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tomersde		#2561	[-]
Posts: 374 (06/01/09 12:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	JLK Name wrote: tomersde wrote: The ratings doesn't matter. Profitability matters. Dollhouse had horrible ratings (3.5 million viewers and 1.5 demo on average) but was renewed because it was profitable. Survivor is probably the most profitable show in cost/revenue CBS has and because CSI tanked this season, Survivor will be the 2nd most profitable show in general. Dollhouse wasn't profitable at all. FOX just gave the show another chance plus they are reducing the budget into a "reality show budget" and reducing the cast members so hows that profitable if they downgrading the show Commercial spots on Dollhouse were already sold before the show aired and they were sold on the basis that the ratings would be higher. Even before budgets cutbacks Dollhouse was dirt cheap and because of that it was profitable.
Olmec Donald		#2562	[-]
Posts: 527 (06/02/09 2:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I wonder how much the cost of making the series has changed over the years. They obviously would have had big budgets for S2 and S3 when the show was in its prime, but how would pre-ASS generally compare to post-ASS and post-FVF?
JoeJoeJunior		#2563	[-]
Posts: 2565 (06/02/09 12:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That's a good question. I remember an interview from a few years back with somebody who worked on the production of the show (maybe it was actually Burnett or Probst, I don't recall), and they talked about how when choosing a location for the winter seasons they always try to stay in the same general region as the preceding fall season, since after so many years of 'Survivor' they had built-up such a large amount of props and stuff that it had become an issue shipping it all from location-to-location. That sounds like shipping costs have increased over the years. However, if they're taking the time to lug all that shit from one location to the next, I'd have to assume they're repainting and recycling a lot of it, so in terms of constructing challenges and tribal councils and whatnot, costs have probably decreased. And of course I'm sure the switch over to HD resulted in some cost increase as well.
sa0695		#2564	[-]
Posts: 296 (06/03/09 4:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Something I found encouraging...the fake celebrity version of Survivor: "I'm a Celebrity Get me Outta Here" drew about 6 million viewers it's first night, and around 5.5 million viewers for it's second episode. The show does suck... but I still think it's a good sign that even in its 18th season.. Survivor still gets more then double the viewers of a gimmicky show like this... even with all the Heidi/Spencer drama taking place. If CBS were to cancel Survivor... and replace it with some stupid show like this, it would make no sense at all.
JerseyJerk		#2565	[-]
Posts: 4138 (06/04/09 1:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Like I said many other places its more possible that Jeff would leave before the show gets canceled They would change hosts Change Amount of castaways Change winning amount change locations to places a lot cheaper change production quality change days of the week its on change times its on change stations (switch it to another Viacom owned channel) all before they cancel it. Until you start seeing one of these things don't worry
tomash		#2566	[-]
Posts: 734 (06/04/09 8:08 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And even if they eventually cancel it, it will probably be back on the air again after a couple of years.
JLK Name		#2567	[-]
Posts: 1787 (06/05/09 12:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tomash wrote: And even if they eventually cancel it, it will probably be back on the air again after a couple of years. Exactly! Like I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here.
Olmec Donald		#2568	[-]
Posts: 531 (06/10/09 9:25 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Not sure if this has been posted yet. According to this report, Gabon was the 14^th most popular show this broadcast season and Tocantins was 18^th. Last year's report had China as 12^th and FvF as 17^th. Both reports list AI twice for its two shows but last year's includes four DWTS shows while this year's only includes two. Therefore, the actual program rankings are: Gabon 12^th, Tocantins 16^th, China 8^th and FvF 13^th. The decline of 3-4 spots is understandable given that (in Sucks' general opinion at least), China was better than Gabon and FvF was better than Tocantins. Though Survivor is declining in the rankings, the decline isn't bad when compared with shows such as Desperate Housewives (fell 4 actual spots), Grey's Anatomy (fell 4 actual spots) and House (fell 10 actual spots). It should be noted, however, that other CBS shows such as NCIS, Two and a Half Men and CSI: Miami have all leapfrogged Survivor in the past year, in addition to the debut of The Mentalist. This may diminish Survivor's value to CBS. Tocantins is swimming in the same water as Without a Trace and Eleventh Hour, which both got canned. At least Survivor costs far less to make; according to this report, Fiji cost only $6 million to produce in its entirety, whereas Eleventh Hour cost $2.3 million per episode and $4 million for the pilot. This article states that $2.3 million per episode, or $50 million dollars for a whole season, is usual for a network drama. Therefore, Survivor has a significant cost advantage over its competitors, as two seasons (26 episodes) will cost less than a quarter of the total costs for dramas. Of course, the figures I used were pre-HD and the production costs have probably doubled in that time. Even so, Survivor still costs less than half of what dramas cost. Given the ridiculously small cost of Survivor, the optimists in this thread appear to be right. Survivor should continue for at least another 5 or 6 seasons, if not more. Last Edited By: Olmec Donald 06/10/09 9:27 AM. Edited 1 times.
Edinboro		#2569	[-]
Posts: 4460 (06/10/09 4:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I will quote Dr. Will and say that if the editors would watch the first few seasons again and fix up the editing, ratings would would most likely go up. Its almost as if the editors just dont care anymore.
Mypoody2		#2570	[-]
Posts: 9616 (06/11/09 4:07 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Edinboro wrote: I will quote Dr. Will and say that if the editors would watch the first few seasons again and fix up the editing, ratings would would most likely go up. Its almost as if the editors just dont care anymore. Lol wut? I think they have done that back in China and I think that the 4 most recent seasons have reflected that beautifully. Never have we had what seems like 10 characters per-season that would be All-stars worthy. The closest they came to that was Borneo and Outback. The past 4 seasons, I would say have perfected the editing and are now even better than some of the earliest seasons.
matty p		#2571	[-]
Posts: 84 (06/11/09 5:28 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mypoody2 wrote: Edinboro wrote: I will quote Dr. Will and say that if the editors would watch the first few seasons again and fix up the editing, ratings would would most likely go up. Its almost as if the editors just dont care anymore. Lol wut? I think they have done that back in China and I think that the 4 most recent seasons have reflected that beautifully. Never have we had what seems like 10 characters per-season that would be All-stars worthy. The closest they came to that was Borneo and Outback. The past 4 seasons, I would say have perfected the editing and are now even better than some of the earliest seasons. I totally agree. The last 4 seasons have been edited really well and have turned out to be great series. China was the first season of the new era.
tullfan2		#2572	[-]
Posts: 3481 (06/11/09 7:40 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Olmec Donald wrote: Not sure if this has been posted yet. According to this report, Gabon was the 14^th most popular show this broadcast season and Tocantins was 18^th. Last year's report had China as 12^th and FvF as 17^th. Both reports list AI twice for its two shows but last year's includes four DWTS shows while this year's only includes two. Therefore, the actual program rankings are: Gabon 12^th, Tocantins 16^th, China 8^th and FvF 13^th. The decline of 3-4 spots is understandable given that (in Sucks' general opinion at least), China was better than Gabon and FvF was better than Tocantins. Though Survivor is declining in the rankings, the decline isn't bad when compared with shows such as Desperate Housewives (fell 4 actual spots), Grey's Anatomy (fell 4 actual spots) and House (fell 10 actual spots). It should be noted, however, that other CBS shows such as NCIS, Two and a Half Men and CSI: Miami have all leapfrogged Survivor in the past year, in addition to the debut of The Mentalist. This may diminish Survivor's value to CBS. Tocantins is swimming in the same water as Without a Trace and Eleventh Hour, which both got canned. At least Survivor costs far less to make; according to this report, Fiji cost only $6 million to produce in its entirety, whereas Eleventh Hour cost $2.3 million per episode and $4 million for the pilot. This article states that $2.3 million per episode, or $50 million dollars for a whole season, is usual for a network drama. Therefore, Survivor has a significant cost advantage over its competitors, as two seasons (26 episodes) will cost less than a quarter of the total costs for dramas. Of course, the figures I used were pre-HD and the production costs have probably doubled in that time. Even so, Survivor still costs less than half of what dramas cost. Given the ridiculously small cost of Survivor, the optimists in this thread appear to be right. Survivor should continue for at least another 5 or 6 seasons, if not more. The drop in number of spots for Gabon/Tocantins vs. China/Micronesia is not as bad as reported. Survivor China and Survivor Micronesia both aired during the TV writer's strike. Reality shows were not impacted but the strike caused episodes of scripted shows to either be postponed or cancelled all together. If the writer's strike had not happened then China/Micronesia would have placed lower. The strike had enough of an impact that CBS even shot a winter season of Big Brother for the first time. It is more likely that Survivor production will decide to end the show (perhaps even after season 20) rather than CBS ending it by cancelling it. I agree that I have enjoyed all of the past 4 seasons a lot more than Cook/Islands and Fiji. I'd say that I enjoyed China, FvF and Gabon more than Africa, Thailand and the latter portions of Australia (the last few episodes were really boring) and Marquesas (other than Sean and Kathy, the final 8 were kind of boring). Last Edited By: tullfan2 06/11/09 7:43 AM. Edited 1 times.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#2573	[-]
Posts: 8276 (06/11/09 11:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	matty p wrote: Mypoody2 wrote: Edinboro wrote: I will quote Dr. Will and say that if the editors would watch the first few seasons again and fix up the editing, ratings would would most likely go up. Its almost as if the editors just dont care anymore. Lol wut? I think they have done that back in China and I think that the 4 most recent seasons have reflected that beautifully. Never have we had what seems like 10 characters per-season that would be All-stars worthy. The closest they came to that was Borneo and Outback. The past 4 seasons, I would say have perfected the editing and are now even better than some of the earliest seasons. I totally agree. The last 4 seasons have been edited really well and have turned out to be great series. China was the first season of the new era. No matter how how good the casts were, those seasons will always be tainted by the HII and Exile Island. Last Edited By: Dr Will Hatch two point oh 06/11/09 8:02 PM. Edited 1 times.
tullfan2		#2574	[-]
Posts: 3483 (06/11/09 2:54 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: matty p wrote: Mypoody2 wrote: Edinboro wrote: I will quote Dr. Will and say that if the editors would watch the first few seasons again and fix up the editing, ratings would would most likely go up. Its almost as if the editors just dont care anymore. Lol wut? I think they have done that back in China and I think that the 4 most recent seasons have reflected that beautifully. Never have we had what seems like 10 characters per-season that would be All-stars worthy. The closest they came to that was Borneo and Outback. The past 4 seasons, I would say have perfected the editing and are now even better than some of the earliest seasons. I totally agree. The last 4 seasons have been edited really well and have turned out to be great series. China was the first season of the new era. No matter how how good the casts were, those seasons will always be tainted be the HII and Exile Island. Hatch stop beating a dead horse. You sound like a broken record.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#2575	[-]
Posts: 8287 (06/11/09 8:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But it's true. Gabon and Tocantins would have been exactly the same had they skipped either accessory. Micronesia would have been BETTER, you heard me right. More time should be spent on the survival and personal aspects of the game. Why should I care about person x if I barely know anything about them? You want me to talk about something positive? Tocantins was a very good season with the perfect numbered cast and a minimum of twists. Good job Mark. Last Edited By: Dr Will Hatch two point oh 06/11/09 8:07 PM. Edited 1 times.
JerseyJerk		#2576	[-]
Posts: 4148 (06/12/09 3:11 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	they really need stunt casting If you walked up to an average America on the street and asked them to name 5 survivors the people that could name 5, or at least the 5 most repeated names, would most likely be: 1. Hatch 2. Sue 3. Rudy 4. Colby 5. Rupert Did we have any one like these people in the past few years. No. Time to cast unusual people again.
CSCin3D		#2577	[-]
Posts: 12141 (06/12/09 4:53 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Edinboro wrote: I will quote Dr. Will and say that if the editors would watch the first few seasons again and fix up the editing, ratings would would most likely go up. Its almost as if the editors just dont care anymore. Complete agreeance. The editing actually has stayed the same or gotten WORSE (if this is even possible) post CI/Fiji. It's now 100% totally and unabashedly devoted to "strategy." There is literally nothing that is shown that doesn't have something to do with challenges, exile island, the hidden immunity idol, or plotting a blindside. 1. Hatch 2. Sue 3. Rudy 4. Colby 5. Rupert Did we have any one like these people in the past few years. No. Time to cast unusual people again. The thing that made them popular was that they weren't that unusual.
Olmec Donald		#2578	[-]
Posts: 539 (06/12/09 7:28 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If anything, they moved away from casting people like the above in favour of blatant attention-seeking whores like Sugar and Sierra.
tullfan2		#2579	[-]
Posts: 3486 (06/12/09 8:03 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: But it's true. Gabon and Tocantins would have been exactly the same had they skipped either accessory. Micronesia would have been BETTER, you heard me right. More time should be spent on the survival and personal aspects of the game. Why should I care about person x if I barely know anything about them? You want me to talk about something positive? Tocantins was a very good season with the perfect numbered cast and a minimum of twists. Good job Mark. Coach saved Tocantins from being a complete snoozefest. Everything else was been there done that. The worst thing that can happen to Survivor is repetition. Seeing the same thing over and over again is what makes the show boring. People want to see something fresh and new. If they did what you wanted, it would be the same thing each season over and over. Do I think that the HII and Exile Island is played out and that it is time for them to be dropped? Yes I do. I'm not an adherent of those features and they no longer add anything new to the show; however, I watch the show because I find it entertaining. Whether the entertainment comes from big characters such as Coach, or strings of blindsides or Bob crafting great fake idols is irrelevant to me. Finally, Survivor is a game show. You are watching people playing a game and the producers intended the editing to be gamecentric rather than charactercentric. When seasons are more character based it is because the gameplay is static and boring. I'm tired of posters saying that seasons suck because of lack of character development. Judging something by character development pertains only to scripted entertainment such as sitcoms and dramas where the writers have full control of the story. Survivor doesn't have a story and the editors do as much as they can to craft story arcs. I watch Survivor because I enjoy the game of Survivor. I don't root for contestants and frankly I could give a crap about any of them. Once the season is over, I am done with them. That's why I don't particularly desire to see returning players. I've seen them already and it's not fresh. Is it any wonder that most returnng players have been less entertaining on their second appearance? When I watch football, the games that I enjoy the most are the ones that are most competitive and have lots of game changing plays. Same with Survivor. That is why my favorite seasons are Pearl Islands and Amazon. Last Edited By: tullfan2 06/12/09 8:08 AM. Edited 2 times.
CSCin3D		#2580	[-]
Posts: 12144 (06/12/09 8:32 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Finally, Survivor is a game show. You are watching people playing a game and the producers intended the editing to be gamecentric rather than charactercentric. When seasons are more character based it is because the gameplay is static and boring. I'm tired of posters saying that seasons suck because of lack of character development. Judging something by character development pertains only to scripted entertainment such as sitcoms and dramas where the writers have full control of the story. Survivor doesn't have a story and the editors do as much as they can to craft story arcs. In the beginning, it wasn't just a game show. You can't watch the pre-ASS seasons and not see the producer's intention for the show to encompass much more than just strategy. They used to care a lot more and they made something really special. Now it's just any other game show, hence the complaints and nostalgia. Gameplay that's not static and boring means nothing when you don't have anything invested in the people involved. Tocantins, even with all it's supposedly great blindsides is completely unmemorable to me and barely kept me watching it the entire season.

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