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WylDawg |
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If it was a Stephen/Erinn final 2, Stephen would've been the JT replacement. In other words, 7-0 victory.
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Oowatanite |
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WylDawg wrote: I disagree. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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I don't think anybody's surprised by that.
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WylDawg |
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Okay, 6-1
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Thailandsurvivor |
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If it was a Stephen/Erinn final 2, Stephen would've been the JT replacement. In other words, 7-0 victory. 6-1. With Taj voting for Erinn. I do think Erinn had a chance to get votes from Debbie, Sierra, and JT (if Stephen won the final challenge), but looking back, Stephen would have been able to state his case much better if he wasn't sitting against JT. I don't think Erinn was anywhere near the goat she made herself seem like to try to get taken to the finals, but Stephen most likely would have crushed her. The 7-0 win is a testament to JT's game; it had nothing to do with Stephen being a goat. |
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WylDawg |
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The 7-0 win is a testament to JT's game; it had nothing to do with Stephen being a goat. My point exactly. JT was seen as a form of deity by his fellow castaways, not sure why, but he was. Nobody voted against Stephen, nor did anyone seem particularly bitter at him. They were just blinded by JT love. Take him out of the equation, and I'm sure all of a sudden Stephen becomes very viable person to win. |
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chapera rocks |
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Wrong. Your precious Coach would have been crushed by anyone. |
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WylDawg |
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Coach would most likely have Tyson, Debbie and JT's votes in the bag, he would just need one more. Albeit, everyone else couldn't stand him.
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Thailandsurvivor |
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Stephen and JT both weren't "particulary fond" of Erinn according to the finale. Debbie and Tyson's votes would have made 4. Sadly, Coach could have beaten Erinn. |
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chapera rocks |
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WylDawg wrote:Tyson, Debbie for Coach. Sierra, Brendan, Taj for Erinn. Stephen and J.T. are not definitely. Erinn has more guaranteed votes than Coach. |
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tomash |
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To get in a final 2 with Coach, Erinn would probably have had to win the final immunity (if Coach stays true to his 'take the best to the end'). She would probably have secured another vote or two (if Stephen/JT vote together) for Coach there from who she didn't take. I still think she could have had a decent shot against Stephen if he took her though. Sierra and Taj, maybe Deb, and possibly even JT if he had been pissed enough. |
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panurge46 |
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Coach vs Erinn???? In what universe would that have happened? For it to happen, the game would have needed to be so different that you can't use the players present state of mind to speculate how the votes would have gone. As an example: If Coach had betrayed the Warrior alliance after shoveling all the shit about it then he would never have gotten JT or Stephen's votes.
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Oowatanite |
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WylDawg wrote: I disagree. |
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WoodstockZ |
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Hm? She got to F3 without ever really being in an alliance, and talking JT and Stephen into betraying Taj. Had she gotten to F2 without having won immunity
it would have been because JT or Stephen got suckered into believing she would fold at F2. I don't think she would have, she would have tried to sway the
jury. She may have had a chance against JT, she would have buried Stephen.
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pushingjate |
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I think Erinn would have given a strong case. It would have been a close call. I think Taj and Debbie were definites for Erinn. Debbie was all about
"Timbira, Timbira, Timbira." She would have wanted a Timbira to win, even if it was Erinn. I also think Tyson would have voted Erinn despite his
comments about her. In the insider clips, Tyson/Erinn both had confessionals talking about their "unique bond." And most of the jury members who were
interviewed saw Stephen as a follower and someone who wasn't playing the game. It would have been close IMO, but I guess we'll never know. Thanks JT.
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chapera rocks |
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Apparently Stephen really did pull an Amanda at the final TC and didn't own up to any of his moves. According to Erinn. She also said that if he had owned
up to them and shown he was the mastermind, she would have and others probably would have voted for him.
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MghtyMouse33 |
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Even if Stephen did own up to his moves, he still would've probably lost. This is different from Amanda IMO, who could've probably won if she had owned
up to all of her moves, because I think it would've been obvious that AManda was a far better player than Todd and was the true mastermind. In
Stephen's case though, I still think that J.T. played at least an equal game to his, if not superior.
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Schadenfreude |
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Erinn vs. JT: I think Erinn gets Taj's vote for sure. I think she has at least a decent chance of getting Sierra to vote for her. Debbie's a long shot
but I think Debbie would have approached the final TC with an open mind that she could have voted for either. Now, I'm going to propose something that some
of you may not buy: would Coach have punished JT for taking the undeserving Erinn instead of Stephen? I don't think that Coach would ever have cast a
pro-Erinn vote, but would he have cast a vote against JT in that scenario? My guess is that Erinn probably would have been able to make it a closer vote... I
think she would have been tantalizingly close, but since JT (in my opinion) put on one of the most brilliant final TC performances ever seen, I think she'd
have fallen a vote or two short of what she needed.
Erinn vs. Stephen: If he won the final TC and took her, he'd be in a much worse position than if she took him. If he took her, he'd lose a vote from Taj, he'd lose a vote from Coach, he'd lose Debbie and Sierra... he'd probably salvage Tyson's vote because he'd respect Stephen's more cutthroat gameplay, probably JT's, and possibly Brendan's. If she won and took him, he'd have a better shot at getting Coach's vote, and JT and Brendan would be more solid votes for him. Again, though, I think Stephen would have fought harder against Erinn than he did against JT. To me, Taj is the real question mark to the jury. I think they liked her well enough, but did they see her as a strategist, as a warrior? Or would she have been viewed more the way Stephen was? My instinct is that she'd fare better than Stephen against a final jury, but would have never had a chance against JT. I just don't know if players like Coach and Tyson actually saw what a good game she played. |
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chapera rocks |
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MghtyMouse33 wrote: That's besides the point. Stephen would have done better had he owned up to it. Amanda would have done better had she owned up to it. Whether or not they would have won or not doesn't negate the mistake they made. They both made the same error and screwed up their final TC performance. Which is funny since Stephen praised Amanda pre-show and said the jury was just sexist, clearly not realizing the error she made at the final TC's. |
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round peg |
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i thought spencer said amanda lost because of sexism from the jury or some shit like that??
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