There's a need for a shake up.
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FionaFlanagan |
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I don't see the need for Bernie and Max. I'm sure the teams/owners can figure out a way to run themselves. The teams could benefit and use the cash,
without Bernie taking half the money for himself.
There's a need for a shake up. |
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Charming Nemesis |
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I'm loving Alonso more and more. My favorite driver right now. BREAKAWAY!
Alonso not planning to be part of 'new' F1 Double champion mentions parallel series 08/06/09 15:00 Double World Champion Fernando Alonso has no qualms about quitting Formula One if FIA President Max Mosley's controversial €45 million (US$ 62m) budget cap deal is implemented next year. The Spaniard is squarely siding with the Formula One Teams Association in their belief that the sport will be severely diluted if an agreement is not reached between the eight opposing teams and the FIA. "I would prefer to race in any category before the new F1," Alonso was quoted as declaring by the Daily Record. "The teams have done their maximum," he said, referring to the cost-cutting proposals presented to Mosley by the FOTA teams, which span a three-year period instead of implementing drastic cuts coming into effect within a few months. The Renault driver claimed that teams cannot "suddenly move" from €500m budgets to €45m, even if certain salaries and marketing expenses are not affected by the Mosley plan. The Renault, Ferrari, Toyota, McLaren, Brawn, BMW, Red Bull and Toro Rosso teams filed their entries for the 2010 season under the condition that an agreement be reached with Mosley by June 12th, the date upon which the FIA will be publishing the entry list for next year's championship. However, the FOTA members also demanded that their entry forms be handled as a whole, meaning they should all be accepted - or rejected - by Mosley as one group. There exists a risk that the eight allied teams could be blocked out of the sport and replaced by new outfits which have already pledged their acceptance of the €45m budget cap in order to enter the series. If such were to happen, the FOTA members will explore alternatives to Formula One. And if a new high-profile series organised by the FOTA teams should become reality, Alonso has already announced his interest in signing up. "If the manufacturers organise a parallel event, that would be interesting as you would see the technology and the fastest cars in the world," he stated. The Grand Prix Drivers Association, of which Alonso is a member, declared its support for the FOTA initiative. |
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kf59 |
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I gotta agree with Alonso too - Fuck Max and Bernie in their ears. Nobody will watch F1 with a bunch of unknown cars and drivers. Thankfully all the excitement
behind the scenes is making up for the predictable racing. For all the overtaking opportunities on the track and the modifications to the aero, I see very
little wheel to wheel action. I am starting to hate KERS - and the FOTA ( Less Williams and now Force India - Making a unanimous decision harder and harder...
) is apparently thinking about banning the technology for next season as a bargaining chip at least. How are they supposed to get by on 1/10 of their previous
budget and develop this boondoggle of a power system? All it is good for is blocking a faster opponent. I've always hated seasons with options like turbo
vs non-turbo or KERS vs non-KERS, the same way I hate Max's proposed two tier system for next year. If the man is so fixated on cost cutting perhaps the
bureaucratic and political FIA should be the place to start!
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kf59 |
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To take my mind off the anxiety of tomorrow's announcements, I have carefully concluded that this season is a much closer race than anticipated!
Bassi, Massa's wife:
Alonso's Spanish pop tart, Del Rosario:
Mrs Barrichello, after a couple kids no less:
Kimi's girl, a Swedish beauty queen:
The model Sir Richard squired under Jenson's nose:
Hamilton's Nicole - Overexposed perhaps, but looks like she would be a minx in bed:
Nelson Piquet on the podium with Poliana Soares:
and the new champion, Timo Glock's Isabell Reis:
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Charming Nemesis |
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And David Coulthard was probably engaged to them all at some point.
Ah, to be an F1 driver. |
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Charming Nemesis |
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Looks like all out war is about to be declared. This is exciting!
European carmakers ready to pull out F1 teams ''The current governance system cannot continue'' 12/06/09 20:58 Europe-based carmakers announce their intentions Friday saw the world of F1 on the verge of losing the majority of its established names with the eight members of the Formula One Teams Association promising to continue their fight against the new regulations imposed by FIA President Max Mosley, set to come into effect next year. The FIA has released the entry list for the 2010 championship. Of the 13 teams appearing on the roster, three are new outfits, two are teams which have unconditionally accepted the new regulations (Williams and Force India), while the eight remaining teams are FOTA members. Of the eight Formula One Teams Association members, five are listed as conditional entrants (Toyota, Renault, BMW, McLaren and Brawn), with Mosley keeping them on until Friday June 19th by which time an agreement must have been reached or they will be removed. The three other 'rebel' teams are Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso. The FIA added them as unconditional entrants, claiming that said teams have contractual obligations which force them into entering the 2010 season. The three teams quickly issued statements declaring the contrary and reaffirmed their stand with the other FOTA members. On the table are Mosley's controversial 45 million (US $62m) budget cap (excluding certain salaries and marketing expenses), an amended Concorde Agreement offering an increased portion of F1's revenues to the teams, and a greater role for the teams in the governance of the sport. Negotiations between all parties have been at a near-standstill for weeks and the crisis has consequently dragged on. With the possibility of a FOTA-launched breakaway series increasing as a likely scenario, a series which would feature car manufacturers and well-known drivers while F1 presents a majority of new and mostly unknown entrants, the European Automobile Manufacturer's Association (ACEA) has decided to throw its full weight behind the 'rebel' teams. "Today, the members of the Board of the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association discussed the current situation prevailing in Formula One, and have concluded that the current governance system cannot continue," the ACEA press release begins. "ACEA has come to the conclusion that the FIA needs a modernised and transparent governance system and processes, including the revision of its constitution, to ensure the voice of its members, worldwide motorsport competitors and motorists are properly reflected." "The ACEA members support the activities and objectives of the Formula One Teams Association to establish stable governance, clear and transparent rules which are common to all competitors to achieve cost reductions including a proper attribution of revenues to the F1 teams, in order to deliver a sustainable attractive sport for the worldwide public," the statement reads. While supporting the FOTA members' wish to work out an agreement with the FIA, the ACEA let it be understood that it is also willing to support other initiatives which would permit the 'rebel' Formula One teams from performing their art in other areas. In other words, the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association indicated it is ready to pull out its teams from Formula One unless a satisfactory agreement is reached between the FOTA members and FIA President Mosley. "Unless these objectives are met, the BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault and Toyota along with the other teams are determined to find an alternative way to practice this sport in a manner which provides clarity, certainty of rules and administration, and a fair allocation of revenues to the competing teams," the ACEA statement concludes. |
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ginaf20697 |
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This could either be great or it could be Indy Car all over again. We shall see.
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kf59 |
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A breakaway series? They gave Max and Bernie too much power and now the lawyers will keep racing out of Monaco and traditional F1 tracks for any new series
I'm sure. This is teh suckage...
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Charming Nemesis |
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Maybe for a year, but they will race there. On the BBC Monaco broadcast they interviewd Prince Albert of Monaco and he basically said they will go with
breakaway if it happens. Not directly, but he heavily implied it. You could tell he has disdain for Max.
This has been building up for over a decade. The Max and Bernie show have ruined the sport. I'm happy it's happening, but in the end, I don't expect it to happen and it's just another negotiating tactic. |
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Charming Nemesis |
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My dream "alternate" tracks for the breakaway series without all of Bernie's excessive demands, until the F1 contracts expire. Pretty much all
with an F1 history and pedigree.
Canada - Mosport. It needs upgrades, so use Montreal until they are done.
USA - Watkins Glen. Bring back the American passion.
Mexico - Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez. One of my favourite tracks.
Japan - Aida. Mickey Mouse, but Suzuka and Fuji are taken.
Australia - Adelaide street circuit. Way better than Melbourne. Great Britain - Silverstone is available, but Brands Hatch would be cooler.
Italy - Mugello. Lovely track.
Spain - Jerez. I like it way better than Barcelona.
Portugal - Estoril. A better verion of Barcelona.
Austria - A1-Ring. A smaller, modernized version of the old epic Osterreichring. Loses none of it's appeal. France - Paul Richard. Another track I like.
San Marino - Gotta bring back this great track.
South Africa - Kyalami. Another great track.
Brazil - Jacarepagua in Rio. It's RIO dammit!
Belgium - Zolder. Spa would be ideal, but Zolder is classic.
Zanvoort - In the Netherlands.
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tomersde |
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Charming Nemesis wrote: It will happen. Bernie and Max have become too delusional to see what will happen if he doesn't settle. The only reason the teams haven't broken away years ago was the power of the F-1 brand. But now when F-1 brand will loose it's prestige the teams can break away without any concerns. |
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FionaFlanagan |
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I think it's going to happen too. There's way too much anger toward Bernie and Max. And if they insist Ferrari is under contract until 2012 as they do.
Ferrari could run 1 car and a test driver in the old F1. They could race to test all season and keep the contract.
Vicc, All of those track choices look good. I don't see a problem for the new series getting good tracks. I'm going to Mosport this sunday to the vintage races. It's always a great time. I'd love breakaway F1 at Mosport eventually. It's only 2 hrs from me. |
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kf59 |
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Not only do I love the old circuits, but I love the history that Bernie and Max have sold to the highest bidders. Fuck these sanitized theme park race tracks
in the deserts!
Unfortunately, much as I love the Glen and have great childhood memories of it in the early Seventies, it is Gawd Awful far from civilization as we know it... |
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Charming Nemesis |
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So are Silverstone, Hockenheim, and Magny Cours. Many tracks are pretty rural and far away from a major center.
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Charming Nemesis |
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Good article that provides a history of the feud, and pros and cons for both. And they picked tracks that I mentioned. :D
Civil war Cases for a new series and the existing F1 championship 19/06/09 22:04 As Formula One as we know it seems set to pull itself into two opposing and competing factions, we take a look at the pros and cons of two very differing championships. Of course, there could always be a last minute deal but more likely is a long drawn out court battle ahead of a final solution and two rival series competing for the same fans. While fans and pundits alike have fierce views one way or another with many looking at the carnage in the US open wheel racing scene as the Indy Racing League went against the might of CART, there really is no parallel to the situation facing Formula One and FOTA at the moment. To put the CART issue to bed once and for all - as I doubt the likes of Damon Hill or Eddie Irvine know Chris Pook from a hole in the wall - the newly formed IRL had the golden ticket in the Indy 500 and after poor management at CART, the manufacturers defected to the new series. CART reinvented itself as Champ Car following its stock plummet, but as a spec-series, it was doomed. The situation here is very different and a new series as well as an old series could co-exist. Couldn't they? The case for a FOTA championship Ahead of the first practice session for the British Grand Prix, the eight members of the Formula One Teams Association announced their intention to form a breakaway championship and no longer compete in the FIA Formula One World Championship from 2010. Disagreement with the sport's governing body dates back years with the former team alliance - the now defunct Grand Prix Manufacturers' Association - proposing a similar breakaway back in 2005. This time the FOTA members are fully serious and there is no reason to doubt that they will fail to follow through their actions and will race in a new series in 2010, especially when considering that the car manufacturers themselves promised support. The reasons behind the breakaway are numerous, but most revolve around the FIA and the way in which the sport is run in terms of rule changes and the way in which those rule changes are applied. Money of course also play a factor. The straw that broke the camel's back - so to speak - has been the insistence from the FIA that a budget cap of 45m (US $62m) be introduced for next season. Many of the top teams and FOTA members spend many times that level and such reductions would result in massive staff reductions. I won't get into the decision making process or the reasons behind it, but instead what can be gained by the FOTA eight breaking away from the FIA Formula One World Championship. As it stands, roughly half of the revenues generated by the sport go to the commercial rights holder and half go to the teams. CVC Capital Partners, a global private equity firm, purchased the commercial rights to Formula One in late 2005 with the deal given the green light early the following year. To make things simple, effectively CVC purchased the rights from Bernie Ecclestone and his collection of companies. Ecclestone had previously purchased the commercial rights from the FIA for a 100-year period. Now the precise details regarding the financing of the deal is complex and tedious, but CVC borrowed the reported two billion plus US dollars to purchase the rights to the series. Bernie Ecclestone was retained as CEO at CVC and remained in control of the sport he had nurtured and developed. Now with massive debt to pay, CVC needed Ecclestone to go out there and make some serious money. New venues with state funding willing to pay top rate for a Grand Prix were given the nod by Ecclestone as the series began its drift away from its traditional heartlands of Europe and North America, to new venues in the Far East. The teams meanwhile were dismayed when first the United States and then Canada disappeared off the Formula One calendar with both unable to meet the increasing financial demands put forward by Ecclestone and his sanctioning fee escalator. The new series, dominated by the car manufacturers, would be able to select the markets that are important to them and would undoubtedly look to the North American markets. They would have plenty of choices in terms of circuits with Indianapolis and Montreal prime targets as well as former Grand Prix venues such as Imola, Estoril, and Mexico City able to cater to their needs. Silverstone is and Hockenheim could soon be available too. Another advantage for the new series is that they would be able to create their own rules without influence from the FIA and keep the revenues generated by the new series for themselves to arguably - offset the costs of the new series. In other words, they would be completely in control of their own destiny. If FOTA found that fans preferred turbo charged four cylinder engines to the current frozen V8 engines, they would be free to make the change. If they wanted to push forward with four wheel drive technology as well as green initiatives, they would be free to do so assuming a collective agreement. One way to start a new series quickly is to purchase an existing series. Tony Teixeira has already gone on record, perhaps half in jest, saying his A1 Grand Prix series could be for sale at the right price and that would be something of a turnkey solution for FOTA. Of course fans would determine the success of any new series as would world-wide television revenues, but there are plenty of reasons as to why a new series could get under way and indeed thrive. The case for the FIA championship With Honda pulling the plug on their Formula One programme last year, the FIA and the commercial rights holder finally woke up to the fact that the series was in danger of running out of teams. This was largely their own doing with various barriers to entry put up over the last decade including the ludicrous bond that had to be filed with the governing body in order to even enter the sport. From actively discouraging new entrants a few years ago, the FIA has made a huge about-turn and is now welcoming the independent teams into the series with advance funding from Ecclestone and the commercial rights holder, plus caps on expenditure. Formula One has global television coverage and races at the newest if not finest nor grandstand-filled circuits in the world. It enjoys enormous media coverage and according to CVC Capital, brings in over two billion US dollars a year in revenues. With the FOTA eight going off to start their own series and with much lower costs in place for the 'new' F1, the series will be able to attract plenty of entrants keen on being associated with the Formula One brand. In addition to the new entrants, Williams and Force India have pledged their allegiance to the series. With lower budgets in place, any debate about increasing the share of revenue between the commercial rights holder and the teams is now over as such massive funding to run a two car team is simply no longer required. With a cap on expenditure in place, the television revenue alone could in simplistic terms - support a team with sponsorship becoming something of a bonus. The FIA could continue to create the rules for the championship without the interference from the teams while CVC could continue to pay back debt and should the series prove popular with the new entrants, look to push forward the long-hoped for floatation of the series on the stock markets. The series would return to its roots with teams that only exist for racing competing for top honours and perhaps arguably, less of a major marketing exercise for the car giants. All of the above being said... Of course, there is also the question of fan loyalty: established teams having world-renowned drivers are by far a bigger attraction. In the short term FOTA will have that, while F1 might be fielding a 13-team field including 11 new outfits mostly unknown to the world. From a fan's point of view, without forgetting the tedium caused by the constant politicking within F1, a new fresh start might be the thing needed to concentrate on racing as a sport and spectacle before anything else. And for those fans, who now see the possibility of seeing a major new open-wheel series returning to popular venues left behind by F1 instead of state -funded destinations where grandstands are either more than half-empty, covered under canvas or supplemented by off-duty soldiers in civilian clothing the choice might be an easy one to make. Perhaps it really is time for a change? |
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FionaFlanagan |
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No breakaway series now. Max caved in on the cap but I haven't seen what it's going to be. I guess FOTA got more reasonable caps and whatever else they
wanted. The FIA must have realized how fucked they were because FOTA called their bluff and were serious.
In a way it sucks though. I was looking forward to some of the real tracks back. And in my heart I want JV back racing. It would have happened for sure with 2 series running. But I still have my fingers crossed. |
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Charming Nemesis |
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Knew it wouldn't happen. Max blinked. He's gone in October.
It would have been great to have some good tracks back instead of Bernie giving races to the highest bidder with the most generic track. We'll be doing this again in 2 years. |
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ginaf20697 |
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You would think these guys would've learned by now...
F1 boss Ecclestone praises Hitler, Sadam |
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Charming Nemesis |
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Does it surprised anyone that Bernie identifies with despised dictators?
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kf59 |
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The three new teams are mandated to use Cosworth engines to avoid giving any more power to the real car makers Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes.
CVC must be *pissed*! |
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