does not want to be here. She's not fond of her father; she misses her mother, but decides to make a great sacrifice by moving so her mother can travel with her baseball-playing boyfriend while Bella finishes school. From there the author blesses us with lines like: "Now my horrific day tomorrow would be just that much less dreadful.", and "It wasn't just physically that I'd never fit in. And if I couldn't find a niche in a school with three thousand people, what were my chances here?". If you haven't already guessed, Bella's life is terrible because she's shy. However, when she steps foot inside the school, despite her being oh-so depressed, cynical and stricken with a social phobia, she has already made a horde a friends and has boys on her tail, even if she isn't physically appealing. Still in the first chapter, she spots a family of flawless, gorgeous human beings. Here we meet the Cullen family- Edward Cullen in particular. Naturally, she is enchanted by them. Poor Bella finds that, by the power of cliché coincidence, she sits next to said Cullen in Biology. This is where the magic begins. To make a long story short, her life is saved by Edward, she finds out he is a vampire and boom! They're in love. Madly, deeply in love. No suspense and no build-up at all. It just happens. All within the first few chapters. The rest of the book? Lots of smiling, glaring and explanations about Edward's gorgeous eyes, hair, smell and affection. Every time we see him, Bella comments on how his clothes bring out the muscular shape of his body and about his "beautiful crooked smile". Only within the last pages of the book do you get an exciting (which is up to interpretation) story that includes an antagonist. The first 400-some pages were as bland as bland can be. The real fun is with the characters. They have no depth. They're almost laughable. - Bella is beautiful but doesn't believe that she is, despite the fact that she has a vampire and the entire male population of her school drooling over her. Meyer tried to make her a strong heroine, but didn't quite make it. While she may write reports about misogyny in Shakespearean works, she also cooks and cleans for her lazy father who expects nothing less from her and follows Edward's every word religiously with no second thoughts. - Edward is a brooding, angsty vampire with no flaws, perfect hair, beautiful eyes and a body to die for. Enough said. - Edward's family members are cheerful (except for Rosalie. I think she was the only character I liked, because she was snarky and real) and, once again, flawless. I finished the book and came online to see what other people had to say about it only to find that it had a rather large fanbase and tons of perfect reviews. There's nothing wrong with that, of course. Different strokes for different folks as they say. I'm just a bit surprised that it is popular in some of the communities it is popular in- fanfiction writers who scoff at the idea of Mary Sue characters, for example, as if Bella and Edward can be excluded from this. On the positive side, Stephanie Meyer has an interesting perspective on vampires: the fact that they can't sleep and some of the special abilities she gave them that not all vampires have and so on. Then again, she also made them glittery in the sunlight. I've heard there are a lot of grammatical and spelling mistakes in Twilight, but I did not notice them so I can't comment on it. I have poor grammar myself, so it is not as noticeable to me as it is to some people. *shrug* |
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Mandie |
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meatball77 wrote:Which ones have you been reading? I really love the Vampire Academy series. To me, the forbidden relationship in that one is MUCH more dangerous than Bella and Edward's. Sure, Edward wants her blood, but he really never acted like he would consider killing her except in ch1 of Midnight Sun. The thing about Vampire Academy is that the society forbids the romance, and I just love that. Shadow Kiss is my favorite YA vampire book thus far, though I do adore Twilight, much to this thread's dismay, I'm sure. I read book 1 in the House of Night series. I didn't like it as much, mostly because it was an alternative contemporary universe and I prefer my paranormal books to exist in our current world but remain hidden. That's a personal thing. I also found Zoey annoying. I also read Evernight. I liked that one better, interesting switch up on the lore, though I was seriously annoyed that the twist that comes at the beginning of Act 2 is purposely and deceptively hidden from the reader by withholding vital info when we were in the protagonist's head and we should be privvy to everything she knows. So that irked me. I have Blue Bloods on my shelf but I haven't read it yet. I have learned I love teen vampire romances, so I'm embracing it. I've tried faeries and zombies, but they don't do it for me. |
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Mandie |
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victalac wrote:The Mary Sue thing really takes off in Breaking Dawn. I get the feeling that Stephenie Meyer is stubborn and wouldn't accept her editor's suggestions. Bella does have Mary Sue tendencies in the earlier books, but NOTHING compared to her unrealistic transformation in Breaking Dawn. It should be called Breaking Character. As far as the grammar, this is usually not the author's fault. Usually typos are hand corrected and even if the author catches them, mistakes can be made once it's out of an author's hand. |
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sadllama |
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At least in Buffy Whedon was able to come up for a reason why they couldn't have sex (even though they eventually did). So this entire series is a not so
cleverly veiled attempt at preaching abstinence to teenage girls?
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Mandie |
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sadllama wrote: From what I understand, even Meyer's editor wanted her to include sex in one of the early books, but Meyer refused. It's her own personal agenda, for sure. I personally think Breaking Dawn could have been so much better if... |
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meatball77 |
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I just finished Blue Bloods. It was good. Kind of gossip girl meets vampires.
Marked gets better once you make it through the first book. It takes a long time for the mythology to make sense. It takes place in my hometown so I might have liked it more because of that and the hits on the "people of faith" entertained me. Loved the VA books. She's got some other books I'm thinking about trying. Much better action. I'm thinking about trying the southern vampire series. |
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McWolcott |
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zippityboomboom wrote: Couldn't agree more. |
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Mandie |
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Summit just sent out an email green lighting New Moon.
The main reason I've been reluctant to pick up Blue Bloods is because I prefer 1st person to 3rd person. I like the mystery of being inside only one person's head. But I've heard good things about it, and everyone seems super excited about the 3rd one which I think just came out? I do plan on sticking with the House of Night series, esp since I know the movie rights sold a few days ago. I am getting a kindle for the holidays, and I have the ebooks of the other three so I'm waiting to read until I can put them on there. I don't watch True Blood because it's too violent for me, but a lot of people love it plus the Southern vampires. I try to read exclusively in YA since that's the genre I write and it often messes me up when I read books with adult characters, but these do sound interesting. I met the editor of these books at a conference over the summer and her passion for the project intrigued me. |
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