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S-17 Edgic (editing and logic) Gabon

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NickF227		#3581	[-]
Posts: 5204 (11/29/08 01:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Go ads naked Remove this ad BlakeB717 wrote: A male wins. BlackB just spoiled that Sugar and/or Crystal get sex changes by the reunion.
7neves7		#3582	[-]
Posts: 2797 (11/29/08 01:58 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	What do you mean Matty doesn't have important game comments? Matty has had important confessionals at very crucial moments of the game. He had an intro (along with Crystal) on the first episode, he commented on the situation of the first tribe switch. He expressed his fears and doubts when Kenny chose Kelly. Matty has commented on the garden of eden, not once, but twice. Once in the intro and once whenever they were debating whether they should go for the idol at the feast. Whenever the tribes switched the second time, the editors made it clear that Matty would be in trouble if the immunity challenge was lost. Doubt about Kenny was planted once again when Matty confronted Sugar about how Kenny lied about Ace and the idol. Lets also not forget that Matty has been give a well rounded and crafted edit with personal information about his life. He was shown making a ring for his girlfriend and commenting on how she is the most important person in his life. Matty also had a very CRUCIAL confessional when they commented on the elephants near their camp. Gabon is a season where the nature and wildlife is a focal point of the season, so for a character to comment on the wildlife situation definatly deserves a flag. IMO, Matty is the clear frontrunner. It is so obvious that the endgame involves, Crystal, Ken, Matty, and Sugar. There has been so much manipulation with these four. Matty, Randy, Susie, and Dan were the original Fang 4 that had control. Ken, Crystal, and GC were on the outs. We have never seen what agreement that Ken, Crystal, and Matty have formed after the original tribes switched. We do know that at one point, Matty mentioned to Ace that Matty has Ken and Ace has Sugar. So much attention has been directed towards the gamer Ken, and his ally Crystal that Matty is being hidden to us. We also have Sugar, who is being obviously edited to be this loveable character. It is pretty clear that she is hated by Corrine and Randy. I would wager a bet that she is also hated by Charlie and Marcus, it just hasn't been shown. My bets are going with a Matty, Sugar, Crystal final 3. Matty is going to win in a landslide by locking up the Kota 4 votes.
Phoenix1269		#3583	[-]
Posts: 325 (11/29/08 02:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I agree with 7neves7 and Getting Real (and gr...yeah, that was me regarding the greed scenario... i am more convinced than ever that the shown presence of arrogance & greed is not a good thing this season. After all, the Garden of Eden was for those who are innocent... after they succumbed to greed and ate from the tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve get kicked out...) Anyway.. 7n's and GR's posts are everything i wanted to say about matty. I have felt for some time now that the THEME of this game is a much larger character than previous seasons. For a player to be linked to the theme the way Matty has is a huge editing choice that cannot be overlooked. The only other comparisons that i can think of that are similar (although maybe not as large in scope) are Todd (Art of War) and Yul (racial division commentary).... especially Yul. Even though I was fanning on Ozzy, i knew that Yul's edit was better simply because he had comments about the racial division, he had personal stories from childhood about how racism personally affected him, etc.... One last thing about Matty.... i think the way he talks makes people not LISTEN to the CONTENT of what he is saying. His speaking patterns are so relaxed and casual, i think it's easy to miss when he says something important. ie. "I finally solidify my alliance and, wham...we get switched up. Man, what a buzzkill" vs. "I finally solidify my alliance, and then... I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.... a tribal swap. I am so mad! Now i have to start all over again. I am so frustrated!" They mean the same thing... and i think that as a comment on the tribal swap, it's pretty important.... it's a solid comment on how the tribal swap affected Matty. The editors choose what to put in, but they can't change the tone and cadence and quality of how a person talks... they just have to trust that we will see the thoughts behind the words. I picked matty at the merge and i'm sticking to him. I've already had the gut wrenching doubt that he CANNOT MAKE IT.... I've cursed myself for my bad edgic pick... I'm ready for next week, so that i can continue to torture myself with how much i suck at edgic! PS> Happy Birthday OTH! PPS Happy Thanksgiving to all the American Edgicers... i hope it was/is a good time!
round peg		#3584	[-]
Posts: 112 (11/29/08 03:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BLAKEB717 YOU ARE FUCKING MORON WHY WOULD MAKE SUCH CLAIMS WHEN YOU CAN END UP LOOKING LIKE A RETARD. REMEMBER YOU SAYING "CRYSTAL WILL BE IGNORED IN THE RECAP" AND SHE WAS NOT!!. DONT COUNT SUGAR AND CRYSTAL OUT BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF MATTY/KEN/SUGAR/CRYSTAL HAS FLAWS IN THE EDIT JUST BECAUSE YOU DISLIKE THEM DOES NOT MEAN YOU AND OTHER BITTER BITCHES SHOULD TRY AND SMEAR CAMPAIGN THERE RATINGS TO FIT YOUR AGENDA .....FUCK YOU!!!!
Polyester Bear		#3585	[-]
Posts: 1118 (11/29/08 03:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	round peg wrote: BLAKEB717 YOU ARE FUCKING MORON WHY WOULD MAKE SUCH CLAIMS WHEN YOU CAN END UP LOOKING LIKE A RETARD. REMEMBER YOU SAYING "CRYSTAL WILL BE IGNORED IN THE RECAP" AND SHE WAS NOT!!. DONT COUNT SUGAR AND CRYSTAL OUT BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF MATTY/KEN/SUGAR/CRYSTAL HAS FLAWS IN THE EDIT JUST BECAUSE YOU DISLIKE THEM DOES NOT MEAN YOU AND OTHER BITTER BITCHES SHOULD TRY AND SMEAR CAMPAIGN THERE RATINGS TO FIT YOUR AGENDA .....FUCK YOU!!!! what
round peg		#3586	[-]
Posts: 113 (11/29/08 03:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm talking about him saying a male wins because he hates Crystal and Sugar
OnlyTheHunter		#3587	[-]
Posts: 1869 (11/29/08 04:19 PM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Phoenix said PS> Happy Birthday OTH! Thank you! I'm just chillin' today. I'll try to contribute to Edgic but have family visiting til Monday so we'll see before then. Michael
fat little fingers		#3588	[-]
Posts: 5759 (11/29/08 05:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Haven't had time for my usual show-and-tell, multi-media presentation. But, here's what I get after two watches: As some have noted: - The original Fang were referred to as the Underdogs. (Kenny was the first to use the term in his opening premier conf.) - Bob, somehow, gets lumped with them instead of with the Onions. Matty is the Good Guy. And, no, he's not winning. The repeat of his confessional that he's feeling hopeless and that Kota is better than Fang is not winner talk. Crystal's negatives were downplayed a bit. My take on Sugar's edit last episode is right on. (nyah, nyah!) I agree that Corinne's comment about her vote for Sugar gives even more credence to Sugar being in the final 2. Kenny was not neglected in the recrap. Probst again referred to how he'd grown. Kenny's lie to Sugar was Outwit-Outplay more than anything else. I see Sugar and Kenny sitting side by side at the Finale. Kenny wins.
colleenlover		#3589	[-]
Posts: 8835 (11/29/08 05:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ugh, I don't know! It's so frustrating -rewatching a bunch of the older episodes, and Matty's stuff is so strong about scope -the ring for his girlfriend, GC quitting juxtaposed with him, not going to break his word for a million dollars "not five million dollars..." the elephant, Eden. the final three I think is Sugar and Crystal -just don't know whether it's Matty or Kenny as the third and most likely winner. granted, I think the most crucial scene has still been the Clean Slate scene with Sugar's "welcome to the game." With Matty ironically calling the other three "survivors" and him being the winner, or foreshadowing those three "survivors" are the final three and he's saying good job.
getting real		#3590	[-]
Posts: 1395 (11/29/08 05:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Go ads naked Remove this ad Phoenix said: Anyway.. 7n's and GR's posts are everything i wanted to say about matty. I have felt for some time now that the THEME of this game is a much larger character than previous seasons. For a player to be linked to the theme the way Matty has is a huge editing choice that cannot be overlooked. The only other comparisons that i can think of that are similar (although maybe not as large in scope) are Todd (Art of War) and Yul (racial division commentary).... especially Yul. Even though I was fanning on Ozzy, i knew that Yul's edit was better simply because he had comments about the racial division, he had personal stories from childhood about how racism personally affected him, etc.... Very good point about themes sometimes having a more significant role in some seasons than others, Phoenix. You could tell from the start that this was going to be one of those seasons. Interestingly, (and someone will probably correct me here) I think the personal childhood reactions from Yul only came in the recap episode. All the more reason to pay attention to this recap and its emboldened editorializing. The way they've set up beat us up over the head about this season, it will be a huge disappointment for the audience if one of Matty, Sugar and Bob doesn't win. We know that Bob doesn't, we know that Sugar probably doesn't, so Matty it is.
tropical rain		#3591	[-]
Posts: 329 (11/29/08 05:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Anyway.. 7n's and GR's posts are everything i wanted to say about matty. I have felt for some time now that the THEME of this game is a much larger character than previous seasons. For a player to be linked to the theme the way Matty has is a huge editing choice that cannot be overlooked. The only other comparisons that i can think of that are similar (although maybe not as large in scope) are Todd (Art of War) and Yul (racial division commentary).... especially Yul. Even though I was fanning on Ozzy, i knew that Yul's edit was better simply because he had comments about the racial division, he had personal stories from childhood about how racism personally affected him, etc.... I agree. Along with some people, I've been saying Matty has won ever since Marcus has been gone... With Ken second. We'll see, I think they're both in really good spots and it's a tough call this year.
OnlyTheHunter		#3592	[-]
Posts: 1870 (11/29/08 06:15 PM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts	gr said The way they've set up beat us up over the head about this season, it will be a huge disappointment for the audience if one of Matty, Sugar and Bob doesn't win. We know that Bob doesn't, we know that Sugar probably doesn't, so Matty it is. Nope. Maybe your feelings were different, but my example is the EI season. You had Terry or Cirie set up to please a significant portion of the audience, and I was diappointed with Danielle and (gag) Aras. That's why flf posted exacted the same way I feel - Kenny sits as the winner, Sugar's loss is coming into view, and Crystal / Susie sits there. Matty is going fifth, the same time Sugar plays her idol. I've speculated that since Matty said it, and until I get proven wrong, it still makes sense to me. I also want to think that Crystal wins the last IC but a Sugar/Crystal/Kenny (or Matty) would be the first time a F3 has 3 real players in it, as opposed to a Susie. I'm sticking with Kenny. A Kenny or Matty win is backed up by Edgic, my take is that Kenny makes more sense. Anyone not seeing his usage in the recap ought to rewatch. Not that I put much stock in them, but the highlighted points for him were precisely the right ones to show. Michael
craig		#3593	[-]
Posts: 14388 (11/29/08 06:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	in terms of telling us what we're supposed to feel, I can't escape the feeling that they are doing this to make the end satisfying in regards to what the story is trying to sell about what/who is good or bad. I think the winner will be good (Matty) or maybe evil (Crystal, Corinne), not someone who doesn't fit into that matrix (Kenny). Cook Islands was the last time we were hit over the head with a good vs evil theme, and Aitu good guys were top 2. When a hardcore strategist wins the season is often edited as smart vs dumb. This season has been about strategic players being foiled by twists and non-rational players (Sugar). After Yul, Todd, and Parvati, doesn't we just expect a strategist will win? (not an Ethan type). I've downgraded Matty because of the Ozzy analogy for awhile, but he's been shown as strategizing more than Ozzy and he wasn't negative early on for throwing a challenge. More important, Kenny isn't Yul. No FLF, the fact that they saved material for the Recap that could have given Sugar a M doesn't mean she deserved or was intended to be M last episode. Also, I don't see Matty recognizing the superiority of Kota to Fang as bad for him. Editing says Fang sucks, and we should feel bad for good Matty being separated from his ep.3 alliance all alone on the dumbass tribe. If Sugar plays with her heart - she gives the win to Matty If Sugar succumbs to "evil" and plays hardcore - she gives the win to Crystal or Corrinne. She has both emotional and game reasons for booting Kenny before F3. The Recap concluded by saying it's about Good Matty vs Evil Corinne, with Sugar in the Middle.
JFRX		#3594	[-]
Posts: 70 (11/29/08 07:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Too all those looking to jump on the Matty bandwagon after watching the recap: If Matty had such a great winners edit in the recap episode, then why weren't these scenes edited into the actual show? If anything, the fact that Matty looks so good in the recap shows that the editors intentionally cut lots of his good stuff from the normal episodes and shoved it into the recap, implying that he is not actually the winner, and the editors simply used the opportunity of the recap to develop his character (because he wasn't very developed in the normal episodes). Kenny, on the other hand, didn't really get too much 'extra' attention in the recap that wasn't already seen on the actual show. This would seem to suggest that we've already seen most of Kenny's best scenes. Furthermore, the editorialising of what they did show (such as ignoring the Kenny-Charlie revenge subplot and simplifying Ken's decisions to show his journey from the stupid boy who picked Kelly to the grown man who united the underdogs) is exacly what we would expect for a winner. Kenny was such a standout in the merge episode, that most of Edgic didn't think he had enough doubt. However, surely being UTR in the Randy-Sugar episode and being underemphasised in the Recap so that we consider Crystal, Matty and Sugar as strong contenders for the win constitutes this doubt as we now approach the endgame, with only a few episodes to go.
colleenlover		#3595	[-]
Posts: 8836 (11/29/08 07:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Crystal is not played as evil -just trying to pull through. You have to rewatch -she gets the sympathetic music all the way. The recaps haven't been trashing Fang -just setting them up as people who can't get their act together -Probst even has an inserted voiceover when Ace foils thier close immunity win before Kelly goes -"And if you continue to act as individuals..." is a complete insert most likely added in post production. I don't know if I'm on the Matty bandwagon -and it certainly wouldn't be based solely on the recap. yes, Kenny has a lot of material -but to me the only manipulated story character moments are the termite scene and the stuck boat scene. The rest seem more based on his actual shaping of the game. Matty has added almost nothing to the game yet has been given so much weight.
Phoenix1269		#3596	[-]
Posts: 327 (11/29/08 07:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JFRX wrote: Too all those looking to jump on the Matty bandwagon after watching the recap: If Matty had such a great winners edit in the recap episode, then why weren't these scenes edited into the actual show? If anything, the fact that Matty looks so good in the recap shows that the editors intentionally cut lots of his good stuff from the normal episodes and shoved it into the recap, implying that he is not actually the winner, and the editors simply used the opportunity of the recap to develop his character (because he wasn't very developed in the normal episodes). Kenny, on the other hand, didn't really get too much 'extra' attention in the recap that wasn't already seen on the actual show. This would seem to suggest that we've already seen most of Kenny's best scenes. Furthermore, the editorialising of what they did show (such as ignoring the Kenny-Charlie revenge subplot and simplifying Ken's decisions to show his journey from the stupid boy who picked Kelly to the grown man who united the underdogs) is exacly what we would expect for a winner. Kenny was such a standout in the merge episode, that most of Edgic didn't think he had enough doubt. However, surely being UTR in the Randy-Sugar episode and being underemphasised in the Recap so that we consider Crystal, Matty and Sugar as strong contenders for the win constitutes this doubt as we now approach the endgame, with only a few episodes to go. the only extra scenes from Matty were the leeches scene and the singing to his girlfriend (excluding the video application hoo haa). Everything else featuring Matty was a repeat. The difference between Ken and Matty... is that Matty's whole journey was summarized for us, with some extra meat, where Ken's was basically... barely a just the facts, ma'am.
SFC		#3597	[-]
Posts: 502 (11/29/08 08:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I was looking at the old Fiji Edgic thread and saw a post by FLF and it was one of the picture recaps, however these pictures were somehow replaced with ones from Gabon, and if you read the text with some of the new pictures quite a few of of them actually still make sense. http://survivorsucks.yuku...c-editing-and-logic-.html
ncassaro		#3598	[-]
Posts: 356 (11/29/08 10:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SFC wrote: I was looking at the old Fiji Edgic thread and saw a post by FLF and it was one of the picture recaps, however these pictures were somehow replaced with ones from Gabon, and if you read the text with some of the new pictures quite a few of of them actually still make sense. http://survivorsucks.yuku...c-editing-and-logic-.html ROFLMAO! God, Dreamz sucked. Thank God GC didn't make it to F3.
ncassaro		#3599	[-]
Posts: 357 (11/29/08 10:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	colleenlover wrote: Crystal is not played as evil -just trying to pull through. You have to rewatch -she gets the sympathetic music all the way. The recaps haven't been trashing Fang -just setting them up as people who can't get their act together -Probst even has an inserted voiceover when Ace foils thier close immunity win before Kelly goes -"And if you continue to act as individuals..." is a complete insert most likely added in post production. I don't know if I'm on the Matty bandwagon -and it certainly wouldn't be based solely on the recap. yes, Kenny has a lot of material -but to me the only manipulated story character moments are the termite scene and the stuck boat scene. The rest seem more based on his actual shaping of the game. Matty has added almost nothing to the game yet has been given so much weight. I dunno whether to agree or disagree here. Crystal in the Ace/Dan boot episode was a resounding N. It seemed that she had given up and was the new GC. Since then, she had a great CP in the Marcus boot episode and has been mostly UTR since then. It's a bizarre edit..... and I just dunno what the intention behind it is.
colleenlover		#3600	[-]
Posts: 8837 (11/29/08 11:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Go ads naked Remove this ad I just rewatched this one -she wasn't negative. She did bad things in real life that was reported in which you the viewer are led to make your decision. The comments on her were based on the reality of the situation that could not be avoided- ie. Matty being fed up. And editing had an insert about complexity from Crystal concerned she would be perceived as GC and she doesn't ever want to be a quitter. To me, a manipulation in negative or positive is based on inserted shots, music cues- Kelly in the hammock is a perfect example, jerri hammering the stake in outback, Lis's praise of Rodger with flowery music, Rupert dreaming about his wife. With Crystal she did these things, they were unavoidable issues -the vote, the discussion in TC; tweaking of reporting, not an agenda for tone. Does that make sense? She's being crafted for certain, but the agenda isn't caught up in the positive or the negative -more about her suffering, her struggles and no one getting anything past her -"you can't outwit Crystal Cox, baby." I don't think we'll be seeing the stage set up for a bad guy with her -I think that will fall more on Kenny once Corrine leaves.

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