then it proves once and for all how biased Edgic is against females.
Well, yes, Edgic has always worked hard to get the bias for certain females to settle down and get a teeny bit more objective. Lol.
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then it proves once and for all how biased Edgic is against females. Well, yes, Edgic has always worked hard to get the bias for certain females to settle down and get a teeny bit more objective. Lol. |
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Just a quick note - Eliza passed her New York State Bar Exam !!!
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that was her first try too, right?
Pretty impressive. Congrats, Eliza! |
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Yup, her first try.
And if that's the case, then the editors have FAILED this season. Kind of like how last season the person who came within 1 vote of winning was one of the most invisible people ever? This would be surprising why? Hell, I'm just glad that it this point we'll have a F4 without any INV people, lol. |
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cindidindi76 wrote:And the person that beat the invisible runner-up was invisible himself for the first half of the season. Great editing strikes again! You're right though -- at least the remaining 5 have all been consistently memorable throughout the entire season, even if some are more visible then others, they've all made an impact on the casual viewer at least more than once. Also, and I don't want to get the hopes up of fellow Shamrocks (am I even considered one still? She's been my #2 pick for the past 6-7 episodes now, not #1 anymore for a while), but is this the penultimate episode coming up? If so, this could be VERY good for Erinn's chances, because the preview shows a LOT of doubt for her. And that's exactly what you need in the penultimate episode, right? I'm just saying, it may be something to consider... |
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Just to be clear, bob was never INV. His overall visibility was small pre-merge, but he never got the fatal INV. His win violated a bunch of edgic
guideline/guesses, but thankfully not the INV rule.
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I know, that's why I said "invisible" aka very under the radar, not "INV". =)
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Stephen is such a clear-cut winner it's terrifying. He's been consistent in providing self-doubt in lieu of the edited doubt we generally receive around this part in the season For the JT/Stephen and Romber comparisons, I'm not seeing it. The two were a known pair, but they were constantly threatened by the edit. Amber almost goes home at F10, Rob loses friends, etc. There was plenty of negativity built up against them so that viewers weren't sure if they would make it to the F2 together. JT and Stephen have received none of that! Their place in the F2 is a certainty to viewers, which means it won't happen. Dunno who'll be in that F2 spot, but I'm banking on it as Stephen versus X. PS: I really hate that Jalapao has taken over so easily. YAWN. |
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Compare and Contrast * "I started at the bottom of the food chain, I climbed my way to the middle
and now I'm at the top, baby!"
The Stephen\JT alliance is the Exile Alliance of the post merge.
We all remember that Brendan was Edgic's no. 2 choice, right? He wasn't just some guy we knew nothing about or an OTT distraction. He was the Timbirian JT - handsome leader and all around good guy Brendan! And look where he is. And for wanting to take JT to the finals, no less.
Can Erinn's edit get any weirder?
This was, again, not a very good episode for her. It was a holding episode, but defiantly not the Big Move she has to make at some point, because she told us she will. I mean, maybe getting Tyson out WAS her big move and everyone was right and I read too much into that confessional. I don't know, but her edit has been so utterly… weird, from the second episode on. And an Erinn victory fits the themes and the story like a glove.
It's just… I don't know if I'm entering Tinfoil Hat Territory here, but Erinn's story seems to be so crudely sewn into the overall story of the season (which is Stephen's), that I kind of wonder if the Erinn victory might have surprised the story editors too. Maybe that's a part of the reason comeback winners are edited differently - they do start breaking the story while the season is shooting, and at F4 I imagine they have a pretty good sense of what their season is about. If a surprise winner wins, you can make a lot of alterations, go back and give them special care or amp up the now decoy winner's hubris, etc, but I would assume it is very difficult to completely re-write the season. That's what Erinn's edit feels like to me, sometimes. I mean, what the fuck was that with her going over seemingly to talk to Coach, but never reaching him somehow? So… she just left? And we got all this beat because… she got up and left? It seemed like a rough cut.
But it's probably Stephen. If he's a decoy, he's like the master-decoy all other decoys would be compared to
until the end of time. He makes Marcus look like Kenny. And if he is, then the only tool we seem to have in figuring out decoys is lack of doubt. JT is a
doubt-machine for everyone else, but Stephen is still sitting way too pretty at this stage of the game, in this particular season.
But it's still probably Stephen.
Replying to
People!
Erinn - "I know that there is no way I can win this game by just hanging out and letting other people make my decision" I'm… pretty sure she is not talking about winning the game of life by making big moves, on her own, to improve herself as a person. So huh?
Blake - Oh please shut the fuck up Erinn is toast.
What does that even fucking mean, when referring to Edgic? Stop posting? Should all people who disagree with you just go away so you wouldn't have to read disagreeing notions? I mean, I get that you just don't see anything in Erinn's edit at all, and you are completely dumbfounded by people writing this much about her and even discussing her UTR-ish edit with such much better edits out there. I felt a similar way about Brendan's edit, which I never got at all, but I didn't go around telling people to shut the fuck up about Brendan as I am not a child.
After Bob won last season, it just seems so unadvised to refuse to debate anyone's chances. If someone were to make a case for Taj I'd read it, and I'll probably argue against it if I have anything constructive to add. And if I wouldn't, then I won't, because how does a "Oh shut the fuck up you people who disagree with me" post do anything but make for a great ironic quote if you're wrong? It's not like if Erinn doesn't win (which 90% of "Erinn supporters", including me, seem to accept as the most likely outcome) anyone is going to go "Well, Blake did make that great point about me needing to shut the fuck up about Erinn. Gotta give him credit".
It's just so stupid, and if you hadn't been so hostile and dismissive about other opinions all season long, I would have probably thought it was some kind of joke. If you want to actually make points against Erinn's edit that's great - god knows there's a lot to pick from - but the dismissive attitude and the thinly veiled assumption that all Erinn supporters are biased towards pretty girls is both off-putting and unproductive. |
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I think I've been far from hostile about Erinn until recently. It's like c'mon, it's almost finale week and her edit still
sucks. I think her edit is worse than any previous winner--including Danni and Bob. I can tell people to shut up if I want.
I've spent the entire season proving why Erinn doesn't win, which she won't. I'm getting tired of it already, especially since edgic is about
pinpointing the winner and so many posts are about how Erinn could win when she clearly will not. She is edgically eliminated, in my mind. Not complex enough
at all, low visibility pre and post merge, and zero winner-like confessionals. There are so many opportunities in the merge to give her a larger edit, and to
say she's not apart of the story is ridiculous when there are only several people left. astro gave Erinn CP this episode? I hate how when
people think someone can win, they jump to give them a CP at the slightest comment, and when there is someone CP but they don't think they can win, they
give them MOR or OTT. If someone is MOR, CP, or OTT, give them the rating they are and then we can adjust the rules of a winner accordingly. Forced ratings in
order for them to look "winner-y" are more harmful than anything else.
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My ratings this week:
Still only done one watch and that was while cooking, so these are subject to lots of change. Coach: OTT - Honestly, I'm not even sure if we can still give him N's. His whole bit with his assistant Coach was ridiculous, but I don't think I can recall him doing anything distinctly negative. He really is just living in Coach world. OTT character forever. Debbie: CP - I don't think any tone is warranted here. Everyone got positive tinges in the family visit, but that's not for the edit of the characters in most cases. Debbie was just too much of a threat this episode so we needed to see her actively playing the game. We definitely heard from her and it made me sad we didn't hear from her more often this season. Erinn: MOR(P?) - I'll have to rewatch this. Again, I don't recall the family visit very well because I wasn't paying too much attention. I don't know if she stood out more than anybody else for a P. I'll also have to rewatch to see if she's MOR or UTR, as I don't even remember her existing outside of the family visit. JT: MOR?CP? - He had his usual decision making insight. I think he spoke enough to his reasoning and positioning in the game to be CP, but I'm not entirely sure. Stephen: MOR?CP? - I'll end up giving Stephen whatever I give JT most likely. Again, he spoke to his reasoning and positioning. Taj: OTTPP - No question in my mind that she is PP. We had people tripping over themselves to give her the family visit. She wept openly a billion times and spoke to personal growth. Everyone commented on how much she missed her family and how she should be the one to see her family. Eddie George came and gave her positive SPV (that's like getting positive SPV fomr the president in my mind). Then, Coach reaffirmed how much raw emotion Taj had inside her at tribal council. The episode was one big love fest for the Taj-machine. |
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wallduck wrote:I just don't see that much jury connections with Taj. Even Gabon's Susie had more jury connections than her. And what about JT's telling us that "seeing Stephen win is almost like winning himself?" Foreshadowing? |
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Good catch on the JT quote.
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I disagree with you playing nice until recently, because there has always been an aspect of ad hominem to your arguments against Erinn. You don't see it SO
MUCH that you assume stuff about people who do see it and you attack them instead of her edit. Now there might be nothing there, which is an option just about
everyone seems to agree on, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about what we think we see. It's what Edgic is. We don't actually know.
I can tell people to shut up if I want.You obviously can. Your hands won't fall off upon typing or anything, but it's bad debating etiquette and it gets no one nowhere. Besides blowing off some steam you get no where, and Edgic really shouldn't get you to a place in which you have to blow some steam because the actual argumentsbeing presented get you mad. Disagreeing is healthy, and while you feel you have somewhere along the line proved Erinn doesn't win, I don't share that view with you. I think she just might. I have made a couple of posts on the subject and would very much appreciate actual responses to actual claims I make, but "shut the fuck up" gets us nowhere, and it deserves to be called out because it's a nasty way to talk to people. I don't think that Erinn was CP in this episode, but I wouldn't rush to announce other people's ulterior motives. SOMETIMES PEOPLE DISAGREE. Doesn't make anyone stupid. It's like c'mon, it's almost finale week and her edit still sucks. I think her edit is worse than any previous winner--including Danni and Bob.Really? Worse than Bob's, who was shown sleeping in the hut while everyone were talking strategy and considered an afterthought pre-merge? Erinn is connected to the themes, was more complex than not, and promised us a big move in a season about blindsides and momentum. If the momentum shifts again, which I think it will (we heard enough about it), who do you think will be the benificiary? Coach? He doesn't even know he's in trouble, besides he's the biggest distraction ever, maybe literally. Taj? She's sitting pretty well too. I get that there are a lot of reasons to think Erinn doesn't win, and I get that she PROBABLY DOES NOT WIN, but the way this particular season was editted, I don't find her winning so out of the question. You always knew exactly where Erinn stood in the pre-merge (how often do you hear the phrase "alliance of one" on survivor?), and she went on to promise greatness and then fade into the background a bit, while still remaining present. The Erinn debate really shouldn't, like... offend you so much. And if it does, you don't have to take part in it. Just don't fuck it up with rude comments (which, of course, you "can" make. It's the internet, anyone "can" do anything). |
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Does it mean anything now that we've had two episodes in a row, where there's been focus on JT struggling and unable to start a fire at the beginning
of the episodes? I'm no 'edgician', but that was just something I noticed.
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The fact that Erinn is such a question mark is not good for her. Pre-merge, it's intrigue, so the legs will tie up. But this far in, it's just neglect: plain and simple. |
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Let's look at one measure that is readily quantifiable for Erinn: Visibility.
Assuming that Warrior's Visibility count for Erinn for Ep 11 is accepted, through 11 episodes she will have had 1 episode with a 4 Visibility rating and 2 episodes with 3 Visibility rating (the other 8 being either 1 or 2). In the post ASS world, there has never been a winner with such low Visibility scores (except Danni). Erinn's Visibility numbers are "worse" than Amanda's (in both seasons). Most people here have reconciled themselves to Danni's edit because she was going up against the 500 pound Visibility gorilla. There ain't no such beast this season, so, IMO, there is no reason to "hide" Erinn should she have won. In S15, some people got on the Amanda band wagon near the end, and then kicked themselves when it was all over (because in retrospect had she won she would have been feature more). History can teach us things, if we are willing to listen. Edited to add: re: Kate Carney's post 4421 - I don't know how you can make your conclusion, unless you are forgetting that Amber's Visibility numbers are on a 3, not a 5 point scale. Tina, Jenna M, and Sandra's are better and Vee is arguable, and using pre-S6 editing as a guide is dangerous, IMO.
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Also, this is a 16-person season, and visibilities and UTR counts are almost always reduced in comparison to seasons with, say, 20 people; thus, there is
almost zero excuse for Erinn to get nothing when everyone else seems to be getting more than she is.
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BlakeB717 wrote: You're probably right. The last two episodes have not been good for her chances, at all. I just don't think that means we should disregard the parts of her edit that some of us (or maybe just me, I don't know) see; her strong connection to the themes (the only thing Bob was ever connected to was the themes), her "I'm gonna turn this game on it's head" confessional that has yet to pay off, the fact that she is the only one besides Stephen and Coach (who is not a factor) to get a pre-credits confessional (the first one!), and Stephen and JT's emerging EA-ness. I'm not saying her edit doesn't have major flaws, I just think - especially in this season and after Bob won - that it's legitimate to talk about it. It's just talking. |
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9RedWing19 wrote:
And DNS, the doubt being given to Erinn in the preview is GOOD for her edgically. The severe lack of doubt for Stephen and JT is one of the biggest problems for them edgically.
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