intlschizo wrote:A fair point, but if you think about it, Coach will be more likely to be able to influence other jury members in Ponderosa (aside from Sierra) in comparison to Erinn. And he might assume in comparison to Taj as well since most of the jury members are part of Coach's original tribe. He may be thinking that if he ends up in a final two with Stephen, better to have Coach on his side when the jury has to decide between two people who picked off their tribe members one by one. JT has appeared to them to be the person behind all of those decisions, so he may have started thinking that he should go with the noble warrior who stuck to his word angle.
That makes sense, River50, especially with Stephen's "evil villian" statement along with him saying that JT's vote was strategic. But why would JT vote against three people in order to secure ONE vote? If Taj and Erinn are pissed (especially Erinn), then he loses two votes to gain one. I'm not arguing against the idea; I just wonder if JT knows how to count.
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Was Stephen's vote a smart one?
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Posts: 25 (05/16/09 2:20 PM) |
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Posts: 220 (05/16/09 7:08 PM) |
intlschizo wrote:But why take even the slightest chance when they had such a simple method to insure things went their way ? Anyway, your photo only supports my "random faces" comment. And what do you make of JT's "Just a security vote. Sorry." comment ? This is all remininscent of Erinn's "Never again. Swear." analysis wankfest. Two weeks ago, many were overinterpreting it as her vengeance on Stephen for sending her to exile. Then in last week's intro, they immediately revealed that she was just apologizing because she couldn't bear to write down Sierra's name. People are just grasping at straws for any conflict whatsoever, because otherwise, it's all so predictable. |
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Posts: 5498 (05/16/09 11:14 PM) Registered User |
This is a tough one. Certainly I'd personally much rather have Erinn around than Coach and was very happy with the results Thursday night. Was it the best
move for Stephen & JT though? Can't say. Coach and Taj were never gonna team up with each other at F4. Coach was too delusional and Taj hated Coach.
Would never happen ever. Could Erinn and Taj team up at F4? Certainly very possible. Thats a big risk that JT and Stephen have permitted. On the other hand,
Erinn has been absolutely horrific in challenges, so its a fair bet that Coach was much more likely to pull off the upset immunity wins at F4 or F3 that could
screw up their plans. And at least from Stephen's perspective, getting rid of Coach at F5 guarantees there's no way that JT takes Coach over him in the
end. Benefits and pitfalls either way. Was I in their position, I would have voted Erinn out.
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Posts: 107 (05/17/09 12:04 AM) |
It's not Stephen's vote that was stupid. It was JT's.
JT chose to vote Erinn so as not to piss off Coach and earn his vote for the million. When Stephen calls him out on this, it will become very clear to Taj that JT expects to be sitting next to Stephen in the final two. Taj knows that Coach expected her and Erinn to vote for him and for JT and Stephen to vote Erinn with him. So if Stephen calls out JT for the "saving face with Coach vote" it becomes crystal clear to Taj that JT only imagines that Stephen will be in the F2 with him. Stephen's annoyance with JT also lets Taj know that Stephen expects that JT will be sitting next to him too, as he wouldn't be so irked if he didn't think he'd be pleading his case against JT. This opens the door for Taj to turn around and "stab them in the back" by forcing a tie with Erinn. Looks to me like Taj will try to force a tie by voting with Erinn for whichever guy doesn't take immunity. The big shocker will come if JT or Stephen votes with Taj and Erinn to whammy the other. Of course, this all is predicated on Taj interpreting that Stephen's annoyance has implications for her end game. I'd hope that she does... but she may have blinders on and not see what is sitting right in front of her. Bottom line... JT made an unnecessary move that could either cost him the game or knock out his biggest opponent... depending on whether he can keep winning immunity. Stephen was just sticking with the game plan he and JT mapped out going into the last tribal council. |
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Posts: 1838 (05/17/09 12:44 AM) Dragonslayer |
Except Taj is a dumb ass millionaire who's cool with JT winning. (I love JT, but hate people fucking up the game by not playing.) |
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Posts: 89 (05/17/09 1:31 AM) |
Does Taj have a final two deal with JT? I thought she just had one with Stephen. At this point, everyone's taking Stephen.
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Posts: 179 (05/17/09 1:33 AM) |
WHC wrote: Which is nothing like grasping at straws to make sure that JT + Stephen = BFF 4EVA!!!11 As for his "security" comment, since I have no idea if JT knew how Stephen was going to vote (unlike so many people here), I'm waiting to see what he meant by it. mscatsmommy wrote: You think she doesn't know that? |
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Posts: 109 (05/17/09 1:57 AM) |
intlschizo wrote:In the latest web preview, it's pretty clear that Stephen expected JT to vote Coach with him, when he confronts JT about why he voted Erinn instead. Which makes it obvious that they discussed the vote and JT knew Stephen was voting Coach, and made a conscious decision to not vote with Stephen. Otherwise, why would Stephen be so annoyed? |
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Posts: 180 (05/17/09 4:40 AM) |
Okay.
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Posts: 221 (05/17/09 12:21 PM) |
mscatsmommy wrote:Do you have a link ? Because I'm getting absolutely nothing from either of the two previews I've seen. They both just look like cobbled together bits edited to simulate conflict. |
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Posts: 110 (05/17/09 12:59 PM) |
WHC wrote:It's clear in the show preview on Phoenix's main page. While it's definitely edited to heighten a sense of controversy, we clearly see Stephen explaining that "JT ended up voting with Coach for strategic reasons." Going into the vote JT knew Stephen was voting Coach, led Stephen to believe he was doing the same, and then chose to vote Erinn. Make no mistake, Stephen is annoyed. Whether JT can smooth it over quickly remains to be seen. Yet, the irritation on Stephen's behalf is real and not manufactured purely in the edit room. |
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Posts: 1565 (05/17/09 1:44 PM) I need a hobby |
I want to see JT and Stephen pulling hairs in the finale!
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WHC |
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Posts: 222 (05/17/09 4:11 PM) |
mscatsmommy wrote:I've seen both of those already. When Stephen makes his comment about JT's vote, it's unclear whether he means JT voted strategically for personal benefit, or for the benefit of the Jalapao 3. The videos do not clear that up. And I'm really not sensing the annoyance on Stephen's part. Without the voiceover telling you how to read the comments, I wouldn't have thought much of Stephen's tone of voice. Anyway, we'll find out in a couple hours. |
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Posts: 223 (05/17/09 6:58 PM) |
West coast here. Did they address whether JT voted Erinn to secure Coach's vote, or just defensively ?
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Posts: 1582 (05/17/09 7:54 PM) |
We'll know soon
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Posts: 225 (05/17/09 7:59 PM) |
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter wrote: Just saw it on Justin TV. It almost looked like the answer was neither, but leaning towards snagging Coach's vote. |
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