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JackSparrowBauer |
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I agree completely with this one. Ami was being smart and thinking ahead, and if Leann weren't an idiot, than that move would've helped her win.
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solesurvivor01 |
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JaMalle wrote:Couldn't have put it better myself. All shall hail Queen Ami.
Anyways, yeah I never understood why Ami gets so much hate for this move. Lisa was turning on the girls anyways, and Royry would still have an obvious target on his head if there was a delayed merge (and the chances they would win at least one challenge with him were decent). As you correctly pointed out, this probably did contribute the guys voting off John K. over Julie. |
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Quiddity |
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Lisa was a total loose cannon who had no loyalty to Ami anyway. Booting her didn't harm Ami at all. It was a great move for her.
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oldfirmie |
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I definitely agree with #12. Booting Lisa was smart. She was potentially a threat to Ami down the line because she was not a member of the "Personality
Cult of Ami" like Eliza and Leann were. For Eliza, it kept Rory as a potential boot ahead of her. It was a good move for all around.
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Mikester |
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King Lord wrote:lol that never happened |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Queen Ami <3<3<3
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King Lord |
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good catch Mikester. fixed.
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ncassaro |
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bump
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Will |
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Lisa was an immunity winning G.oddess. Ami should have KEPT her.
G.oddess was finally filtered!?
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RobVanStratus |
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I love that so many people think the Billy boot is a stupid decision. I'm sorry, but what is stupid about dumping dead weight? When you have 4 tribes, if
you fall from 5 people down to 4 early on, but it's 4 active competitors instead of 4 strong and 1 weak, loose cannon, it's way better. If he sticks
around to the first merge of the tribes, he's gonna screw Aitu over.
Not to mention that they did NOT know when they would all merge into smaller tribes. This argument that they should expect it on Aitu because of Exile Island is retarded, since 99% of the cast got recruited so they didn't get to see past seasons. Voting off Billy was a smart move. None of them knew when they'd go from 4 tribes down to 2 tribes, so getting rid of a disloyal and weak tribemate is a great move. Billy would have contributed to voting off JP on Raro if he stuck around, unless Raro was going to play smart and vote off someone weak, which we saw they were not exactly the brightest bunch, keeping weak people like Rebecca/Stephannie longer than strong competitors like JP/Cristina, which is what cost them the game. |
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colleenlover |
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I'm surprised by that, Rob. I usually agree with your stances.
And I see the whole logic of Billy being a loose canon down the line. But also, isn't it a so what? If he is, they're no worse off than they would be without him. They don't know the variables. And they don't know when or if they tribes will be changed -and again, what the dynamics could be. But the cons outweigh the pros in booting Billy by throwing. They could have lost the next challenge with it still being four tribes and stuck with having to eliminate another person. You dump the dead weight when you have to dump weight at all. |
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RobVanStratus |
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It could have been a blunder if they stayed as 4 tribes and they threw some challenge their way that Aitu couldn't win. But they went to 2 tribes the next
episode and all the same tension between them with JP shitting all over Billy could have carried right on over into the new Raro tribe and then Raro could have
dumped JP like they did before, just with Nate gone and Billy added. They cut off a weak link that would backstab them in a heartbeat, smart move.
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King Lord |
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11. Denise refuses to vote with Peih-Gee and Erik against Todd (China)
Conventional Wisdom: Denise should have gone for the tie to oust Todd and change the game. Rebuttal: I've heard people argue that this was the move that cost Denise the game, and it mostly has to do with Denise's statement in the voting booth that episode, saying it was probably her biggest mistake in the game and yet still doing it. But I personally think Denise's biggest blunder was at the previous TC, the one where James was blindsided. Recall that Denise had said that she was closest to James out of everyone else in the game, and that James (for the most part) reciprocated. If Denise had convinced James just before TC that he needed to use the idol, and had then voted against Todd, she could have cruised to victory, voting out Amanda next, then using Courtney to oust Peih-Gee and Erik, setting herself up in the finals against the two people she was most likely to beat. What ended up happening at F6 was a blunder only if the tiebreaker was a firemaking challenge, and it's unclear if the tiebreaker would have been that or drawing for the purple rock. If the purple rock was the tiebreaker, then not going for the tie was correct, because Peih-Gee (the IC winner), Erik, and Todd (the two whose names forced the tie) would have been immune from the drawing, and Denise would have faced the prospect of going home herself. Even if the tiebreaker was firemaking, apparently Peih-Gee insisted that the target should be Todd, and not, as per Denise's preference, Courtney who was the least able competitior. Why should Denise have made the concession as to who the target would be when she was the one with the leverage? Bottom Line: Don't get me wrong: Denise was a blundertastic player for most of her time in the game (and even after the game, it turns out). But I'm not convinced that her decision at F6 was itself a blunder. Ok, everybody, since we're at the halfway point, I'd like to take a brief pause in the countdown to ask: Do any of you have a 'blunder that wasn't a blunder' you haven't seen on the list yet? I already have my top ten figured out, but I'm looking for 2-3 honorable mentions. KThnx ;)
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spnintendo |
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Ikr? Then again I'm not sure how Denise was supposed to win that game. I guess her best shot against Amanda and Courtney in the F3? F4 was the perfect time
to vote out Todd. :iiam
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JackSparrowBauer |
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STEPH VOTES OUT JOLANDA AND JAMIE!!!
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Thailandsurvivor |
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Denise has to risk the tie or else she was guarrenteed fourth. She may have screwed up by not making the move at the final 7, but it didn't matter. She had
one more chance before Todd, Amanda, and Courtney cruised to the finals. If it was a final two instead of a final three, there was a small chance that someone
would pick up her vote to oust someone else, but the final three rules made it that a three person alliance could ride it out. She was an idiot and didn't
take it.
I think Denise would have lost in the finals to anyone left in the game after giving her pity stories, but you have to at least give yourself the chance in front of a jury. Who knows how they will react. |
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ncassaro |
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RobVanStratus wrote: OK, then they shouldn't have expected it. In that case, they still shouldn't have thrown it because it put the 4 of them in danger if they lost another one. An easy first boot is a gift from the heavens that you don't just throw away. |
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tullfan2 |
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The only times that making fire is used as a tiebreaker is at Final 4 or if there are only 2 people left in a tribe during the pre-merge (see Ulong in Palau). Picking rocks is used as the tiebreaker for all other situations, so by your reasoning, Denise was correct in not forcing a tie. |
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Depends on who you were on whether or not the billy boot was a blunder. Ozzie and JP were right to worry about Billy being a cancer he was easily whipped and
could have been trouble down the line if the tribes stayed the way they were. He would have likely sided with the girls over the boys. The girls on the other
hand shouldnt have agreed to it cuz billy gave them the advantage numberwise
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TAR Addict |
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i love reading this thread, its great, keep it up!
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