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MJSLawrence |
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Stephen definitely deserved to win, as much if not more than JT...that was crap...Sugs and Stephen were both robbed...
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cardswin5 |
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Stephen was deserving to win til he fucked up at tribal. "OMG I CAN'T DO FIRE AND STUFF AND NOW I CAN AND YOU PEEPS ARE NICE AND JT IS <3 PLZ VOTE HIM NAO KTHNX BYE!"
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Flav4 |
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The show is a competition of altheticism, witt, smarts, and social game>Stephen
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PostnumberZERO |
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who else forgets the jury members faster when the vote isnt close?
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co coach |
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PostnumberZERO wrote: Totally same. It helps when they do the "zomg who was the swing vote" or "if whatserface was in the final who votes for who". |
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PrettyGoodYear1988 |
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MJSLawrence wrote:Stephen deserved some votes, but the Jury was just too enamored with J.T. and Stephen didn't own his game half as well as he should have. Sugar got what she deserved, though. She very obviously stated that she did not care to win the game, so the Jury rightly cast their votes towards the two people who actually tried, even if they were never power players like Sugar. |
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MikeHaggarKJ |
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The Marquesan Godfather wrote:i think stephen wouldve gotten rid of jt at f4 if he hadnt won. |
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Mrpoopypants |
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JT outwitted stepehen by making him do most of the dirty work .. JT always came out looking good .. it was stephen who ran around feeling everyone out for
votes and such .and in the end stephen who was trying to find some way to get someone with him to go against JT ., and he failed at that and it macde him look
weasily and weak.
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intlschizo |
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sunflower101 wrote:He did. Taj promised she would vote for him. She said that once he broke his promise to her, all deals were off. I don't think screwing Taj was the reason that Stephen lost (JT was a lock), but I *do* think it's the reason for the 7-0 blowout. Taj was so well-liked, and nobody bought that "immunity threat" crap for a second. |
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JT Rocks |
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Plus Stephen never owned up to it. He even tried to blame JT for booting Taj and she obviously didn't appreciate that.
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TheWizard |
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PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote:I've had some time to think about this, obviously. I don't know if I realistically could have won by "owning" my game. I think the jury thought too much that I was JT's goofy sidekick. If I came out and said, "Hey, I'm a secret mastermind!" they would have thought I was crazy. One of the things that I didn't realize going in was how difficult it is to completely ignore the personal element once you're there. I had always thought people were total idiots for making game decisions based on personal feelings, and knew that when I played, I would be cold-hearted and unmovable. But you are living in extreme conditions with a small group of people, and you do end up forming close bonds with them. That's what made the final tribal council so hard for me - suddenly 7 people who I felt extremely close with were attacking me. (Basically, the entire tenor of the TC was, "JT, your only flaw is that you're friends with that scumbag, Stephen." Much more than you saw.) So that definitely frazzled me. |
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SkyDreamer |
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I think Stephen had a really bad luck to be on this season, for a few reasons:
1. One of the most dysfunctional tribes ever- any normal tribe would have gotten rid of JT in the first chance they had, but Timbira immediately started aiming for each other. 2. No one was there to play - It almost seemed like the Timbira members were playing for JT to win. For example: Brendan:" I love JT" Sierra:" I know, he's one of the best guys I've ever met." Any normal player would have said: "That's why we need to get rid of him. " Timbira members said: "So let's keep him in the game". WTF? 3. The jury was emotional. In later seasons, the jury usually appreciate strategy. However, the members of the jury this seasons were a bunch of idiots who didn't realize who was the true mastermind. 4. He was up against the most overrated player this season- JT. For some reason, Everyone was so in love with JT. I personally hated him. He annoyed me on so many different levels. I honestly wanted him to go since day 1. |
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Dictatorship |
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Tocantins is very forgettable to me, partially because of you, Stephen, but didn't you keep butting into JT's answers to insert your opinion? That is
definitely a sign of a desperate player, and it's a turn-off to the jurors for sure.
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FranklinBluth |
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For the record, I would've voted for Stephen.
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aboutbreakingrules |
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SkyDreamer wrote:Jurors can vote emotionally if it so pleases them. It's also your job to convince them to mark down your name and not the other guy's name. Stephen flunked this aspect in spades. If everyone is in love with J.T., great. That helps his case before the bench. He might have annoyed you, but he definitely didn't annoy the jury, which is what counts. |
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SkyDreamer |
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Timbira was something special. They loved JT more than themselves. I really felt bad for Stephen - he played such a great game, but people's love for JT
was so unreasonable. I'm pretty sure he would have won in a normal season (like china: people adored James, yet they didn't actually want him to beat
them).
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JLK Name |
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The jury made a wrong decision.
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TheWizard |
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SkyDreamer wrote:1) I agree with this, but I have mixed feelings about its effects. If it weren't for Timbira being completely dysfunctional, I might not have gotten as far as I did. Yes, they were dysfunctional and any normal tribe would immediately have gotten rid of JT. (In fact, they almost voted him out in the first vote of the merge, right off the bat) But the fact that they were dysfunctional let us play the two factions off each other and get to the end. Basically, Survivor casts extreme personalities. Dealing with those personalities is one of the challenges to winning the game. 2) This is the thing that bothered me the most both as a player playing the game and as a fan watching the season. Too many people were not playing to win. On the other hand, every season has people who are not playing strategically. I think, however, they at least nominally want to win the game, even if they are just coasting along to do it. But in my show, Brendan was explicitly playing to lose to JT, Coach wanted to be "defeated" by JT in the finals, Sierra was willing to "step down" at 4, and both Taj and Debbie wanted to "step down" at 3. I agree this really screwed up my endgame. I couldn't take someone like Taj or Debbie or Coach to the final 3 - someone who might have a better shot against JT in the final immunity - because they would end up quitting or taking JT to the finals. Similarly, I couldn't make earlier alliances with those people. While you might think I'd be happy to play against people willing to roll over, it doesn't work when the only other person playing strategically is your biggest threat. 3) The jury vote basically went as I expected it to, though I thought I'd get one vote. I don't think the jury ever knew that I was a strategic player, and I agree that against JT I could not have presented myself to them as a strategic player and won. In my mind the jury was always a strategic afterthought. I get to the finals against Erinn or Taj and win, or I get to the finals against JT and lose. I lost the game at the final 3 immunity challenge. Also, at least on my season, I think most people go in knowing who they're going to vote for. I don't really think the final TC performance can change that much. It's hard for me to say they were emotional or not-emotional. They were the same crazy people I was playing against, making their jury decisions in the same way they made their game decisions. My job was to get to the finals against somebody else. I failed to do that. Also, to be fair to my jury, I didn't present myself as a strategic player. That may or may not have been a mistake. I think realistically I still couldn't have influenced anybody's opinion, just pissed some people off. I guess, yeah, I guess that means they were emotional. But that's who they were! From my perspective, a huge portion of the game is playing against the people who you're with. Like that's the challenge. Yeah I guess I wish I were with more ambitious, strategy-oriented people. But that wasn't the hand I was dealt. And honestly, even if they'd thought I was the true "mastermind," JT played an amazing game. He was a physical threat who made it to the finals, he was a great social player (clearly), he was a workaholic around camp, and he was a strong strategic player. 4) I don't want to take anything away from JT, who I think played a great game. I mean it's not his fault he somehow seduced Timbira into collective hero-worship. Seriously, more power to him. |
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star jumper |
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Geez, Stephen, why don't you and JT sucks each others cocks now, and get it over with?
You shouldn't have made it past Day 24, I hope you are fucking happy with yourself, twinkle toes. |
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