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menelaus |
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I wouldn't even rank him over Ethan, Ethan made two strong strategic moves, Bob made none. As far as challenges are concerned, Ethan never needed them
because of his meatshield Lex.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6569 (12/15/08 09:46 AM) Registered user |
You're right. Actually, yeah, Bob is probably the least strategic winner ever. |
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survivorcreep |
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1. Sandra
2. Tina 3. Jenna 4. Richard 5. Vecepia 6. Parvati 7. Brian 8. Aras 9. Chris 10. Yul 11. Todd 12. Danni 13. Ethan 14. Earl 15 Bob 16. Amber 17. Tom |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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The dude even admited he let others do the thinking for him and that he outwitted and outplayed no one. There might have been other winners just as usless but none of them were stupid enough to admit it to the jury and during multiple questions even. I don't even think it is even debateable gameplay wise he is the worst winner ever. Likeability wise though he isn't bad as a couple of them. |
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PJMichaelangelo |
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I've never understood why people are so quick to discredit UTR as a credible strategy. Each season has its own mix of different people which requires a
different strategy. Bob said in his RNO interview that his strategy was to not be strategic. He felt that if he let others take the lead then they'd take
the hits and he would get further in the game. And he was absolutely right. His strategy worked for him. Would it work every season? No. But it worked
with this mix of people. What's the best strategy? The one that gets you a million dollars. And it's going to be different every season.
Hatch's strategy won't work every season. Hedik's strategy won't work every season. Parvati's strategy won't work every season.
Sometimes you gotta be Vee or Sandra to win. And while you may think their win wasn't as good as Brian or Hatch's, guess what? Their million spends
just the same.
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fireballinsky |
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01. Richard 02. Danni 03. Jenna 04. Tom 05. Tina 06. Parvati 07. Brian 08. Ethan 09. Sandra 10. Earl 11. Aras 12. Yul 13. Todd 14. Bob 15. Chris 16. Vecepia 17. Amber |
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Katy Carney |
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17. Bob.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6580 (12/15/08 11:34 AM) Registered user |
PJMichaelangelo wrote: Any stratagy that leads to a win is legitimate in my book. Every winner must be "under the radar" at some point in their game, but those who are defined by their UTR qualities implies that they have no talent in influencing events. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: Bob influenced things, he just didn't own up to it. He saved his ass at eight by making the fake idol and he led to Ken/Crystal being booted with the second fake idol revealing them as the schemers they really are. Sure, he needed immunity, but that was because his initial alliance got owned, and of that alliance, he was the only one with enough social game to stick around. Plus, at the final 4, he basically got Sugar to save him via that kind personality. |
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Thailandsurvivor |
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Under the radaras a strategy means that someone is not a target. That's it. Brian Heidik was under the radar as he was never in danger of leaving. Bob
wasn't under the radar after the merge because he needed some of those immunity wins to survive.
If you're talking about under the radar in terms of editing, then it is just someone who the editors use less or don't show planning strategy. Nothing else to it. Doesn't mean they arn't playing the game at all, though. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6585 (12/15/08 11:52 AM) Registered user |
Thailandsurvivor wrote: Exactly KittyPryde1 wrote: Bob influenced things, he just didn't own up to it. He saved his ass at eight by making the fake idol and he led to Ken/Crystal being booted with the second fake idol revealing them as the schemers they really are. Sure, he needed immunity, but that was because his initial alliance got owned, and of that alliance, he was the only one with enough social game to stick around. Plus, at the final 4, he basically got Sugar to save him via that kind personality The fake idol at 8 had absolutly no relevance on Bobs game, all the blame was placed on Sugar. The second one, yes, that was clever. However, it seems that it was more due to Ken being concerned with removing threats than making a cohesive endgame plan. His immunities are counted as good play, that is why I initially ranked him above Ethan and Amber. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: The fake idol and Bob's going along with it to humiliate Randy were what saved Bob at eight. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6587 (12/15/08 12:00 PM) Registered user |
How? I'm not follwing you.
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: Bob was the target, but because he had the fake idol and could use it against Randy, they kept him around. Ken even said it last episode, that they should've taken Bob out then instead of Randy, but Randy was hated. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6589 (12/15/08 12:16 PM) Registered user |
So Bob convinced the Fang majority to keep him so they would be able to humilate Randy? |
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Fart Party |
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1. Todd
2. Parvati 3. Hatch 4. Chris 5. Yul 6. Aras 7. Sandra 8. Earl 9. Brian 10. Danni 11. Tina 12. Ethan 13. Bob 14. Tom 15. Jenna 16. Amber 17. Vecepia not much significance to the order other than top 10 are closer to what I consider bigger all around game players, the other ones were more one-dimensional |
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Katy Carney |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: No. Sugar told Bob that she would keep him if he agreed to humiliate Randy and he said "ok". |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6591 (12/15/08 12:21 PM) Registered user |
Than it was an emotional decision that kept him around, which sinks his ranking even further. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Katy Carney wrote: Because of the idol that Bob made. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6592 (12/15/08 12:24 PM) Registered user |
Kitty Pryde1 wrote: So he made the idol deliberatly to use as leverage then? |
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