SS01 Now Ranks Survivor's Dumbest Moves--UPDATED AND FINISHED!!

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Mikester		#361	[-]
Posts: 1392 (03/03/09 10:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I don't have a problem with players being loyal as long as being loyal doesn't cost you the million dollars. That would make you not such a great player, imo.
Madhackrviper		#362	[-]
Posts: 3803 (03/03/09 11:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thailandsurvivor wrote: Huge eyeroll at #12. Her having Erik take her on the reward and send Parv to Exile was smart, I'll give her that, but her finding/playing the idol is not strategy at all. That's her being lucky enough to be sent over there in the first place. If she doesn't find the idol, she leaves at the final 6, and Natalie goes on to win the game. Instead, everyone looks at Natalie as Parvati's bitch. The problem with your theory there ThaiSu is that you seem to think that they were playing some hypothetical Survivor: Mirconesia game where the idol wasn't involved, but they weren't. Amanda, as much as I'm not that big a fan, played the F6 round PERFECTLY because she indeed knew there was an idol in the game and played accordingly and, I'll admit it, perfectly.
Thailandsurvivor		#363	[-]
Posts: 5368 (03/04/09 12:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Madhackrviper wrote: The problem with your theory there ThaiSu is that you seem to think that they were playing some hypothetical Survivor: Mirconesia game where the idol wasn't involved, but they weren't. No, I'm playing the hypothetical version of Survivor Micronesia based on the season right before it. In China, once James was voted out, the idols were not rehidden. They should have not rehid it after Ozzy left, and it shouldn't be rehidden after Jason, either. It's like they expected everyone to know about him having the idol. What if Natalie didn't look through Jason's bag? Then, Jason leaves, and the idol would be gone with him. Would Jeff say at the next challenge that the idol was rehidden if they didn't know Jason had possession? Then with Sugar giving it to Matty in front of everybody at tribal council AFTER people voted, it seems like the producers don't have any set rules and are just winging it. Yeah, it didn't mean anything since Crystal would have left anyways, it's just the principle.
kenc333		#364	[-]
Posts: 8141 (03/04/09 12:37 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Even back since S12, the producers always said that the idol would be rehidden if it was played or taken out of the game. And I'm pretty sure they auctioned off all the extra copies of Terry's idol that they had made heheh.. After it was played by Alex in Fiji, the idol got rehidden, to give Earl immunity at the F5... and they couldn't re-hide the idols in China because it was the only season where the idols weren't publicly announced to be existing. So Micronesia's idols were just following a previous occurrence, and you can't fault Jason or Amanda for going back out there and finding them. And if you check around, there's a photo of the HII rules plaque from exile island during Micronesia, and the rules state that the idol can be played or given away at any point at camp or at TC up until the votes are read, so Sugar followed the rules.
Thailandsurvivor		#365	[-]
Posts: 5369 (03/04/09 12:43 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm not faulting Amanda or Jason for finding it at all. As Fairplay said, "You have one chance to win a million dollars. If you don't do everything you can, you're an idiot." Well, he said something like that, I can't remember the exact quote. I blame the producers for killing some of the integrity of the game by overusing an originally bad twist.
Madhackrviper		#366	[-]
Posts: 3806 (03/04/09 1:06 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thailandsurvivor wrote: I'm not faulting Amanda or Jason for finding it at all. As Fairplay said, "You have one chance to win a million dollars. If you don't do everything you can, you're an idiot." Well, he said something like that, I can't remember the exact quote. I blame the producers for killing some of the integrity of the game by overusing an originally bad twist. But you're also trying to claim that the WAY Amanda played the idol isn't a top 50 move, when it it. She looked at the rules sitting right in front of her face and said "OK, here's how I'm going to play within these rules" and, at least for that one round, she played damn perfectly, and she deserves credit for it. If I'm playing Chess, and my buddy says "alright we're going to play this game where the Knight can one spot forward if you choose instead of the L patern" and I figure out how to take advantage of this new rule better than my friend, then I deserve credit for figuring out how to take advantage of this new rule well. Amanda deserves credit for taking advantage of the idol rules that season well. Now, top 15 move I'd argue against, it shouldn't have gotten this far, it was cool, it was top 50, but it wasn't top 15.
Thailandsurvivor		#367	[-]
Posts: 5370 (03/04/09 1:14 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The difference is that she could have kept the target off of her in the first place or be in the majority, so she wouldn't need the idol. She didn't do that, and, as a result, she had to rely on the idol. Perfect gameplay in that situation is doing what Parvati did by wearing a goat costume.
kmill		#368	[-]
Posts: 1834 (03/04/09 2:02 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	You people shamelessly trying to justify Amanda as a good player are freaking pathetic.
Madhackrviper		#369	[-]
Posts: 3807 (03/04/09 4:15 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thailandsurvivor wrote: The difference is that she could have kept the target off of her in the first place or be in the majority, so she wouldn't need the idol. She didn't do that, and, as a result, she had to rely on the idol. Perfect gameplay in that situation is doing what Parvati did by wearing a goat costume. I agree that better gameplay is keeping the target off yourself, and I for SURE agree that Parvati was playing a better game at that point and throughout. However, I still think that Amanda deserves top 50 moves recongnition for the way she handled that round, because she did play within the rules of that season of Survivor to the best of her ability, and that is still good gameplay, not the BEST, but good. [kmill, I don't think Amanda was a great player, I'm not a huge Amanda fan, I'm no Ken, not even a SS01, but I do think she deserves credit here]
chad6		#370	[-]
Posts: 2837 (03/04/09 4:34 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Amanda was a good player. She just couldn't handle the stress of the jury. There is no way you can call Amanda a bad player--she did make the finals TWICE and two times in a row. It's really hard to argue against the facts.
kishuu		#371	[-]
Posts: 1264 (03/04/09 6:02 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The only reason why nobody bothered to vote Amanda off till F6 is cause nobody knew how well she did in China except for the fact she made the jury portion of the game. With the exception of Eliza, who outed her at the start of the game, and James, the fans likely had no idea how well she did and so did the rest of the faves (Parv/Ozzy probably found out later into the game I suppose). If others knew she made the FTC in China, the fans + faves like Cirie would jump on the chance of getting rid of her (esp. if Cirie knew this early on in the game) like how they did with Ozzy.
pinoyako		#372	[-]
Posts: 6660 (03/04/09 6:15 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm loving this list! <3333 Cirie FTW!
JackSparrowBauer		#373	[-]
Posts: 167 (03/04/09 10:47 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thailandsurvivor wrote: Huge eyeroll at #12. Her having Erik take her on the reward and send Parv to Exile was smart, I'll give her that, but her finding/playing the idol is not strategy at all. That's her being lucky enough to be sent over there in the first place. If she doesn't find the idol, she leaves at the final 6, and Natalie goes on to win the game. Instead, everyone looks at Natalie as Parvati's bitch. X Yau-Man's idol playing in Fiji was ten times more impressive than Amanda's, but I doubt this'll show up on the list. Yau-Man found the idol first, before it got rehidden. If it weren't for the stupidity of the HII re-hiding twist, then Amanda comes in 6th place. They all pretty much told her that they were voting her out, when Yau was going to get blindsided (stupid Stacy). Amanda did impress me with how she found it right under everybodys noses, but she didn't need to do anything after that, but she goes and stupidly trashes Erik in front of everyone, which served no purpose at the time, since after she played the idol, Erik would be outnumbered and first to go if he didn't have immunity. She took a huge risk in trashing him because he easily could've completely turned against her, but he was an idiot, so props to her for taking advantage of his idiocy. She did get Erik back on her side at F5, but that's only impressive because she needlessly trashed him at F6 so she needed to win him back in an impressive way. btw, Parvati deserves more credit for the Alexis blindside, because Natalie was more loyal to her than Alexis was, and she got Amanda to stupidly vote out Alexis over Natalie, when Alexis was hurt, and that could've cost Amanda, too, since Natalie had a huge lead in the F4 Immunity challenge, and if she won then Amanda could've been out in 4th place without producers interference this time The only time in Micronesia Amanda played perfectly was the Final 5, but Cirie, Parvati and Natalie also played it perfectly, so I don't get why Amanda stands out over the other 3. Amanda is a good player. I think she played great in China, but just shot herself in the foot at the end, which is something lots of great players have done before (Rafe, Kenny). In Micronesia, she just played an average game, seeing as she had much better competition in Micronesia.
kenc333		#374	[-]
Posts: 8142 (03/04/09 12:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think one important thing that people are forgetting is that after Alexis won the RC, Amanda was sent to exile, and then James was taken out of the game. While she was on exile, she thought James was still in the game, and knew that there would be at least 2 targets ahead of her (Erik, James). Had James not been taken out, she wouldn't have been targetted at the F7, and she would have tried to keep James in the game (possibly with the idol), so he'd always be targetted ahead of her. And I agree with madhack about the rules and all.. I mean, you can't expect Amanda to not look for the idol because she thinks it's unfair that they rehid it... At the F5, if it weren't for Amanda's initial manipulation of Erik, the rest of the plan wouldn't have worked out. Either way, I'm pretty sure the other half of the F5 Micronesia moment is coming up later too.
solesurvivor01		#375	[-]
Posts: 5400 (03/04/09 4:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	As much as I love this Amanda debate, if Clubs is really closing in three days, then I need to get things going. As I said, here is one of my favorite moves of all time, and it was done by my favorite Survivor of all time... 10. Rob blindsides Christy while simultaneously getting Jenna and Heidi's friendship back. Quote: "I think I'm in the driver's seat for tonight's vote." -Christy Smith This was the first time we had ever seen something like this. Two groups of people that had more than just a little animosity between them united to oust the person who could put either one in danger. It was so brilliant (and a bit ahead of its time, IMO) that Christy's name has achieved verb-status, to a degree. To be "Christy'd" now means to think you are in control or the swing vote between two groups when in fact you, yourself, are getting voted out. Three days before this, Rob blindsided Alex, and had to deal with Jenna and Heidi, who were acting like ex-girlfriends, in his words. Over the next couple of days, he worked to become friends with them again, and on day 33, he approached them with this plan to save them. When Rob came through, he didn't necessarily win the girls' trust back, but they now liked him again and were certain to vote for him if he were against Matt or Butch in the finals. It was a great move requiring perfect execution, and Rob pulled it off. Now that we're in the top ten, I'm not listing any reasons that it's not higher because all of these are really great and it's just an issue of what's the most impressive at this point. Here's a move that's painful to watch for me, but I can't deny it's great strategy. 9. Vecepia makes a final two alliance with Kathy at the F4...and breaks it less than 24 hours later. Quote: "Neleh, If I step off and give you Immunity, would you take me into the finals with you?" -Vecepia Towery At the time Marquesas was filmed, people hardly even broke alliances. Breaking an F2 alliance, especially in this kind of mannor was unheard of. In hindsight, this was no doubt the obvious thing to do, but in the middle of a challenge with Kathy right there, this was the last thing I expected. Kathy and Vecepia made a deal to stick together at the previous TC, and this put Neleh in a really bad position after Paschal got fucked by the PROD. She knew she had to win or she was going home...or so she thought. Yeah, she did end up winning anyways, but Vecepia realized she had to break her alliance with Kathy, so unless Kathy won the challenge, Vee and Neleh were going to be the F2. Also, Vecepia was the only person in Survivor history to ever successfully strike a deal in the final immunity challenge, and that's pretty impressive.
Quiddity		#376	[-]
Posts: 4907 (03/04/09 4:37 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	kishuu wrote: The only reason why nobody bothered to vote Amanda off till F6 is cause nobody knew how well she did in China except for the fact she made the jury portion of the game. With the exception of Eliza, who outed her at the start of the game, and James, the fans likely had no idea how well she did and so did the rest of the faves (Parv/Ozzy probably found out later into the game I suppose). If others knew she made the FTC in China, the fans + faves like Cirie would jump on the chance of getting rid of her (esp. if Cirie knew this early on in the game) like how they did with Ozzy. And how wrong that would have been, as sitting next to Amanda at the end = Automatic victory! :P Worked two times in a row! :) Also, Vecepia was the only person in Survivor history to ever successfully strike a deal in the final immunity challenge, and that's pretty impressive. No, Ian also struck a deal with Tom. Of course the deal was that Tom would vote him out... @_@
cardswin5		#377	[-]
Posts: 979 (03/04/09 4:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I loved Kathy and I remember HATING Vecepia at the time for doing that to her. Plus Neleh tricked Kathy into falling by telling her her boob was hanging out. HATE! That Christy blindside was all kinds of epic though and I loved it! :)
CrystalOwnage		#378	[-]
Posts: 156 (03/04/09 4:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ugh...at the Amanda fantards in this thread and at SS01 giving in to their crap (No way in hell she is deserving of Top 15...hell probably not even Top 50) Christy blindside was epic and as much as I hate Vee it was good strategy.
JackSparrowBauer		#379	[-]
Posts: 173 (03/04/09 5:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The Christy blindside was great. wtf is Clubs really closing? why?
Madhackrviper		#380	[-]
Posts: 3808 (03/04/09 5:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JackSparrowBauer wrote: The Christy blindside was great. wtf is Clubs really closing? why? DAMNIT WHY ARE PEOPLE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY? THIS IS SUCKS FOR CHRIST"S SAKE

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