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arcticjim68 |
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So has anyone figured out how Daniel, the son of a Widmore and a Hawking, got the last name Farraday?
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Fluffynurse |
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Eloise could have married a Faraday, kept her maiden name & he adopted Daniel. Simple.
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bxwl9 |
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Woah I just saw Phil and Rose on that new Southland show on NBC.
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PoChop |
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You've got to figure that an atomic bomb buried somewhere on a tropical island would no longer function after about 23 years, particularly for a bomb
designed with 1950's technology. You just can't expect the electronics to still function after all that time because of moisture induced corrosion and
other age/environmental related decay. Indeed if the bomb was leaking radioactive material in the 1950's (which is pretty much an impossibility BTW)
it's even more doubtful the thing would still go boom. The same corrosion would have happened in the mechanical structure of the bomb and the specialized
explosives required to compress the nuclear material to trigger fission probably wouldn't work reliably. In addition the nuclear material itself could
have decayed such that even with everything else working it wouldn't have exploded.
And then there's a bigger factor: the Island. If the island, or universe, or whatever can cause a gun to jam or otherwise not function properly on or off the island (the fate thing) why couldn't it prevent the bomb from exploding as well? The island does not seem to want that explosion - at least not yet. I was also thinking that Daniel had managed to be healed by the island, transforming from a mental vegetable to a relatively clear thinking physicist while he was on the island. It's also possible that after he (apparently) left the island he started going crazy again. His theories about how to change the future, and that in the span of four hours he'd be able to not only dig up a nuclear bomb but to also move it and convince the Others that it would be a good idea to explode that bomb on the island. And like Miles said to Sawyer, Daniel was way crazier than before. So apparently the only thing that Daniel did to fulfill his duty to the island was to plant the idea of time travel into the mind of the good Doctor Chang by showing him the equations in his notebook. Yet Dr. Chang still needs to be convinced of time travel, doesn't he? Was he joking about the time travel or does he already believe that it's possible? Maybe we'll find out in 4 hours... I'm guessing that Daniel's notebook is still around somewhere and that Dr. Chang will get a hold of it - sometime soon! |
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WiscBadger95 |
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pleasepassthepork wrote:Maybe it was selected by his parents to hide his true identity? studentnurse2003 wrote:In "Namaste" (5x09) Sawyer told Jack something like, "he's not here anymore." People were theorizing it meant: (A) He left the Island, (B) He traveled in time, and/or (C) He completely lost his mind. Fluffynurse wrote:I never didn't believe it was a possibility. I just wanted to be open to any possibility. And, truth be told, in the last couple of weeks I started thinking it could've been done by the folks for whom Ilana and Bram work. cindidindi76 wrote:Honest to God, I was staying at my sister's place during Xmas a couple years ago, and she's a Hallmark channel junkie and can't get enough Hallmark Xmas movies -- she'd watch the 24 hours a day for the whole month of December if she could. And I absolutely fell in love with Alice Evans when I saw her in that movie. And in case you're all wondering, yes I have Googled it, and she has done nude scenes ... she has really nice tits!
pleasepassthepork wrote:The Doogie Howser of physics! |
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pussycow |
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And in case you're all wondering, yes I have Googled it, and she has done nude scenes ... she has really nice tits!That is pretty much the first thing I do whenever I see a hot chick in a movie/TV show. God I love the internet. BOOBIES! |
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twonyx |
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Fluffynurse wrote:Ellie Faraday? They never used her last name in the 50's or '70's. When Daniel was waiving the gun around he asked to see Eloise - no last name. So, maybe Faraday was her maiden name and then she married a Hawking after Daniel was born. Daniel knew he had a different last name from his mother and didn't seem to be bothered by it. So, she could have married and changed names down the road. As far as the H-Bomb, maybe it's been mummified. |
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FeliciaM7 |
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. And in case you're all wondering, yes I have Googled it, and she has done nude scenes ... she has really nice tits! Where are the ass men? Total fail here in the boob department. Wisc and pussycow - you suck! |
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Vachina |
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So I'm trying to think of Daniel Faraday and his mom's life as a straight line....
70's: Okay, mom's life is moving along just fine on the island... She's chillin with the Hostiles/Others in the late 70's la dee da, when one day some gun-toting idiot wanders in and, fearing he's gonna shoot one her people, she shoots him. With his dying breath, he says to her that he's her son. Within a relatively quick time (a matter of months at most, but maybe even within as little as hours) something causes her to leave the island, whether its going nuts over that shooting (over the course of a few months) or the upcoming "Incident" (hours) or something else. At some point shortly after leaving (still late 70's), she gives birth to a son, Daniel. Daniel was apparently conceived on the island (with Charles Widmore), but for the purposes of this discussion, that doesn't matter (or...does it..?). She'd been trying to convince herself of that dude she shot just being crazy, but during pregnancy, with her baby on the way, she had started to worry. So she gives birth. She decides early on she'll never say a word about her memory to him, of course, because a) that would fuck up her son's head, b) she wants him to enjoy his life, and that's tough to do with a fucked up head, and c) she's hoping it's all a mistake or she can change it anyhow. 80's: Daniel is obviously a genius as soon as he starts talking. Over the years, mom wrestles with the worry and this impending feeling of doom/inevitability and, and she maybe makes some crap attempts to direct her and Daniel's life in a way that ensures against the outcome she already remembers. But it all feels futile. One day, when he's like 11 and playing the piano, she decides that from that day forward, she's going to stop trying to fight the supposed future and instead prepare him for it--he's obviously some kind of freaky genius who has a freaky thing going on with time (counting that ticker-thingy on one side of his head while playing the piano on another), so she commits to that decision. She pushes him like crazy to study study study and refine his genius and time fetish/voodoo. She knows roughly how old Daniel's gonna be when he wanders into the camp, and thus is shot and killed, so her life has this weird clairvoyant vibe in that respect. When he gets his doctorate at Oxford or whatever the hell, she has lunch with him, and he mentions Widmore as providing him a grant for his time-research. This obviously perks up mom, who realizes "Widmore, eh? Well shit son, things are set in motion now" but of course still says nothing to her son. 90's: Daniel does all these freaky time experiments on Widmore's dime. Desmond comes in one day seeming like a loon but perks up Daniel's interest, as he (Desmond) seems to actually have time-traveled or whatever. [Here I'm fuzzy, as I'd have to go back and watch the older episodes.] 2000's: At some point, his chick Teresa winds up comatose as a result of his experiments. He goes nuts over her death and just gets more cuckoo over some weird time things going on in his own brain. In 2004, a plane crash makes the news. Loony as hell, he cries over the news coverage. Widmore comes in (first face-to-face meeting?) to his house and says all Daniel's troubles can go away if he goes on this expedition to this magical Island. Daniel accepts. His mom visits him and also encourages him to go. In one interpretation I take from the way the show is going, she's resigned to fate (determinism). In another, she knows it's do-or-die time for...something to do with free will. Maybe both, I dunno. In any case, somehow he pulls himself together enough to join this expedition with Charlotte and Miles, etc. on the freighter, and they arrive on the Island. Daniel meets Desmond (again from his perspective--for the first time from Desmond's). Shit happens with the 815 crowd. The freigther blows up. The Island moves. The time flash happens. Daniel's in 1974. Sawyer, Juliet, and Miles stay in 1974, but somehow Daniel leaves soon for Ann Arbor. Three years later, he comes back to the Island. It's 1977 and he sees the whole crowd (Jack, Kate, etc. in addition to Sawyer/Juliet) there. He bugs Dr. Chang to evacuate the Island. That fails, and then he absolutely MUST get to his mother, who somehow he knows is a Hostile/Other (maybe something he somehow found out in Ann Arbor in the 1970's--or maybe he knew it to start with on the freighter?) Maybe he's hoping she can convince Chang? He tells little Charlotte to get off the Island*. He makes good on his attempt to find his mom with the Hostiles/Others, and she shoots and kills him. *Asterisk here because in his weepy pleas to swingset-little-Charlotte, he cries about how he doesn't think he can change the outcome, but he has to try--he just couldn't avoid talking to her. Isn't there a disconnect here... that's something you'd say to someone who DID die--to your recollection--in the upcoming "Incident," not someone you know didn't die, and Daniel knows Charlotte didn't die at that time because he saw her die in 2004ish time (her 30's, to keep it simple) with the flashes... Or maybe I'm overthinking it, and Daniel's thinking that fleeing the Incident sets into motion the rest of Charlotte's life where she dies in her 30's and so he doesn't want to tell her to flee, but he also can't resist telling her to flee because...seriously...dude...the fucking Incident is coming. I don't know. Final word on this topic: how did Daniel supposedly fall in love with Charlotte? They only had fleeting, brief contact on the freigther just a handful of days before he professed her love to her during the time flashes. Maybe...at the conclusion of all of this, we'll have revealed to us that Daniel became in love with the *idea of Charlotte* before he even knew her in person, as his special mind pieced itself back together to comprehend all of these goings-on for his "purpose"...he will come know Charlotte as a "variable" in all his equations. In conclusion, I don't know precisely what I intended to accomplish by typing all that up, but it helped me sort some things out in my head, nonetheless, and it gives me that ethereal-but-nonetheless-satisfying "I-have-insight-into-Lost" feeling I let myself have every once in a while, knowing full-well the show's probably just gonna pull the rug out from under me next episode. |
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PoChop |
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Richard Alpert might also confirm to Eloise that she shot her son. Alpert has been exposed to lots of time travelers so he wouldn't necessarily discount
the possibility.
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Vachina |
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Having posted ^that and having a few minutes to reflect on it, I think Daniel's "purpose" that I referenced was to... at the moment in 1977 when
his mom shot and killed him before he was born... do something, effect some small little change, at that time, so that that didn't happen. He was supposed
to figure it all out--with his special time-y brain--intellectually to do what Desmond seems to be able to do more naturally: make a tiny change in the past
that can, presumably, affect an entire time cycle.
Like Jack and Kate and crew have their lives barreling toward a set of circumstances, seemingly, that would be a point for cutting off whatever chain of events leaves them stranded, miserable, crazy over the Island-and-time-hopping, Daniel's life cycle moved inevitably to a set of circumstances where he was supposed to make some small change to avoid winding up a miserable brain-dead mess who fucked up his girlfriend. Eloise fought for a long time to deny and/or change the course of events herself, but she knew she had to let Daniel try. You can see the bittersweet pains on the actress's face as she's encouraging Daniel to go on the freighter trip to the Island. She knows it's the only possibility to turn that life around, but at the same time, if he fails, she's sending her son to her death. There's also the whole "eliminating the life cycle" conundrum there... where you wrestle with some really profound moral questions, like Jack and Kate seem to be headed to, with the prevention of the 815 crash. |
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PoChop |
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A lot of folks seem to have this long term plan or plans for something that needs to happen in the future, or for some goal. The Others, Patchy, Ben, Widmore,
Eloise, (Hanso?), all seem to know something we don't know yet.. The Losties on the other hand (and that would include Daniel) are still rather clueless
about what they should do or how to do it. Eloise mentioned a battle that had been waging for quite some time. I assume everyone's long term plans (for
those in the know) are to resolve this "battle" and make things normal. That battle may go back to when people first came to the island and built
those temples and trapped Smokey underground (assuming Smokey or Smokeys have been on the island longer than people).
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Hostile6 |
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PoChop wrote:What's odd is Widmore mentioned Desmond getting in the middle of something that goes back a long way... It seemed clear based on his concern for Penny's life that he was referring to Ben. However Hawking mentioned the same but it's context was more mysterious... I wish tptb would get on with it and reveal the purpose of the Others. All of these hints have me worried the actual "war" or whatever will be a let down once it's revealed. |
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Goosehead |
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Why does Faraday think that the other Losties aren't supposed to be there? If they're not supposed to be there, then why did the Island let them come?
Is one of them particularly 'special' in the Desmondian sense? Are all humans now 'special' because of free will? (this seems to be what
Faraday was suggesting) ... and just to be clear, changing the future only matters if they have the ability to return to the future, right? Because otherwise
they'd still all be living the same life with the same memories but through a future that they wouldn't recognise (all the while having parallel selves
living across the Ocean wherever). What we know of time-travel so far is that you keep your memories, so if they were able to return to the future it's not
like they'd return to their lives and be oblivious to everything that happened. That being said, changing the future would allow those who died to live
longer than they would otherwise, e.g., Charlotte.
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Goosehead |
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@Vachina
The idea of Daniel being in love with the *idea of* Charlotte is a really interesting one. I just read a novel by Umberto Eco - The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana - in which the main character wakes up from a coma and has amnesia. He's told by his friend that he had lots of mistresses. He goes to his small book shop he owns and meets his young beautiful shop assistant. With no other information he begins to wonder if he was having an affair with her, and ultimately convinces himself he had, leading him to develop feelings of love for her in the manner of a few days. I found this to be a fascinating concept, and it seemed somehow related to your idea. However, I think it's much more likely that it will turn out that Faraday is Charlotte's brother or father or something like that. How? No idea. But they'll need to explain the "I love you" moment and I have a sense that it will be a very shocking reveal of some sort. |
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twonyx |
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My favorite scene from this ep. is when Sawyer says, "come with us, freckles." I love the look Juliet gives and then she hands them the code on a
silver platter. AWESOME! I've re-watched that scene about 6 times and can't get enough. Brilliant acting and so much subtext.
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Goosehead |
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I liked his reference to "twitchy."
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QualityBobby |
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Fortunately, I am also an ass man.
:googles Felicia's ass: |
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PoChop |
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Goosehead wrote: You should watch the small vignette that Jimmy Kimmel did the other night where he inserted himself into that scene where Daniel comes into the cottage. Kimmel was wearing a dark wig to be like Daniel and yes, he twitched a little bit. |
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DelosWorld |
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PoChop wrote: The bomb could be in the Temple complex and relatively safe from moisture, although not from Old Smoky. Hallowed be the Bomb! |
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