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2. Greg Grunberg looked quite a bit chunkier than when he started Heroes.

He actually joined Weight Watchers and lost a bunch of weight, presumably between filming this and Heroes. I know this because they had a big article on him in the Weight Watchers magazine.

Good. At least it wasn't my eyes lying to me.

As for Locke's first/second time around. I agree that it would appear the TOQ is playing Locke with a "secret" that he's not really Locke, but someone else. But this would have to be our own perception based upon what we now know. In the extras on the S2 DVD Fox and Holloway talk about how they only get one script at a time and don't know what's coming up next. So, even if the plan was for Locke to be Esau at certain points in the season, TOQ wouldn't know this. Of course, this wouldn't change the events, but as for the emotional aspect of how TOQ is playing the part, that's all got to be our perception.

And, tallulah, ITA that sending Boone for pens was simply a way for Jack to get Boone out of his face so he (Jack) could actually save Rose.

Thoughts on Walkabout:
1. That look of wonder on John's face when he realizes he can move his toes. I think on my first watch I had the impression he was more bewildered that he actually survived the crash, but now, of course, it makes more sense. The writers underscore this when that scene is replayed at the end of the ep. After the boar attack and he's knocked to the ground, when he looks at his feet again its from the same POV and he has the same look. He may even wiggle his toes, but we don't see that because he's wearing shoes.
2. When he's talking about the Walkabout at work he describes it as "a spiritual renewal where one draws strength from the earth." Of course, after the crash he experiences a renewal and draws strength from the earth via his healing.
3. Hurley is much more aggressive in these first few episodes; attacking Sawyer about the peanuts, getting so upset when he can't find a fish. He hasn't yet mellowed into the Hurley we all love.
4. Sawyer shows the soft spot that we all find out later that he actually has by handing wallets over to Claire for the memorial. True, they had no bartering value, but he could have just tossed them aside. Instead, he hands them over so some of the remains can be identified. (BTW, Sawyer was one of my fave characters early on. I despised "Saint Jack" as I call him.)

White Rabbit:
1. Veronica Hamel looks good for being 60+.
2. Both of Jack's parents seem to be a bit domineering.
3. As others have mentioned, and as I touched on above, it does appear that Locke may be Esau at some points here. He seems to know more about the island than he should if he were merely John Locke. Knowing specifically where Jack would be hanging onto a vine off a cliff edge and the interesting conversation they have afterward. All very interesting. Again, of course, this is all being seen through eyes that now know more than they did the first time.

Another observation that may or may not have been addressed somewhere in this forum... As an overall tie-in to all the characters, do they ALL have Daddy Issues? I know E9 is titled "All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues" but it seems that all of the main characters do, in fact, have Daddy Issues.

Jack = obvious
Kate = duh
Sawyer = dad got swindled
Hurley = dad left when he was a kid
Locke = didn't know his dad growing up and then gets conned by him
Sayid = dad only wanted "real men" and belittled Sayid's little bro for not killing a chicken
Jin = ashamed of his fisherman dad
Sun = controlling powerful dad
Charlie = (I don't remember any specifics, but seems like there's something)
Michael = issues with BEING a dad
Walt = his bio dad not around and suddenly "barging in"
Claire = never knew her dad except in a minor introductory way

We know for certain that Jacob physically touched some of these people, but it's possible he physically touched them all and it just wasn't shown. Was Jacob trying to be some sort of surrogate father to all these folks? Were they all brought together to work out their daddy issues in some way? Or am I just really reaching with this lame theory?

dialed in wrote:

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Locke has already been possesed or w/e you want to call it. I don't think the spirit or essau is in there at all times, but I do think he is taken over to some extent early on. It explains him being able to walk again and being the only one to stand face to face with smokey and survive. It also explains his behaviour and why sometimes he just seems to know stuff he shouldn't. I'm going to continue watching from here on with that idea in mind.

Kind of the same way he had no idea how he came back to life when he got back to the island. I don't think Essau is in complete control of him unless he needs to be there to make him do something particular.

I think there may have been a "dual personality" thing going on. I am of the opinion that Esau inhabited him, but it was a co-existence IMO. I agree that that would explain how he knew some things such as exactly where Jack would be dangling over the edge of a cliff. However, it's obviously not all the time or he would know everything about the hatch and he just doesn't. I don't think the co-habitation explains the healing of his paralysis because Rose was cured of cancer (at least she believed that and I think she was) so I think he really was healed as Locke and not as Esau. And he did not come back to life when he got back to the island. When what appeared to be a gun crate was opened his body was inside. The "Locke" who "came back to life" was Esau through and through from that moment forward. He simply used Locke's body (apparition, whatever) as a device to get Ben to kill Jacob.

Of course, all of that is simply my opinion. I could be wrong.

Just to clarify: I don't think Esau and Locke are in the same body all the time. There are moments, however, that I think Esau infiltrates and either controls Locke or influences his speech and actions. Again, just a far-fetched weak theory.

House of the Rising Sun:
I genuinely like Sun as a character but I didn't find this ep very insightful. I think it basically shows Sun as weak, making a choice to go back to a domineering, controlling husband instead of striking out on her own. And I fully understand the Asian cultural influences, having spent time in Korea, Japan, Guam, and the Philippines. Eventually we do see Sun emerge as a strong woman, even as early as the next ep when she refuses to follow Jin's order to "cover herself" because "it's too hot." But in this particular ep I just don't see it.

Other observances:
1. at Charlie's comment about his fear of bees: "If I could calm down, it wouldn't be an irrational fear!"
2. Charlie says he was forced to check his guitar. But when Hurley gets on Ajira 316 he's allowed to carry it on. Was that because the plane wasn't as full or simply a matter of different airline, different rules, or simply a writer's mechanism?

The Moth:
I thoroughly enjoyed this ep, finding much symbolism in it.

1. When Charlie leaves the confessional a Virgin Mary statue is in the foreground. I realize it's a Catholic Church so a VM statue would be expected, but to place it there at that time was, I believe, a deliberate act of foreshadowing.
2. When Kate chastises Sawyer about being a parasite she tells him, "It must be exhausting; always taking, never giving." I guess she would know, having been on the run for several years, doing basically the same thing. Not that she was as parasitical as Sawyer appears to be, but, still...
3. While Lostpedia mentions Charlies dad disapproving of his band and pressuring him to become a butcher, I think, based on this ep, Charlie's "daddy issue" was really Liam. Liam always calls him "Baby Brother." Later in the ep Charlie yells at Liam "You were never there for me!" I saw Liam being personified in Locke (trying to get him off dope), Jack (in Charlie thinking Jack was telling him he wasn't useful), and Sawyer (says, "You go ahead and do whatever it is you do.")
4. After previously labelling himself a coward in the Pilot P2, Charlie steps up as a hero in order to save Jack in the cave collapse. He'll step up again in "Through the Looking Glass."
5. I previously mentioned that Sawyer was one of my fave characters early on and that I despised Jack, calling him "Saint Jack." That's exactly what Sawyer calls him in this ep. And here I thought I was clever enough to coin that term but I must have picked it up from Sawyer.
6. Liam tells Charlie "If you're not in this band then what the bloody hell use are you?" So far in the show, all Charlie has tried to do is point out to everyone that he is the bass player for Driveshaft, usually to less than enthusiastic response, except from Locke. There's even a deleted scene in the S1 DVD where he asks Shannon if she's heard of DS and she basically says they suck.
7. Jack helps Charlie detox, only to later become an addict himself.
8. The moth symbolizes salvation three separate times in this ep. The first is when Locke points out the cocoon and explains that the struggle is nature's way of making the moth strong, implying to Charlie that his struggle to overcome his addiction will make him strong. The second time is when Charlie sees the moth in the cave and it leads them to light and an exit. The third is when Charlie tosses his dope into the fire and the moth appears again.
9. When the hand (Charlie's?) comes up out of the ground I thought of the horror movies where the hand pops out of the grave, showing us the "corpse" isn't dead. Same thing here, but on two levels. The first being physical for both Charlie and Jack, the second being Charlie's recovery.

Like I said, I saw a lot in this ep. Some of what I saw may not even be there, but just in my own warped mind. But it was still a great ep for me.

Random thoughts that occurred during viewing:

I know some of Jack's tattoos are real. Is that one on Charlie's left shoulder real of is it make-up for the show? It says, "Living is easy with eyes closed," which is a lyric from "Strawberry Fields Forever."

It has been said that Adam & Eve will be resolved in S6. Hopefully they'll also resolve the issue of the black/white stones.

Alright, that's enough of my blather.

eta: another bit of symbolism: Locke tells Charlie that while the butterfly gets all the attention, it's the moth that is stronger. Liam (the butterfly) got all the attention (lead singer, as well as the label only resigning them if Liam came back into the band), but Charlie proved to be the stronger (rescuing Jack and later drowining as he shut off the Looking Glass station).