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VentDeMilo		#181	[-]
Posts: 2427 (01/12/09 11:47 PM) Dept of Redundant Threads Dept Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nope. If no twist, Susie would not have flipped. Why? She'd stay with the team until she can make her move, to flip at later stage. Besides, the flip would only create 5 vs 5 and if Fang lost, she'd be next cause Kotas would be pissed at her. The twist was suspecious all along. Charlie, question 2....did you guys ever question or ask to see the bag??
Thailandsurvivor		#182	[-]
Posts: 4490 (01/12/09 11:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	VentDeMilo wrote: Nope. If no twist, Susie would not have flipped. Why? She'd stay with the team until she can make her move, to flip at later stage. Besides, the flip would only create 5 vs 5 and if Fang lost, she'd be next cause Kotas would be pissed at her. The twist was suspecious all along. Fang had the idol, and Kota would have to tell Susie who was getting votes if they wanted her on their side. You lose.
Thailandsurvivor		#183	[-]
Posts: 4491 (01/12/09 11:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: I love how people say Susie would have switched when no one has any idea what Susie would do as she was invisible through most of the season and didn't even have a strategy until the end. Would she force a tie just so she could be at the bottom of a different alliance? Would she risk people finding out and voting her out? What does Susie look like? Even more absurd is the idea that Sugar would break her back to help out Kenny and Crystal (the two people she fucked over in the end anyway) and use her idol. Especially since Matty, her "brother", wasn't close to Crystal and Kenny and was ready to flip on them the entire game. And of course Bob, her "father", was aligned with the opposite alliance. Susie said in her thread that she was switching either way. Believe it or not, some people don't like being treated like shit.
menelaus		#184	[-]
Posts: 240 (01/12/09 11:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Or if Marcus wins immunity they can take the risk, feed false information that it's matty, and then vote ken. That give them a 4/7 chance to take control, given PROD, or Susie flips back not wanting to risk it. But pretty much nothing was certain once Dan was booted. Dan would have probably stayed with Kota, since he wasn't savvy at all.
Katy Carney		#185	[-]
Posts: 3455 (01/12/09 11:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: Susie said in her thread that she was switching either way. Believe it or not, some people don't like being treated like shit. Which is why she hated Ken and Crystal, your favos. Even WITH Susie (and I don't trust "I would have done X!" after they've seen edited information from the show anyway) AND Sugar (if they could get her) AND if Matty didn't flip like he wanted to the ENTIRE GAME. It would have been 5-5. So even with ALL THOSE IFS, Sugar would have to have used her idol. Which she would have been stupid to do, given that she could use it later on much more efficiently and more dramatically. And we all know that was her purpose in the game.
Thailandsurvivor		#186	[-]
Posts: 4494 (01/13/09 12:03 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not having this argument again. The onions screwed themselves over, it had nothing to do with the twist. Read here if you want to be proven wrong. http://survivorsucks.com/topic/40723
chapera rocks		#187	[-]
Posts: 10219 (01/13/09 12:12 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Which is why she hated Ken and Crystal, your favos. Even WITH Susie (and I don't trust "I would have done X!" after they've seen edited information from the show anyway) AND Sugar (if they could get her) AND if Matty didn't flip like he wanted to the ENTIRE GAME. It would have been 5-5. So even with ALL THOSE IFS, Sugar would have to have used her idol. Which she would have been stupid to do, given that she could use it later on much more efficiently and more dramatically. And we all know that was her purpose in the game There is so much wrong with this: 1. She never said she hated anyone. 2. We can trust what she says a lot more than your assumptions. 3. They had Sugar. 4. Matty didn't vote with them at 9 did he? 5. Matty didn't vote with them at 8 did he? 6. Matty didn't vote with them at 7 did he? Therefore, Matty was not flipping. 7. Sugar had the idol, so despite it being 5-5, onions are still at a disadvantage, NOT Fang. 8. It wouldn't be beneficial for Sugar to keep her idol and let her side get pagonged, only to use it and save herself once and still be outnumbered.
Katy Carney		#188	[-]
Posts: 3457 (01/13/09 12:19 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chapera rocks wrote: There is so much wrong with this: 1. She never said she hated anyone. 2. We can trust what she says a lot more than your assumptions. 3. They had Sugar. 4. Matty didn't vote with them at 9 did he? 5. Matty didn't vote with them at 8 did he? 6. Matty didn't vote with them at 7 did he? Therefore, Matty was not flipping. 7. Sugar had the idol, so despite it being 5-5, onions are still at a disadvantage, NOT Fang. 8. It wouldn't be beneficial for Sugar to keep her idol and let her side get pagonged, only to use it and save herself once and still be outnumbered. 1. Sugar said Susie hated Crystal and didn't trust Ken. 2. You can trust that she knows what the editing implied she SHOULD do. 3. Who had Sugar? Crystal, Ken and Matty? Nobody ever had Sugar. Not Ace. Not Crystal or Ken. Not Matty. Didn't she prove that over and over again? 4-6. Of course not. Why would he do that? Switching sides to vote with a minority is a much different strategy than switching sides to avoid a tie or being a target. And also, YES, Matty did turn on them with a quickness. 7. Again, SUGAR had the idol. NOT FANG. Sugar was not loyal to Fang. Sugar completely destroyed Fang in favor of Kota (Bob). So...no. 8. Not using the idol in the 5-5 scenario ≠ waiting to get Pagonged. Besides, Sugar wasn't interested in winning or playing smart. She was interested in being part of a compelling story. Using the idol to save herself or someone else against impossible odds > POTENTIALLY, POSSIBLY resolving a tie breaker.
craig		#189	[-]
Posts: 14716 (01/13/09 12:22 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sugar liked Marcus, maybe even more than Charlie and Bob. He was another good guy alpha male that she liked. She did NOT look happy to see him gone at the F9 RC. Being stuck with the two Onions she hated during the merge switch solidifed her anti-Onion position. Merge at F10, Marcus works her, Ken twists her arm to vote Marcus, the outcome is uncertain. We saw that she wasn't a loyal Fang at the end.
VentDeMilo		#190	[-]
Posts: 2428 (01/13/09 1:12 AM) Dept of Redundant Threads Dept Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: VentDeMilo wrote: Nope. If no twist, Susie would not have flipped. Why? She'd stay with the team until she can make her move, to flip at later stage. Besides, the flip would only create 5 vs 5 and if Fang lost, she'd be next cause Kotas would be pissed at her. The twist was suspecious all along. Fang had the idol, and Kota would have to tell Susie who was getting votes if they wanted her on their side. You lose. You are wrong! These people are not dumb. They can sense if Susie is flipping, and besides, there are 5 of them, it's not easy to guess who they are targetting. And why'd Sugar want to give up her HI? You are wrong, now get lost.
MJSLawrence		#191	[-]
Posts: 2111 (01/13/09 1:53 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Sugar liked Marcus, maybe even more than Charlie and Bob. He was another good guy alpha male that she liked. She did NOT look happy to see him gone at the F9 RC. Being stuck with the two Onions she hated during the merge switch solidifed her anti-Onion position. Merge at F10, Marcus works her, Ken twists her arm to vote Marcus, the outcome is uncertain. We saw that she wasn't a loyal Fang at the end. Sugar would likely have bowed out willingly at fifth or sixth with the Onions had Randy not been a part of that alliance...I LOVED that those were the two standing Onions in the merge...Randy and Corinne were easily the most entertaining players the entire season... I TOTALLY get why Charlie loved them...I would have too... It was just one of those seasons Charlie where you guys had it all worked out and could've just as easily made the end...but Snoozie and a couple of twists just got in the way...if I couldn't see Corinne/Randy in the finals then I wanted to see Sugar so it worked out either way... Which raises the Q...why did you guys not feel Sugar deserved it even a little bit, whether you liked her or not??? She was the determining swing vote in some of the biggest votes of the season, had the idol and ran the whole second half of the season...whether she was a mactress or not I thought you Onions had the brains and maturity to base it on game play in the end...disappointing...
ExileIslander		#192	[-]
Posts: 167 (01/13/09 2:27 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chazychaz wrote: AussieOriginal wrote: (Sorry for the outburst) But why'd you all treat Crystal so badly at Ponderosa?? Good question. When Crystal got voted off, I only knew her from her performances at tribal council where she came off really mean-spirited and offensive. And she had really crossed and hurt some of the people who i was close with. I am a very loyal friend and given that Crystal didn't come off as a nice person at tribal, I didn't feel bad keeping my distance from her. But there was no need to give her the silent treatment and I realized that soon after she arrived and I was perfectly friendly with her. I actually really liked Crystal from the little I hung out with her at the finale--we laughed about how she petrified me with her frightening stare. I regret being unfriendly to her for her first day at Ponderosa--but one thing I learned from Survivor is that simply saying sorry does not make our past mistakes go away. So, I take it as a life lesson and try to be a better a person. Crystal and Kenny were very excited to talk about the game at Ponderosa. My head had spun in circles for over 30 days thinking about the game...and by the time Kenny and Crystal arrived at Ponderosa, I was more interested in talking about life, family, movies, books, etc. than the dynamics in the game for my own sanity...so, I never engaged Kenny or Crystal in a conversation about the game at Ponderosa because it seemed very negative at that time to me. I wanted to focuse on the positive aspects of the experience as we transitioned back to real life. So, I spent my days running with Marcus and Corinne, watching movies, swimming and avoiding rehashing the game. It was time to move on for me! I understood their desire to talk about the game and it definitely made sense since they made it so far and everyone comes out of the game in their own way...I just didn't want to be a part of that for my own mental health:) Good post. Glad you came to your senses and was nice to Crystal after that first day at Ponderosa. But until then, when I saw your Ponderosa comment about being worried about upsetting Corinne and Marcus if you were civil to her, despite knowing how childish it was, I couldn't believe it. So I'm glad that you got over that crap. I saw that Randy eventually too spoke to her. My question is this: after seeing the show, and seeing all the venom that Corinne was spewing forth about so many people, the absolute hate she had for anyone she didn't like - did that change your opinion of her? You said that you're a very loyal friend, and tht's great - so am I, but I just would not choose to be around anyone with that much negativity. Second question - Marcus came off as being very entitled, smug and well... not very likeable. I know all about negative edits etc, but he seems to be very condescending, and further, he seems to have no clue about it. (Probably, a lot of it was from hanging out with someone so vile as Corinne). Did you see that about him at all? Thanks in advance. Wish you'd gone further in the game. Corinne was very caring and helpful during the game. I didn't think she was mean to people. she was very close with BOB. how can be close with bob if you are a mean person? she was very generous with her helpings of food, she was helpful around camp and she always had fun stories to lift our spirits. Marcus is a great guy--smart, hot, fun, likable (everyone liked him but dan). and i think he is confident in being all those things and i dont think there is anything wrong with that. i think it's refreshing when a hot guy has the attitude "yeah, i'm hot but who cares"--it'd be annoying if he looked like he does and was insecure about that. but maybe it comes off as smug. from my experience, marcus is down to earth and silly...and happens to be very accomplished She's a delusional bitch and your so call "Onion alliance" or "Manage a Kota" 's just a bunch of sore losers!
dontkilloffcharlie		#193	[-]
Posts: 679 (01/13/09 2:39 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	VentDeMilo wrote: Nope. If no twist, Susie would not have flipped. Why? She'd stay with the team until she can make her move, to flip at later stage. Besides, the flip would only create 5 vs 5 and if Fang lost, she'd be next cause Kotas would be pissed at her. The twist was suspecious all along. Charlie, question 2....did you guys ever question or ask to see the bag?? did anyone see all stars? helloo this is the SAME twist, which put amber in an even more vulnerable spot than marcus, and amber still managed to win
Miss Alley Shack		#194	[-]
Posts: 2303 (01/13/09 2:59 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Charlie, who has the bigger wang, Clay Aiken or Bob?
AussieOriginal		#195	[-]
Posts: 1829 (01/13/09 3:54 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Charlie wrote: we never agreed to vote together and we might not have voted together had there been a different final 4. Sorry mate, that is absolutely not true and everyone here needs to know it. Corinne said in one of her interviews after she got voted out that Marcus, you, Randy and her made up a vote of 4 out of 7, so that it didn't matter who was number 5, 6 and 7 as your voting bloc would control who won and that that was that. She's on film as having said that. Please understand - I thought you were great. I like you. I'm not criticising, just pointing out what she said.
AussieOriginal		#196	[-]
Posts: 1830 (01/13/09 4:04 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chazychaz wrote: Good question. When Crystal got voted off, I only knew her from her performances at tribal council where she came off really mean-spirited and offensive. And she had really crossed and hurt some of the people who i was close with. I am a very loyal friend and given that Crystal didn't come off as a nice person at tribal, I didn't feel bad keeping my distance from her. But there was no need to give her the silent treatment and I realized that soon after she arrived and I was perfectly friendly with her. I actually really liked Crystal from the little I hung out with her at the finale--we laughed about how she petrified me with her frightening stare. I regret being unfriendly to her for her first day at Ponderosa--but one thing I learned from Survivor is that simply saying sorry does not make our past mistakes go away. So, I take it as a life lesson and try to be a better a person. Crystal and Kenny were very excited to talk about the game at Ponderosa. My head had spun in circles for over 30 days thinking about the game...and by the time Kenny and Crystal arrived at Ponderosa, I was more interested in talking about life, family, movies, books, etc. than the dynamics in the game for my own sanity...so, I never engaged Kenny or Crystal in a conversation about the game at Ponderosa because it seemed very negative at that time to me. I wanted to focuse on the positive aspects of the experience as we transitioned back to real life. So, I spent my days running with Marcus and Corinne, watching movies, swimming and avoiding rehashing the game. It was time to move on for me! I understood their desire to talk about the game and it definitely made sense since they made it so far and everyone comes out of the game in their own way...I just didn't want to be a part of that for my own mental health:) Good post. Glad you came to your senses and was nice to Crystal after that first day at Ponderosa. But until then, when I saw your Ponderosa comment about being worried about upsetting Corinne and Marcus if you were civil to her, despite knowing how childish it was, I couldn't believe it. So I'm glad that you got over that crap. I saw that Randy eventually too spoke to her. My question is this: after seeing the show, and seeing all the venom that Corinne was spewing forth about so many people, the absolute hate she had for anyone she didn't like - did that change your opinion of her? You said that you're a very loyal friend, and tht's great - so am I, but I just would not choose to be around anyone with that much negativity. Second question - Marcus came off as being very entitled, smug and well... not very likeable. I know all about negative edits etc, but he seems to be very condescending, and further, he seems to have no clue about it. (Probably, a lot of it was from hanging out with someone so vile as Corinne). Did you see that about him at all? Thanks in advance. Wish you'd gone further in the game. Corinne was very caring and helpful during the game. I didn't think she was mean to people. she was very close with BOB. how can be close with bob if you are a mean person? she was very generous with her helpings of food, she was helpful around camp and she always had fun stories to lift our spirits. Marcus is a great guy--smart, hot, fun, likable (everyone liked him but dan). and i think he is confident in being all those things and i dont think there is anything wrong with that. i think it's refreshing when a hot guy has the attitude "yeah, i'm hot but who cares"--it'd be annoying if he looked like he does and was insecure about that. but maybe it comes off as smug. from my experience, marcus is down to earth and silly...and happens to be very accomplished Thanks for posting a reply to my post, Charlie. I figured that Corinne would be good around camp and all, and no surprise to hear she was close to Bob. I know that she does have some good qualities, everyone does. But you didn't really answer my question about Corinne, which was basically, after you got back home and saw the kind of things she was saying about others on TV, did that change your opinion of her at all? I know that everyone says things in confessionals that they might regret later, but hers were the worst we've ever heard. Were you surprised that she had so much hate and anger in her? And hey yeah, Marcus is hot. But the whole, "I'm hot but who cares" thing is not what I'm referring to - I guess what I meant was his behaviour at Ponderosa, and his condescending comments in interviews also. He's very lucky to be where he is in life, and I'm sure that deep down he knows it and is grateful, but most of us were horrified at his behaviour. Anyway, carry on, and thanks for taking the time to talk to us! Cheers.
sackingsfan33		#197	[-]
Posts: 227 (01/13/09 4:04 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Charlie!!!! I think you are sooooo under appreciated here at sucks. You and Corinne were my favorites last season. I was wondering who you would have voted for if the final 3 Sugar had not turned on Matty and the final group would have been Matty- Susie- and Sugar. Would Matty have won?
unduli clone		#198	[-]
Posts: 4375 (01/13/09 8:18 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Charlie! I didn't expect to see you around. I felt like we didn't get a good grasp of who you were on the show, so it's nice to see you show up and post. And it's awesome that you're friends with Eliza. What a formidable duo. Some questions... 1) I've heard that production had issues with you being the second Todd. Do you think that was a fair comparison, and did you play devious out there? 2) Was your TC question to Bob a deliberate shout-out to dear sweet Natalie's TC question at Parvati? 3) chazychaz wrote: i was upset that jacquie was voted off, but just happy it wasn't me! jacquie just got unlucky and it could have been any of us--there was nothing she could have done and she was a victim of a twist (i thought). i wasn't surprised that they voted her out...we probably should have tried to throw that challenge and voted out susie and adopted sugar. woulda coulda shoulda. it would have been funny to see two teams trying to throw a challenge. So New Fang did intentionally throw that challenge to take out a Kota? It's been speculated here, but never confirmed to my knowledge. Anyway, great to see you! Hope you stick around for awhile. <3
RobVanStratus		#199	[-]
Posts: 7601 (01/13/09 9:16 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I love the bitching/revisionist history already occurring. It's like reading the Edgic thread. "The twist was unfair, we suspected something was up." Hello fuckers, just because you lost out doesn't mean it's a suspicious twist. It happened twice before and being a Survivor "expert" that you are Charlie, you shouldn't have been surprised. "Susie never was going to flip, it would have been dumb!" Again, Sugar has the idol and would have stuck with Fang. 5 v 5, Susie still flips and flips into a F3 spot with Sugar/Matty, better than Kota. Marcus probably STILL gets knocked out, this time by an Idol. And why would it matter if they looked inside the bag? They all picked the 10 numbers out of the bag and got 5 v 5. It's not like they picked numbers from different bags or there was a secret pouch that certain players knew about to pick the right number. Too much bitching and moaning from one loser to a group of losers. Instead of entertaining these ridiculous notions that the game is rigged against the Onions, actually answer some legitimate questions, like why did you destroy the integrity of the game by creating an Onion voting block that obviously discussed voting for Bob and slamming Sugar/Susie. And let's be honest here, Marcus is the prime example of what the producers love. Boring white alpha male. If anyone gets something rigged for them, it's him. Not people like Kenny or Crystal or Susie. Marcus was their pet and they wanted him to win, above everyone else. And the twist worked out in his favor, but because he and the Onions had ostracized Susie, she flipped on him. Not to mention his piss poor gameplay in trying to get Crystal to vote against Kenny.
Edinboro		#200	[-]
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