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Katy Carney |
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I loved Fear Itself. One of the first times I really started to like Anya.
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Oaf |
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I loved Fear Itself. One of the first times I really started to like Anya.Yeah, in season 3 she wasn't exactly her own, you know what I mean? She was a much more serious, less awkward version of herself. She started to show signs of the great character she was going to become in 4x03, but it's in around here that she truly embraced her quirkiness and straightforwardness. Plus, she and Giles make a great comedic duo. |
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myopics |
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The riddle - The wizard hat in No Place Like Home?
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Oaf |
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The riddle - The wizard hat in No Place Like Home? Indeed. Giles should make a fool out of himself more often. |
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Oaf |
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My 57th favorite Buffy episode of all time:
Season 3, episode 15. Written by Marty Noxon.
Faith handles stabbing a man in the chest in all the wrong ways, leading the people around her to try and help her by shouting at her, punching her in the face, and tying her up in chains.
This is the turning point of season 3. This is where everybody takes sides. Faith realizes she's an evil maniac, while Buffy decides that she's a boring moral compass. The mayor is revealed as the villain he is. Trick gets dusted and is replaced by Faith. Wesley does something unforgivable and then starts showing signs of remorse. Even Willow and Xander get to grow up and learn a few important life lessons. In short, this had the potential to become a masterpiece, a work of art, as it has so much going for it. Instead, we ended up with just a very, very good episode.
So why didn't this game-changer end up in the company of legends like "Innocence" and "Angel"? Why is it only number 57 on this list? Because it's not enough for an episode to be a game-changer. it also has to do it in a game-changing way. I felt that "Consequences" had a lot of missed opportunities, mainly because it played "by the book" for the most part.
Let me explain what I'm getting at. Marty Noxon is quite talented, but every time she does an "emotional" episode, it feels sort of flat. The script is kinda melodramatic, and the acting is kinda melodramatic, and the whole thing screams "you need to feel troubled by the goings on, RIGHT NOW!!!". There's no subtlety, no thinking for yourself. When Buffy and Faith were in the alley, with Buffy acting as the voice of reason and Faith as the warning sign for slayers gone bad, it got so educational that I had to turn my gaze from the TV for a bit. When Angel had Faith in chains and was lecturing her about how to deal with the bad bad badness that's inside us all, I wondered what show I was watching. When the episode wasn't acting melodramatic, it was acting "epic". Sometimes the score literally came out of the loudspeakers and told me that what's taking place on the screen is indeed bigger than life and oh so very important. Again, I wish they would have gone for more subtlety, letting the events themselves dictate the tone of the episode instead of pounding us with what we should be thinking and feeling in every step of the way.
With all that being said, it was still great for the most part. It had a lot of moments that were really well-handled and well-done. Faith telling Giles that Buffy was the one to kill Finch really had me at the edge of my seat, worried for the fate of our heroine. Xander trying to help Faith was endearing and worrying at the same time. Cordelia meeting Wesley for the first time was hilarious, mostly due to Alexis' physical comedy.
This episode had a very strange mix of very good parts and very bad ones. Ultimately, the bas parts get outweighed by the good parts, but they keep this episode from being the excellent episode it could have been.
High point: Willow crying in the bathroom after discovering Faith took Xander's virginity away. It's unbelievable how heartbreaking two seconds of television can be, all thanks to Allison's great acting (and waterworks) skills.
Low point: Buffy and Faith at the docks. Buffy, if you came there to help Faith, why are you running away the moment she starts speaking, and why are you punching her when she continues to do so? That's not very helpful, now, is it?
Quality Quote: WILLOW: I-it's like all of a sudden I-I'm not
cool enough for you because I can't kill things with my bare hands.
That was the most adorable thing in the history of the universe.
Riddle: how many leopard cubs were killed to the $$+%%* Buffy is wearing at the docks?
Real Riddle: Buffy gets investigated after being suspected of murdering someone. Name one other occasion when she was suspected of murder, and two occasions when she suspected herself of murder.
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myopics |
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The riddle:
- Buffy was suspected for the murder of Kendra in Becoming (II) following the events that took place in the previous episode. - She reckons herself a murderer after a fight with her mom's boyfriend results in him falling down the stairs in season 2's Ted. - Buffy once again believes that she has taken human life in Dead Things, where the Trio trick her into believing she killed Warren's ex. A bit on that... I think Dead Things is very underrated for the hype its been getting (i.e. NONE!). You're right in pointing out that As You Were saw Buffy at a new low. Where Riley, someone who was formerly recognised by everyone (even himself) as nowhere near Buffy's league shows up with the perfect life and a wife in tow and catches Buffy at peaks of her humiliation twice; working at the Doublemeat Palace and in bed with Spike. That was a social low for her and did indeed lead to her starting on the path to recovery that very same episode. Dead Things, however, marks the all time low for Buffy from an introspective point of view. Katrina's murder forces her to reevaluate what she is really capable of. "Subtle" isn't exactly the first word that springs to mind when one considers the two scenes in the last act where she brutaly beats Spike in an alley and where she confesses her affair with Spike to Tara. However, just like in I Only Have Eyes For You (I'm rambling, I know), the overarcing theme just clicked so seemlessly and beautifully with the plot of the week (Trina's death). Its perhaps the first time Buffy sees herself as inhuman. To the point where she begs Tara to tell her that she isn't the woman she used to be. The episode had exactly the perfect balance of storyarc significance and standalone material. The focus shift and structuring of the episode was also spot on, providing tension and climaxes in all the right places (lol, sounds filthy). I consider Dead Things to be pivitol to Buffy's development. Yet, one hardly sees the episode being mentioned by Buffy fans at all... much less discussed in depth. Lol, sorry. That wasn't really relevant, but having seen Dead Things recently and rehashing it in my mind when thinking about the riddle... I just had to say something about its greatness. I hope it shows up somewhere in the top 50 of your list.
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08/06/09 9:21 AM.
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Katy Carney |
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Consequences! Another episode that I loved. I could never do this ranking.
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Oaf |
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Consequences! Another episode that I loved. I could never do this ranking.Seing that I also loved "Fear Itself", being ranked #57 does not mean it's not a great episode. I'd say even my least favorite episode has some good moments in it The riddle:You're of course right about the riddle. It's always interesting when Buffy has to deal with the consequences of fighting a war with casualties. Sadly, I can't say too much about "Dead things" and its placing, but you raise some very good points and I'll get to them in the episode's write-up, which might come soon and might not. |
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Oaf |
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My 56th least favorite Buffy episode of all time:
Season 5, episode 15. Written by Jane Espenson.
There's a new girl in town named April (not the Barbie bitch from Big Brother, and not the other Barbie bitch from Big Brother, either), and she's looking for her boyfriend, Warren. Have you seen him?
Much like "Intervention" had to deal with coming after "The Body" and "Forever", this episode had to deal with coming right before them. They chose to handle it by presenting us with lightheartedness and fun, so that the blow would be harder. And it was, so kudos for them. But if "I was made to love you" has one problem, it's that it's too lighthearted and fun.
Raise your hand if this episode has left any impact on you whatsoever after you've watched. Right, no hands raised. It supposedly deals with complicated issues such as love and devotion, but it barely scratches the surface of it, and what we're left with is a few (admittedly poignant) scattered sentences about the subject, separated by surfacey stuff.
Luckily, they gave Jane Espenson the chance to write the surfacey stuff, so it came out alright. Anya getting annoyed with the robotness of April, not noticing that she herself is a robot; the comedic timing of Ben finding himself in Glory's dress; Buffy and Dawn making Joyce spin in her dress (maybe that's why she dies a little later). It's all great. But that's just decoration on top of the real story in the episode: April programmed to look for Warren even though he has no interest in her anymore. And that part never really "clicked".
Maybe the problem lies with the acting of the woman playing April. I know it's her job to act robotic, but maybe if she mixed it with a few human gestures it would have worked better. And maybe the problem lies with our lack of connection to the goings on. This is Warren's first appearance, and he's yet to become a murdering maniac - here he's just a disgusting douchebag. Why should we care for - or against - him if he's a one-episode character (at least at that point), and why should we care for April if she's a frigging robot? Much like "Beauty and the Beasts", our emotional connection to the situation is supposed to come from Buffy and her own love\attachment issues, but that's a weak connection, as she's not going through anything big this episode, she merely decides to not date Ben.
Again, this episode is neat, but it's not a long-term investment, if you understand what I'm saying. You won't find underlying brilliance here, so look somewhere else. You will find enjoinment here, and the shock of seeing Joyce lying on the couch, lifeless, wouldn't have hit us so hard if it wasn't for said enjoinment.
High point: I don't know why, as it's so random, but I really loved how they shot the Xander\Buffy conversation near the end of the episode. The lighting was beautiful. And Warren revealing that April is in fact a robot, only for Buffy to go "Uh-huh?", was great, great stuff.
Low point: All the attempts to make April look sympathetic didn't really work. Like when she walks from door to door, or when the guys at the café make fun of her. Why should I fell for her when she doesn't feel for herself?
Quality Quote: BUFFY: Oh! Puffy Xander, uh, I'm sorry, I got ...
guess I got carried away. Are you okay?
The whole notion of Puffy Xander in itself is ingenious, if I may say so.
Oh, and…
ANYA: Oh, that girl. Tara and I met her. She speaks with a strange evenness and selects her words a shade too precisely.
Riddle: Who was originally supposed to play April? |
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ncassaro |
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Britney Spears I think?
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myopics |
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I'm kinda glad Britney didn't get the gig. It would have been super distracting and would not have added anything to the episode at all.
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tomash |
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The last scene with Joyce on the couch is so
What I like most about this episode is that it introduces us to Warren and his ability to make human looking robots. Buffybot eternal <3
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myopics |
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I adored the Buffybot too! So c00t! >.<
I've always wondered, did they intend for Warren to become a major villain in season 6. Or was his original appearance in season 5 meant to be a one-off thing? |
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Oaf |
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My 56th favorite Buffy episode of all time:
Written by Rebecca Rand Kirshner.
While Buffy is taking the potentials under her very lecture-y wing, Dawn feels left out. That changes when Willow's spell reveals that she, as well, is a potential slayer. That changes back when she realizes it was all an unfortunate misunderstanding.
Yeah, I know, season 7 sucks and this episode is a typical season 7 episode, so what is it doing so high? The reason is simple - it's my list! Get away from my list! It's my list, and I'll give bogus rankings if I want to, I'll give bogus rankings if I want to, I'll give bogus rankings if I want to. Ok, I'll stop that now.
Basically, what we're dealing with here is an episode with a whole lot of nothing. I mean it - nothing happens here. At the start, Dawn thinks she's a potential and the real potentials go for a field trip to gain some fighting experience. At the end of it, Dawn discovers that she's not a potential and the real potentials kill a vampire. A regular vampire, not even an uber one. That's it. That's all that happens. It will be remembered as the episode in which Dawn finds out she's not a potential. An action-packed episode if you will.
Seriously, the whole episode was Dawn and Amanda chasing a vampire and\or being chased by it. And when we weren't being shown that shit, we were privileged to hear a few more pointless season 7 Buffy speeches. So all in all, not the best material in the world.
So again it begs the question, what is this episode doing about 50 places higher than what would be expected from it? The short answer is, once again, it's my list, and it's in no way objective. And the just-as-short answer is, in two words, Xander's monologue. Let me refresh your memories before I go on:
XANDER: I saw what you did last night.
It really got me, that one. I think it's because of how real it felt - the show so often feels bigger-than-life and grandiose; so much that I have a hard time imagining myself in those situations, me, the non-which, non-slayer, non-vampire human self. And then here comes Xander, a full-on mortal, and talks about what it feels like to be surrounded by legends and not being one. And that gave me something to connect to, something I could understand as a mostly-normal person who's watching this show about superheroes and villains. It was a unique moment where the show stopped being a fantasy show and became a documentary about people who happen to live in a supernatural environment.
Oh, and I also really liked it when Buffy stopped with those long-ass speeches of hers for a moment and instead locked the potentials alone in the vampire's nest. That was hardcore, and it contained what was missing the most from this season - less talking, more doing.
High point: Obviously, Xander's speech. He should've taken over the speech-giving instead of Buffy. Also, Clem is always a welcome addition to the show.
Low point: scene after scene of pointless vampire chase at the high school. We've covered that in the first episode of the series.
Quality Quote: Vi, AKA Felicia Day, ruled this episode with her puns. For evidence:
SPIKE: Vi, do you think I care about a fair fight?
BUFFY: Rona, what did your instincts tell you to do
just then?
RONA: I'm sure the vampire thought we were like,
what, four helpless girls. And then Vi actually yells, "We're just four helpless girls."
Riddle: this is an easy one, but it would be painful for most of you to answer it: who were the potentials present on the field trip, and how many of them got out of the season alive and well?
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tomash |
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Yeah, that speech is good. However, I don't really enjoy any of the episodes that feature the 'potentials'. They just bug the shit out of me =/
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Katy Carney |
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tomash wrote: Agreed. Season 7 was such a let down in general, for me. |
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myopics |
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Rona, Kennedy, Molly and Vi went on the trip.
Unfortunately, Molly was killed by Caleb later in the season. Rona was badly injured in the finale but recovered and appeared again as a slayer in the season 8 comics. Vi surprisingly turned out to be a really kickass slayer and seriously owned in the finale. |
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myopics |
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What's up with this thread? I'm really looking forward to the next entry. =)
C'mon Oaf, is there anything we can do to make this thread more interesting for you too? Perhaps clues and guessing for upcoming entries or discussions on certain episodes? |
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ncassaro |
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BUMP!
The lists I like never get finished :-( |
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