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youfist		#2281	[-]
Posts: 4263 (07/22/09 10:41 AM) More Recent Posts	factoryhurl wrote: i don't think it's anything you will have to worry about. What is the definition of rich? The liberal messiah keep moving the goal posts.
factoryhurl		#2282	[-]
Posts: 11311 (07/22/09 10:42 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts	i am doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.
PassionatePiscesMan		#2283	[-]
Posts: 8150 (07/22/09 10:44 AM) Registered User More Recent Posts	I wanna get rich pay lots and lots of taxes to get goooooood karma
chazdole		#2284	[-]
Posts: 6 (07/22/09 10:55 AM) More Recent Posts	Boy, I must have REALLY been drunk last night. No latte, just a Kroger columbian coffee with hazelnut creamer. Addicted to the stuff. I rarely post, but have been following Sucks for a couple of years.
superguppie		#2285	[-]
Posts: 26541 (07/22/09 11:18 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts	YAY! CHAZ IS BACK! Tell us about yourself.
factoryhurl		#2286	[-]
Posts: 11312 (07/22/09 11:21 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts	PassionatePiscesMan wrote: I wanna get goooooood karma ::smotes
lilnubber		#2287	[-]
Posts: 11424 (07/22/09 11:36 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts	Um, 10% employment means that those 10% of people don't have health insurance. I do not have insurance through my employer. Luckily, my husband's employer actually gives a shit about its employees, but in the event I want to get a divorce, I'm fucked.
youfist		#2288	[-]
Posts: 4266 (07/22/09 11:40 AM) More Recent Posts	lilnubber wrote: Um, 10% employment means that those 10% of people don't have health insurance. I do not have insurance through my employer. Luckily, my husband's employer actually gives a shit about its employees, but in the event I want to get a divorce, I'm fucked. Where in the US Constitution does it say if your husband divorces you the Government is to provide you with free healthcare? Also, where does it read that you MUST have this insurance or they will FINE you? My FIST healthcare plan would look like this... If you don't have it and need it, apply like foodstamps or welfare. Then, you get a card or a stipend or something. Forcing the WHOLE country to change their coverage because a few douchebags don't have it is nuts.
springfeverish		#2289	[-]
Posts: 2884 (07/22/09 12:58 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	You really need to switch to decaf. You do know that there will be private insurance, right? Only now they are going to be forced to be more competitive. If they continue to fuck over patients, they can be dropped or shopped around since you will no longer be forced into your employer'soffering. And if they continue to fuck over hospitals and docs, the plan will be dropped. A two-tiered system isn't the boogy boogy the GOP is making it out it be; France and Australia are quite happy with theirs. Best tweet of the day: FLASH: Jim DeMint steps up his "Waterloo" campaign, produces Obama's Corsican birth certificate.
youfist		#2290	[-]
Posts: 4281 (07/22/09 1:03 PM) More Recent Posts	springfeverish wrote: You really need to switch to decaf. You do know that there will be private insurance, right? Only now they are going to be forced to be more competitive. If they continue to fuck over patients, they can be dropped or shopped around since you will no longer be forced into your employer'soffering. And if they continue to fuck over hospitals and docs, the plan will be dropped. A two-tiered system isn't the boogy boogy the GOP is making it out it be; France and Australia are quite happy with theirs. Best tweet of the day: FLASH: Jim DeMint steps up his "Waterloo" campaign, produces Obama's Corsican birth certificate. you need to switch to O'Doul's Page 16 of the 1000 (+) page report says differently "Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law. So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised - with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny. Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives. It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002. http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854
squashthebeef		#2291	[-]
Posts: 20285 (07/22/09 1:10 PM) super badass More Recent Posts	y'know ya' don't have to have insurance to see a doctor, right? You can always do this thing called PAY.
springfeverish		#2292	[-]
Posts: 2885 (07/22/09 1:17 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	You forgot this part: Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage. Well, duh, isn't that the whole premise of insurance that the more that pay in the cheaper it is for everyone? Maybe the CEO of United Health will have to cut his 125 million a year salary to make his company more competitive.
B DeBrun		#2293	[-]
Posts: 20825 (07/22/09 1:18 PM) More Recent Posts	lilnubber wrote: Um, 10% employment means that those 10% of people don't have health insurance. I do not have insurance through my employer. Luckily, my husband's employer actually gives a shit about its employees, but in the event I want to get a divorce, I'm fucked. I think the first sentence needs to be reworded. But I get the gist of it.
PassionatePiscesMan		#2294	[-]
Posts: 8153 (07/22/09 1:19 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	It's also true of hospitals. Maybe they will give you subprime mortgages
youfist		#2295	[-]
Posts: 4284 (07/22/09 1:20 PM) More Recent Posts	springfeverish wrote: You forgot this part: Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage. Well, duh, isn't that the whole premise of insurance that the more that pay in the cheaper it is for everyone? Maybe the CEO of United Health will have to cut his 125 million a year salary to make his company more competitive. and you forgot about this part.. In a call asking for support on health care reform from liberal bloggers, President Obama admits that he is not familiar with a key provision of the bill he is pushing. The health reform bill is a legal document that is more than 1,000 pages long, and by every measure requires a good amount of time to go through and digest. The health care reform legislation is massive in scope and in impact, so it seems logical that the executive and legislative branches should take the time to read it. According to The Examiner, "He asked: 'Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?' Obama replied: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about." http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276317 So he is either a stupid fuck or a lying asshole, which one?
springfeverish		#2296	[-]
Posts: 2886 (07/22/09 1:22 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	squashthebeef wrote: y'know ya' don't have to have insurance to see a doctor, right? You can always do this thing called PAY. Actually, I do. My gyn is a 'boutique doctor' who limits her practice to women of a certain age: we're certain we ain't having any more. She accepts no insurance, payment is $150 a visit. She has no billing department, an minimal malpractice since she doesn't do ob.
springfeverish		#2297	[-]
Posts: 2887 (07/22/09 1:27 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Congress writes the bill remember? But you know what, I really don't care if he's aware of it or not. I simply don't so rave all you want. If private insurance as we know it goes down the tubes that's fine with me. Karen Ignagni, CEO America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) Ignagni's total compensation, according to AHIP's most recent filing from 2007, was $1.58 million, which includes $700,000 in base salary, $370,000 in deferred compensation and a bonus. Ignagni won't say how many hours a week she works. The number's so high it's embarrassing, she said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [All the following data for the 2008 salary survey is provided by Fiercehealthcare] Ron Williams - Aetna Total Compensation: $24,300,112 Details: Williams earned $24,300,112 in total compensation for 2008, with more than half of that ($13,537,365) coming from option awards. He also received an additional $6,456,630 in stock awards to go along with his base salary of $1,091,764. Personal use of a corporate aircraft and vehicle, as well as financial planning and 401(k) company matches added up to $101,487 for Williams. H. Edward Hanway - CIGNA Total Compensation: $12,236,740 Details: Hanway took a significant pay cut from 2007 to 2008, due mainly to a drop off of more than $11 million in his non-equity incentive plan compensation. Still, his base salary of $1,142,885 surpasses that of Aetna's Williams, and is supplemented by just over $3.6 million in option awards, and just over $820,000 in non-qualified deferred compensation earnings. Also, nearly $21,800 in "other compensation" included the use of a company car with a driver, in-office meals, and emergency assistance services relating to medical exams. Angela Braly - WellPoint Total Compensation: $9,844,212 Details: Braly, like Williams, earned more money in 2008 ($9,844,212) than in 2007 (9,094,271), increasing her option rewards by nearly $1.5 million, and also receiving a $200,000-plus bump in base salary, from $922,269 to $1,135,538. Braly's stock awards dropped from $2,160,159 to $1,750,015 because, according to the SEC, "performance-based restricted stock units awarded in 2008 were cancelled because our ROE target for 2008 was not met." Braly's "other compensation" comprised use of a private jet for her and her family on business trips, just under $10,000 for legal services relating to her employment agreement and cash credits. Dale Wolf - Coventry Health Care Total Compensation: $9,047,469 Details: Wolf is the only CEO on this list who is no longer employed with his associated health plan; he retired from his position on Jan. 30 of this year after serving in that role since Jan. 1, 2005, and was replaced by former CEO Allen Wise. Wolf, whose total compensation dipped quite a bit from 2007 ($14,869,823) to 2008 ($9,047,469), was pleased with the direction the company was headed in at the time of his departure. "I am proud of what a talented group of people have accomplished over the past 13 years of my association with the company," Wolf said, "and I am confident that the fundamentals which are in place today will carry the company forward to continued success." Wolf carried a base salary of $965,000 in 2008, and earned just over $1.9 million in stock awards. His "other compensation," which amounted to $486,447, included transportation on the company's airplane, a company match retirement savings plan and a company match 401(k) plan. Michael Neidorff - Centene Total Compensation: $8,774,483 Details: Neidorff, who's base salary remained at $1 million, received increases in both his bonus ($1.25 million, up from $1 million) and his stock awards ($4.7 million, from $3.98 million) in 2008. According to the SEC, "Neidorff's agreement was amended twice in the past twelve months; (1) to eliminate the non-compete and non-solicitation requirements if there was a 'hostile change in control' as defined in his agreement and (2) to add language to the agreement to make it compliant with Internal Revenue Section 409A." Neidorff's "other compensation" of just over $418,000 comprised of use of the company airplane "for all travel," life insurance benefits, security services, and tax preparation services, among other things. James Carlson - AMERIGROUP Total Compensation: $5,292,546 Details: Despite a lawsuit regarding Medicaid fraud that cost the Illinois plan $225 million, Carlson himself earned roughly $2 million more than he did in 2007. All aspects of his compensation increased in 2008, from his base salary (up from $608,000 to just over $761,000) to his non-equity incentive plan compensation (up to about $2.8 million from $1.98 million a year ago). Carlson's bonus also grew quite a bit, going from $225,000 in 2007 to $520,312 in 2008; much of that amount was based on long term incentive program goals being met. Carlson's "other compensation," which nearly tripled (going from about $7,000 to just over $20,000), included his employer 401(k) contribution, life insurance premiums, an executive health screening, flight services and a medical insurance stipend. Michael McCallister - Humana Total Compensation: $4,764,309 Details: Despite its pick ups of two smaller health plans (OSF Health Plans of Peoria, IL and Cos/Cariten Healthcare of Knoxville, TN), Humana's McCallister earned roughly $5.5 million less in 2008 than in 2007. While his base salary ($1,017,308), option awards ($3,078,897) and "other compensation" ($668,104) all increased, his non-equity incentive plan compensation and his nonqualified deferred compensation earnings totaled zero dollars. The latter represents a discontinuation of the Officers' Target Retirement Plan, according to the SEC. McCallister's "other compensation" included personal use of the company aircraft for him, and sometimes his family; company contributions to the Supplemental Executive Retirement & Savings Plan and the Humana Retirement & Savings Plan; a once-a-year physical, financial planning assistance, and more. Jay Gellert - Health Net Total Compensation: $4,425,355 Details: Gellert, whose company is considering selling off divisions in at least four states, earned nearly $740,000 in additional compensation for 2008. His overall base salary increased to a little more than $1.2 million from about $1.18 million in 2007, and his stock awards also rose (from about $1.4 million to more than $1.8 million). Gellert's "other compensation," which totaled $131,526, included, but were not limited to, a $53,000 housing allowance, a corporate car and tax reimbursements of nearly $41,000. Richard Barasch - Universal American Total Compensation: $3,503,702 Details: After taking a pay cut from 2006 to 2007, Barasch more than doubled his total compensation for 2008, jumping up from $1,564,293 in 2007. Barasch's base salary jumped up to $857,851 from $798,340 in 2007; his stock and option awards also increased, as did his "other compensation," which reflected a car allowance, relocation benefits and a matching contribution to his 401(k). Also of note for Barasch was the fact that his non-equity incentive plan compensation earnings totaled $1,195,147; in 2007, he did not receive any money in 2007 for such compensation, but took home $1.1 million in 2006. Stephen Hemsley - UnitedHealth Group Total Compensation: $3,241,042 Details: An $895 million class-action lawsuit over stock-option back dating aside, Hemsley still manages to make the cut for this list at No. 10. The UHG CEO's base salary was $1.3 million in 2008, to go along with a non-equity incentive plan compensation worth just over $1.8 million and "other compensation" amounting to slightly more than $119,000. Hemsley's other compensation was a combination of the company matching his contributions under the 401(k) plan and the company matching contributions under his executive savings plan. According to the SEC, "in May 2006, the amount of Hemsley's supplemental retirement benefit was frozen based on his current age and average base salary and converted into a lump sum of $10,703,229." Because of this, "there was no increase in the benefit payable to Mr. Hemsley under his supplemental retirement benefit" in 2008.
DelosWorld		#2298	[-]
Posts: 1531 (07/22/09 1:30 PM) More Recent Posts	lilnubber wrote: Um, 10% employment means that those 10% of people don't have health insurance. I do not have insurance through my employer. Luckily, my husband's employer actually gives a shit about its employees, but in the event I want to get a divorce, I'm fucked. Assuming they had it while working they could still have it through COBRA. Congress also added subsidies to COBRA for people under the stimulus bill. And let's not forget the SCHIP program. Doesn't that cover the chirdrens? The final bill designates $ 24.7 billion to aid estimated 7 million people have already been or are expected to be involuntarily terminated between Sept. 1, 2008 and 31 December 2009, paying 65% health insurance available to them through 23-year-old Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act program. COBRA allows employees who are dismissed or voluntarily leave their employment to remain at their former employer, the group health plan for up to 18 months, which may be extended to 36 months for those with extenuating circumstances. Employers are permitted to charge COBRA enrolled up to 102% of actual cost of group health premiums, on average more than $ 1000 per month. The grants would be available for a maximum of nine months or until the worker receives an offer of any new offer by the employer or the health care coverage becomes eligible for Medicare, for people who earn less than $ 125,000 per year or $ 250,000 per household. Welcomes the COBRA health insurance provisions and $ 1 billion in new funding for research on comparative effectiveness. Karen Ignagni, president and CEO of American Health Insurance, said in a statement the decision "should build on the momentum of reforms to ensure that all Americans have access to high quality The health care coverage affordable. " http://www.insurancenewsnet.org/html/HealthInsurance/2009/0306/Obama-signs-of-stimulation-of-the-bill-includes-retroactive.html So don't get a divorce unless your hubby forst gives you a job and terminates you so you can qualify for the subsidized COBRA.
youfist		#2299	[-]
Posts: 4287 (07/22/09 1:33 PM) More Recent Posts	Congress writes the bill remember? But you know what, I really don't care if he's aware of it or not. I simply don't so rave all you want. If private insurance as we know it goes down the tubes that's fine with me. I get it...you don't like Palin's answer (not knowing the Bush Agenda) to CHARLIE...that gets you all fired up. But a Trillon dollar (+) spending bill that this douchebag is trying to ram through that he doesn't know a HUGE part about...that will put private companies out of business and turn our health care over to the same people that gave you the.. Postal Service The DMV the IRS Plus, Rahm Emanual's brother is writing this bill. You think Nancy 'leatherface' Pelosi is writing it? Laughable
PassionatePiscesMan		#2300	[-]
Posts: 8154 (07/22/09 1:35 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Well then pay them whatever just tax them at 90% - Who really writes the bills - some staff flunkies. Congress have no idea WTF they are voting on and Obama doesn't know what he signs on to. Feel good now?

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