38 Million Votes from the state of Arkansas!

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bumlets1		#361	[-]
Posts: 1121 (05/28/09 8:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sheri wrote: Hopefully the guy from Rolling Stone is correct and she'll be the easiest to record an album for and she'll be a bigger success than Gokey and none of this will matter. Leah LaBelle will be more succesful than Gokey.
8trackmind		#362	[-]
Posts: 1330 (05/29/09 3:57 PM) I demand attention! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	5 pages of predictable comments about homophobia, dumb southerners and the like were all I could take of this thread. So I don't know if anybody has come up with the following idea anywhere on pages 6-17. If so, I apologize. But I think there's any easy way to see if the 38 million votes/corporate homophobia rigged election theory is correct, if you don't mind waiting six months. Let's see whose CD sells better. If Kris' mildly surprising victory really was due to some AT&T fix, the ratio of Adam's CD sales to Kris' should resemble the Daughtry/Hicks matchup (7:1) or at least Clay/Reuben (2:1). Okay, I'll grant that this could happen anyway once 19Evil sticks Kris with a bunch of songs from Kara and their other hack songwriters. But if Kris does somehow make a respectable CD and sells less than Adam anyway, it WOULD support the rigged election theory. And if Adam makes a good CD and sells less than Kris, I'd say it would prove the whole rumor is bullshit (if one of them makes a CD that we can pretty much agree is a lot better or worse than the other, all bets are off). Personally, I'm hoping somebody out there has the sense to sign Allison, with the result being a wonderful CD that outsells both of them.
eraserhead19		#363	[-]
Posts: 508 (05/29/09 4:00 PM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts	sadllama wrote: Well if you didn't vote for him you probably shouldn't be bitching about him losing. umm hey dumbfuck, I haven't bitched even ONCE. god it's like you idiots can't tell the difference between one poster or another. OMG one adamtard bitched about him losing so they ALL bitched. It's beyond fucking ridiculous and it's what keeps the shit stirring.
BBSpencer		#364	[-]
Posts: 951 (05/29/09 4:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	eraserhead19 wrote: sadllama wrote: Well if you didn't vote for him you probably shouldn't be bitching about him losing. umm hey dumbfuck, I haven't bitched even ONCE. god it's like you idiots can't tell the difference between one poster or another. OMG one adamtard bitched about him losing so they ALL bitched. It's beyond fucking ridiculous and it's what keeps the shit stirring. ***Key Bold - to contradict eraserhead's "we have been nothing but NICE to Kris fans!" statements spewed around the board, typically once every 20 nasty insulting posts. Italics - for delusional hilarity Underline - irony
Drew B		#365	[-]
Posts: 5537 (05/29/09 4:08 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	8trackmind wrote: Let's see whose CD sells better. If Kris' mildly surprising victory really was due to some AT&T fix, the ratio of Adam's CD sales to Kris' should resemble the Daughtry/Hicks matchup (7:1) or at least Clay/Reuben (2:1). Okay, I'll grant that this could happen anyway once 19Evil sticks Kris with a bunch of songs from Kara and their other hack songwriters. But if Kris does somehow make a respectable CD and sells less than Adam anyway, it WOULD support the rigged election theory. And if Adam makes a good CD and sells less than Kris, I'd say it would prove the whole rumor is bullshit (if one of them makes a CD that we can pretty much agree is a lot better or worse than the other, all bets are off). Irrelevant. I don't think that anybody denies that a chunk of Kris' votes were actually anti-Adam votes. Those votes have nothing to do with the 38M Arkansas "scandal", and are actually perfectly legitimate votes. Now, I hope that the anti-Adam votes are from people who don't like his SINGING as opposed to those who don't like his homosexuality, but either way, it's legal. Beyond that, nobody is stupid enough to think that the number of votes is equal to the number of fans on a 1:1 ratio. However, as for actual sales, most likely the best case scenario is that the number of album sales is equal to the number of fans. A fan may vote 500 times but is hopefully not stupid enough to buy 500 copies of the same CD! Album sales may well tell us who has more fans, but that has very little to do with who legitimately got more votes. Perhaps Kris did have fewer fans (I have no idea), but if his fans cast more votes, then his win is totally justified.
eraserhead19		#366	[-]
Posts: 509 (05/29/09 4:28 PM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BBSpencer wrote: eraserhead19 wrote: sadllama wrote: Well if you didn't vote for him you probably shouldn't be bitching about him losing. umm hey dumbfuck, I haven't bitched even ONCE. god it's like you idiots can't tell the difference between one poster or another. OMG one adamtard bitched about him losing so they ALL bitched. It's beyond fucking ridiculous and it's what keeps the shit stirring. *Key Bold - to contradict eraserhead's "we have been nothing but NICE to Kris fans!" statements spewed around the board, typically once every 20 nasty insulting posts. Italics - for delusional hilarity Underline - irony first where did I ever say we've been nothing but nice to the Kris fans? it's like you guys are completely illiterate or something. and if I'm so delusional about saying I haven't bitched, please find my post bitching.... you can't cuz I haven't so fuck off you're one the worst fucks in the entire situation BB. Sad accussed me of bitching about Adam losing ergo, he's a dumbfuck because I have in fact argued that Kris deserved to win just as much as Adam. what makes you all idiots is that you ascribe any negative comment made by an Adam fan (even those not on this board mind you) to every other adam fan, even if they've never said anything similiar or given any indication they feel that way. and p.s. we're not required to be nice to ANYONE ya big fucking baby. WAAAAAWAAA WAAA those mean ole Adam fans hurt my feelings. pull up your big boy pants and get over yourself. drew wrote:** A fan may vote 500 times but is hopefully not stupid enough to buy 500 copies of the same CD! Album sales may well tell us who has more fans, but that has very little to do with who legitimately got more votes. yes on the hope that no one is stupid enough to buy 500 (or even 5) of the same album. and let's be honest, fandoms fade over time. Right now it's all pretty heightened, the season just ended. Who the hell knows how any of the fantards are going to feel in 7 or 8 months when their albums are released. I'm reasonably certain they will both be pretty successful right out of the gate. that's how it usually works with the idols. The real test comes down the road when they have to do it without the hype of being fresh off the show and after a new crop of favorites is on the horizon.
8trackmind		#367	[-]
Posts: 1332 (05/29/09 4:41 PM) I demand attention! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I agree that CD sales won't PROVE anything. I just think that if both release CDs of roughly equal quality, and Adam's vastly outsells Kris', it could be considered evidence SUPPORTING the conspiracy theory. And if the reverse happened, it would make a conspiracy LESS LIKELY. That's all. Yes, there are a whole lot of other things that enter into things could make my point irrelevant. The amazingly horrible "passing a kidney stone" picture on the cover of Justin Guarini's CD cost him an incalculably large number of sales. Nobody could have predicted that. Airplay also makes and breaks lots of CD; so do videos, tours etc. Jordin's so-so CD looked like it would flop until she embarked on some very well-planned promotion: opening spots in tours for Alicia Keys and then the Jonas Brothers, songs that got airplay, etc. Oddly enough, CD sales of the 2 Davids (Cookie is ahead of Archie 3:2) have come very close to matching the ratio of how many votes each got in the Idol finale last year. I think this is more an accident than anything else, and it's never come close to happening before on Idol, but it shows it CAN happen.
Drew B		#368	[-]
Posts: 5540 (05/29/09 4:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	8trackmind wrote: I agree that CD sales won't PROVE anything. I just think that if both release CDs of roughly equal quality, and Adam's vastly outsells Kris', it could be considered evidence SUPPORTING the conspiracy theory. And if the reverse happened, it would make a conspiracy LESS LIKELY. That's all. Eh. Adam could vastly outsell Kris even if there was no conspiracy theory and Kris could outsell Adam even if there was. I think we just have to live with the fact that it is impossible to rationally analyze what all of the tens of millions of votes mean. We'll simply never know.
BBSpencer		#369	[-]
Posts: 955 (05/29/09 4:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I don't think CD sales will do anything to effect a likelihood of a conspiracy. I think idol fans do a good job of immediately turning critical once a first track off a soon-to-be released album comes out. If the song is good, catchy, and fits in with mainstream, the album will sell. If their first single sucks, so will sales. It all depends on that first song that will make or break, just like any other singer in the business is treated. The ratio numbers are probably more aligned when you compare radio play as opposed to a finale results. Cook had a really popular song when he was releasing, and Archie had a song out that people liked, but not as much as Cook's. 3:2. Ruben had some terrible ballad (was this Sorry for 2004? or did that come later?), and Clay had a big hit with "Invisible". 2:1. The show gives them more publicity than any other avenue available for a debut album, it doesn't build them a guaranteed fanbase for that album. It's up to them to make a quality CD that will SELL. Surely there are fans of the show that are obsessed enough to buy just about anything. However, I think a clear majority of fans want to know they aren't going to blow their money on someone they got over months ago.
Sheri		#370	[-]
Posts: 751 (05/29/09 6:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BBSpencer wrote: I don't think CD sales will do anything to effect a likelihood of a conspiracy. I think idol fans do a good job of immediately turning critical once a first track off a soon-to-be released album comes out. If the song is good, catchy, and fits in with mainstream, the album will sell. If their first single sucks, so will sales. It all depends on that first song that will make or break, just like any other singer in the business is treated. Everyone start praying for Kris right now then. His first single contractually has to be "No Boundaries."
eraserhead19		#371	[-]
Posts: 525 (05/29/09 7:40 PM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sheri wrote: BBSpencer wrote: I don't think CD sales will do anything to effect a likelihood of a conspiracy. I think idol fans do a good job of immediately turning critical once a first track off a soon-to-be released album comes out. If the song is good, catchy, and fits in with mainstream, the album will sell. If their first single sucks, so will sales. It all depends on that first song that will make or break, just like any other singer in the business is treated. Everyone start praying for Kris right now then. His first single contractually has to be "No Boundaries." actually no, that's not true. No Boundaries will not be treated as anything more than a novelty single. It might get some play on radio but for the most part none of the winner's singles get played. I think Kelly might be the only idol who got (and still gets) significant radio play with her coorination song. NB will be placed at the end of his debut CD as a bonus track and forgotten, as it should be.
Sheri		#372	[-]
Posts: 760 (05/29/09 11:01 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Well, what I wrote is correct. It is contractually his first single. The AI winner is contractually obligated to release the coronation song and generally does so before the tour begins. And AI dictates that the winner sing it at all publicity appearances before the tour. You're saying no one will hold NB against him. As I hope they don't. It should, however, be grounds for AI rethinking what it allows Kara to do next year.
Will		#373	[-]
Posts: 34484 (05/29/09 11:51 PM) Not a Registered User anymore Reply Quote More Recent Posts	There are two things the CD sales will do: 1. Make Idol money 2. Keep the fighting Idol fans fighting since it's impossible for either side to win.
BBSpencer		#374	[-]
Posts: 994 (05/30/09 12:00 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	After all these conspiracies, there's really only 1 person in America who won:
Licorice		#375	[-]
Posts: 1595 (05/30/09 8:07 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The Wikipedia entry for No Boundaries is pretty spot on: ---- The song has received mostly negative reviews. Former American Idol producer Nigel Lythgoe described hearing the song as the "only downside" of American Idol's Grand Finale. Misha Berson of The Seattle Times called the song "perhaps the most tuneless, hackneyed earful of 'inspirational' junk that any American Idol has been saddled with in their last chance at victory.
highwind44029		#376	[-]
Posts: 28829 (05/30/09 8:10 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ownt @ kara
IReallyHaveNoIdea		#377	[-]
Posts: 4420 (05/30/09 8:34 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	This should be prominently displayed on any commercial release of this song: Misha Berson of The Seattle Times called the song "perhaps the most tuneless, hackneyed earful of 'inspirational' junk that any American Idol has been saddled with in their last chance at victory." Kind of like the Surgeon General's warning on cigarettes.
Stoked Up		#378	[-]
Posts: 806 (05/30/09 8:49 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Has any final song been any good? I only remember "A Moment Like This," just because it was the first one and not because it was good.
eraserhead19		#379	[-]
Posts: 541 (05/30/09 9:03 AM) Fantardus Überdramaticus Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Stoked Up wrote: Has any final song been any good? I only remember "A Moment Like This," just because it was the first one and not because it was good. I actually thought I Believe was a decent song.
Sheri		#380	[-]
Posts: 769 (05/30/09 2:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Stoked Up wrote: Has any final song been any good? I only remember "A Moment Like This," just because it was the first one and not because it was good. I sort of liked "A Moment Like This" but that may have been due, in part, to Kelly's being so overwhelmed at winning when she sang it after the win and she seemed to relate so much to the song. Simon's comment about hurricanes and floods still makes me laugh about NB.

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