solesurvivor01 wrote:I couldn't think of any other real "secret alliances" other than Matt and Butch's final two. But those two made much more sense.
Was the clue too obvious, ThaiSu?

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solesurvivor01 wrote:I couldn't think of any other real "secret alliances" other than Matt and Butch's final two. But those two made much more sense. |
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I loved Julie's move! It was very smart of her to get information out of Twila and then lie. Very quick on her feet (or were they sitting down).
Question: Was Twila really going to stay with the men if she found out Julie had no deal with the men? |
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solesurvivor01 |
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I'm so sad that I can't get anyone discussing any of this.
Well have number 44. |
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kenc333 |
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*discusses*
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Thailandsurvivor |
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I didn't even notice there was a new one up because of the spoiler tag, haha. Bait Blake was definitely a great move. Brian should have had no chance to
survive.
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chad6 |
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Didn't Blake say somewhere that Brian didn't have much to do with his ouster? How much influence did Brian actually have? Obviously the editing showed
us that he was a big reason as to why Danni jumped ship, but I wonder if it really had much to do with it. I mean, Danni made this choice for strategic
reasons, right? Not personal ones? Why exaclty did Danni vote out Blake. From a numbers stand point it makes absolutely no sense, and Blake was good to keep
around for challenges (since they were going to be one down after the upcoming TC). Why vote out Blake over Brian or Amy (weren't they worse in
challenges).
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solesurvivor01 |
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Ok ThaiSu, no more in spoiler tags then. Have the next few.
43. Jenna blindsides Deena. Quote: "When we go to tribal council tonight, the one person that's gonna get the hit tonight is gonna be the person that least expects it." -Rob Cesternino I've always said that Jenna was very underrated as a player. No way in hell is she the best winner or even in the top tier, but I always thought this was smart. And as much as I loved Deena, she should have known better than to do what she did at this point in the game. If she had waited just one more round, then the season could have been a lot different. Anyways, basically she told Heidi about her idea to blindside Alex while he and Jenna were on reward. Then Heidi blabs about it to Jenna and Alex (as she probably should have), and after they freak out a bit, Jenna decides to turn the tables on Deena. The thing about Jenna is that several people wanted to take her to the end (meaning Heidi and Alex, and Deena wanted her in the F3 and Rob in F4, at least), but Jenna recognized that Deena was the biggest threat to her and her alliance. Deena was very strong in challenges and a strong game player who was capable of rallying people to her side, and I give Jenna a lot of credit for taking Deena out instead of just going for Christy or Butch (Matt, the original target, was immune). If Alex doesn't open his big fat mouth in the next episode (this will be addressed later), then Jenna's sitting a pretty position. There's a good chance that she's going to the final three with two people who would take her to the finals, both of whom she had a decent chance of beating. Reasons not higher: This wasn't terribly difficult to accomplish, and I just like other things better.
42. Jonny Fairplay gets Sandra and Christa to save Burton and blindside Tijuana. Quote: "We need to regroup; we need to have a different plan, because our alliance is going to be kicking us out, most likely, fourth and fifth." -Tijuana Bradley Before I have to hear claims of "Why isn't this so much higher?" I will address them right now. I put this as low as I did because, although Fairplay convincing Sandra and Christa to boot Tijuana was genius, Tijuana's boot was almost entirely Tijuana's fault. In fact, what was so smart about this was not that he made a faux deal with Sandra and Christa but that he made up this lie about "the kerosene." Sandra took Tijuana and spied on Burton and Jon, who were discussing how the two of them and Lill would be the F3 (Honorable mention to Sandra for doing this). Now Tijuana and Darrah were ready to boot Burton. What we saw on TV and what actually happened are not quite the same here. Either way, we know that Tijuana told Burton something like you screwed us, so we're voting you out, and you can't do shit about it. Then Burton told Jon about this who went to Sandra and Christa and offered a F4 deal with them three and Burton. I don't think they actually bought this, but Christa alluded to something else in an interview, and she and Sandra both allude to it on the DVD commentary. Jon also told Tijuana that Sandra and Christa took "the kerosene," which IIRC was the last working lighter from the village they went to on the first day. In actuality, Jon and Burton took it, but the reason Tijuana got booted was because she went to Sandra and Christa and said something like come up with the kersone or we're voting you out. With that combined with Sandra/Christa's distrust and dislike for her...they voted out Tijuana. Fairplay should not be robbed of credit for thinking of this kerosene lie and getting Sandra and Christa to vote with him. It was pretty smart. Reasons not higher: As I said, Tijuana mainly got Tijuana booted, not Fairplay. Usually getting excessively cocky once will get you booted, but she did it TWICE, pretty much sentencing her to nine days in Ponderossa.
41. Kathy scrambles at the F4. Quote: "I can handle that." -Vecepia Towery I was never a huge Marquesas fan, but the one unique thing about it was the amount of last-second scrambling, and I mean that quite literally. Sean tried to force a deal with Kathy in his final tribal council in the previous episode. Unfortunately he kept asking her for immunity, which she was never going to do. Kathy either learned from that, or did something else successful because when she was on the block after Vee won immunity, she specifically pointed out to Vee that she wasn't going to ask for immunity. Kathy used immunity as a bargaining chip and almost "let" Vee keep it in exchange for voting with her. The point is, Kathy scrambled to force a tie at the F4, something which so many others have been unable to do. Unfortunately, though, the tiebreaker was complete and utter bullshit. Reasons not higher: Both Kathy and Vee wanted to vote out the "wrong" person, Paschal and Neleh, respectively.
40. Clay befriends the Sook Jais. Quote: "Beaumont. Somewhere. Beaumont, Texas." -Brian Heidik Thank you, ThaiSu, for mentioning this, because I probably wouldn't have added it. Yes, after the two tribes merged, or even when they started living on the same beach, Clay began to befriend three of the Sook Jais. Brian had Shii Ann and Jake, but Shii Ann didn't even make the jury. Clay, on the other hand, won three jury votes for his efforts of maintaining friendships. There's not much else to be said except that the quote I picked should explain it all. Reasons not higher: It certainly helped that Brian was a collosal douchebag. He didn't even remember Shii Ann's name |
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spnintendo |
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If only Clay didn't blow it with Jake. I would have laughed so hard if Clay won Thailand instead. =/
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kenc333 |
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I've always loved Marquesas because it introduced a whole new set of bargaining and strategy, besides the basic Pagonging that was relied on in the first
few seasons. I always loved how Kathy negotiated a deal with Vecepia at the F4 because neither of them had anything to lose. And yea, it was kinda unfair how
Paschal left (but he was the only person who really had anything to lose by forcing a tie, but was loyal to Neleh.) The F4 deal that Vecepia made, followed by
her new F3 deal are the two things that make me think Vecepia earned her win in Marquesas.
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chad6 |
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I always thought Deena's plan to get rid of Alex was one of the stupidest moves ever made in Survivor. Trying to blinside someone at 8 is not a good idea
in the first place becuase you risk a tie. I think Deena had to flip or her alliance, but I thought she should have waited one more round and then tried to
convince Rob to switch. I think her problem was that she didn't realize how close the four (Jenna, Heidi, Alex and Rob)"young/cool people" were
(I think Alex and Deena were around the smae age but Deena seemed much much older). And since Heidi, Jenna and Alex were most interested in keeping their
friends around, Deena should have known not to rock the boat. She should have relaized the Rob was the most rational player out of her alliance and gotten him
to flip with her.
I am glad she did this though becase it set off a chain of 3 straight blinside TCs that were EPIC. I loved The Amazon (I think it's my 3rd favorite season). |
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chad6 |
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solesurvivor01 wrote:People are discussing now <3. |
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chad6 |
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kenc333 wrote:It was only unfair to Paschal because he was so stubborn. If he really wanted to win he could have just voted her out. He was acting loyal to her but she was giving the same loyalty back. If she was loyal then she would have told him to vote her out. Neleh was playing the game to win and advance her self at that TC and I always thought it was weird the Paschal didn't realize this. If she is playing hard and throwing her loyalty out the door, then why didn't he? |
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kenc333 |
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I just don't think that contestants in the fourth season of Survivor had as much creative or cutthroat thought in terms of strategy, with the exceptions of
like Rob/Sean/Kathy/Vecepia. I'll have to rewatch that season sometime because I only remember the power shift at the F9 triggered by the coconut chop
(iconic Marquesas moment <3) and those last 3 tribal councils.
Oh and Amazon's my favourite season partly because it marked a new era of strategic gameplay, largely due to Rob C. Then Fairplay adapted his gameplay from Rob and Jenna the following season to make the game even more deceptive. ss01, we were only not discussing before because there was nothing controversial, and we all agreed with you so far <3 |
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chad6 |
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I think you can add Neleh to the list of cutthroat players as well, to a certain degree anyways. I guess her cutthroat-ness came more towards the end of the
game but it was there:
1) Her final 9 coup. 2) Her allowing Paschal to be sacrificed to further her game. 3) Her deal with Kathy at the end. |
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solesurvivor01 |
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I don't get why people are saying Paschal was non-strategic. The only way he can really win is if Kathy goes home at the F4 (or Vee if she doesn't win
immunity) and have Neleh win the challenge and take him. Remember, Paschal scolded Kathy when she explained to Vee why she wanted to vote him out, and that
pretty much switched the vote to Neleh.
Neleh wasn't that strategic, IMO. Don't forget that this is the girl who told the jury that she didn't start playing until day 24. And Ken, I can give you something controvercial. I am of the firm opinion, that in terms of gameplay and amazingness... Here's the next one...
39. Cirie blindsides Joel. Quote: "Erik seems to think we should get rid of the weaker players in the tribe, which is fine with me except I'm included in the weaker tribe members." -Cirie Fields This is the first of several examples of Cirieownage that will appear on this list. It's plays like this that make me think Cirie is the best player to never win. So fans and favorites had just been mixed, and the Malakal tribe was off to a rough start. The favorites were Ami, Cirie, Amanda, and Ozzy while the fans were Chet, Erik, Tracy, and Joel. Since Malakal was inept at putting a puzzle together (after a HUGE lead over Airai in the first part of the challenge) and because Airai had puzzle queen Eliza doing it, they lost and had to go to tribal. Joel then loses it and talks with Ozzy about getting rid of the "weak," which included Cirie. Erik supported Joel in this (see quote). So when Cirie found out, long story short, she convinced everyone else to blindside Joel. Cirieowned. Reasons not higher: Getting the numbers to do this wasn't terribly difficult to do. Cirie had Ami, Tracy, and Chet, which is enough for a tie, at least. |
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chad6 |
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solesurvivor01 wrote:Paschal might have been strategic but not at the Final 4 TC. He was willing to pick a rock and have a 33.333333% chance of going home when he could have just voted for Neleh and stayed in the game. If he worked so hard (scolded Kathy as you say) to get the vote switched, then why not eventually just vote Neleh out? I think Neleh was strategic though. She was trying to play it off, IMO. I think that's partially why the Rotu 4 didn't respect her gameplay. She didn't own up to being a player. She just thought she was innocent and cute. Her speech at the end was pretty dumb but if you think about it, she didn't really have to "play" the game until day 24. She was on Rotu and they never lost, and then she was in the majority at Maraamu. She didn't really have to do much thinking. I do think she was strategic, especially after the merge. |
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kenc333 |
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Rob's record:
1st time: 3rd place 2nd time: 15th place Amanda's record: 1st time: 3rd place 2nd time: 2nd place Take that, ss01, ya skank!! Oh, and that move by Cirie was amazing <3 |
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chad6 |
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That was a very good move by Cirie, I agree! It always boggles my mind while some weak players are content with voting out other weak players when it is
obvious they are part of the "weak players." She realized that if the tribe was headed in that direction, she had to switch it up. VERY smart.
Cirieownage <3 |
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Mikester |
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Cirie blindsiding Joel <3
Jenna blindsiding Deena <3 Tijuana getting blindsided Indifferent to Kathy/Vecepia and Clay. Whatever. Nothing really that exciting about either of those moves. |
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solesurvivor01 |
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kenc333 wrote:Number of people Rob beats in a jury vote: 15 Number of people Amanda beats in a jury vote in China: 1 (Denise) Number of people Amanda beats in a jury vote in Micronesia: 0 You were saying, Ken? |
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