Okay now that it's official that Jeff's going, Who's dumber, Howie, Jeff ?

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Vaughn2j		#61	[-]
Posts: 1404 (08/29/09 6:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Howie was dumber. Jeff was in a no-win situation. Everyone except Jordan would've put him up. His best move as HOH would've been to nom and evict Jordan, but he'd be hated by the viewers if he cut her like that. I don't buy it that Russell would've honored the F4 deal. It's more than likely he would've put Jeff up. In the F6 that is 3 pairs, the best place to be is the less dominant person of each pair -- Jordan, Michelle, Kevin.
Mrpoopypants		#62	[-]
Posts: 2569 (02/10/29 2:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	stop being so logical and rip on jeff with us :P
Zeustout		#63	[-]
Posts: 254 (02/10/07 2:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Vaughn2j wrote: Howie was dumber. Jeff was in a no-win situation. Everyone except Jordan would've put him up. His best move as HOH would've been to nom and evict Jordan, but he'd be hated by the viewers if he cut her like that. I don't buy it that Russell would've honored the F4 deal. It's more than likely he would've put Jeff up. In the F6 that is 3 pairs, the best place to be is the less dominant person of each pair -- Jordan, Michelle, Kevin. False! Russell wouldn't have turned on him until final 4.
Belligerent Ghoul		#64	[-]
Posts: 1382 (08/29/09 6:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kaysar's giving HOH to the people who had just voted him out a week before is the most stupid move to me. But Jeff & Jordough are the most stupid players EVER on this show.
yoshi		#65	[-]
Posts: 2363 (08/29/09 6:36 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WylDawg wrote: Russell said in his interviews that he wasn't turning on Jeff until at least the final 4, at which point it's only rational. So stop with the "Russell was coming after him" bullshit. Jeff took out someone who had his back for at least 2 more rounds, alienated another person who was looking out for him and left 2 people who were just waiting to get him out of there. I don't know how anyone can spin that kind of stupidity into a strategic move. I think we need to distinguish between a move that is bad personally and one that is bad for your alliance (a move can be both). An example of a good for your alliance, but bad for you personally was J-Blow's eviction of Kaysar. It arguably helped her alliance by getting rid of the (supposed) brains of the other side--but it moved her up to #1 target of the Sovs where before she wasn't on the radar. Howie's move was clearly bad for his alliance but not as bad a move for him personally because he lasted long after the mistake had been made. Jeff's move was more like J-Blow's because it put him in immediate danger that he would not otherwise have been in. Survivor Arctic said: But Russell also said in his interview that Jeff made the right move by taking him out. To ne fair, guys like Russell always think that taking them out is the best possible move a competitor could make. They fail to understand the intricacies of the game because they are used to sports competitions, which are far more straight forward.
Mrpoopypants		#66	[-]
Posts: 2571 (08/29/09 6:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	what about that fugly ignorant white trash mess Amber ... her showing up and presenting her Gawd awful face to viewers was the worst move ever. Last Edited By: Mrpoopypants 08/29/09 6:44 PM. Edited 1 times.
yoshi		#67	[-]
Posts: 2364 (08/29/09 6:40 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Belligerent Ghoul wrote: Kaysar's giving HOH to the people who had just voted him out a week before is the most stupid move to me. But Jeff & Jordough are the most stupid players EVER on this show. I think J-Blow had him in that comp regardless. He had to at least try to get something out of it. And at least he made a deal that J-Blow could possibly have followed through with (evict James) as opposed to Ollie who truly thought Dan would let him run the show and evict someone on Dan's side of the house.
CourtCat		#68	[-]
Posts: 5746 (08/29/09 6:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jeff - 20 Howie - 1 Marcellus - who gives a shit, he's a disgusting turd Jeff makes Cowboy look smart
SurvivorArctic		#69	[-]
Posts: 21651 (08/29/09 7:00 PM) Not a team player Reply Quote More Recent Posts	holy crap, how can we forget Jameka giving up playing HoH, what was it, 5 times? Even giving up the chance to play ONE time is ridiculous!
Hostile6		#70	[-]
Posts: 1715 (08/29/09 7:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SurvivorArctic wrote: holy crap, how can we forget Jameka giving up playing HoH, what was it, 5 times? Even giving up the chance to play ONE time is ridiculous! Dr. Will would disagree. Besides, it worked for her... No one wanted to vote her out because she couldn't play, She was the perfect pawn. Didn't she go up like 3 straight times or something?
unduli clone		#71	[-]
Posts: 7011 (08/29/09 7:02 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mrpoopypants wrote: what about that fugly ignorant white trash mess Amber ... her showing up and presenting her Gawd awful face to viewers was the worst move ever. BIG RED ECKS Jameka giving up HOH actually worked to her advantage. She'd have left earlier if it wasn't for the no-HOH deal.
TrevM3		#72	[-]
Posts: 5 (08/29/09 7:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WylDawg wrote: Russell said in his interviews that he wasn't turning on Jeff until at least the final 4, at which point it's only rational. So stop with the "Russell was coming after him" bullshit. Jeff took out someone who had his back for at least 2 more rounds, alienated another person who was looking out for him and left 2 people who were just waiting to get him out of there. I don't know how anyone can spin that kind of stupidity into a strategic move. This. Jeff - 21 Howie - 1
oberon090		#73	[-]
Posts: 313 (08/29/09 7:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jeff - 22 Howie - 1 Jeff is by far a dumber player than Howie. It would be like Howie in a foursome, with Janie, Kaysar and James and turning on anyone of them at a F7 situation, when he KNOWS that the F4 is solid, and they all have his back til then. Jeff was just a pussy and wanted Russell out because he was scared of him going on a challenge run and beating the shit out of him. Jeff wanted weaker players to play against, like Michelle. haha nice job Jefftard, look where it got ya!
Kitty Pryde1		#74	[-]
Posts: 10395 (08/29/09 7:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	To be fair, people can say anything they want once they're out of the house. Now that Russell's gone, he can say he would've kept Jeff to spin his image and make himself look sympathetic. After all, America DOES award 50k to a juror, so it'd be smart to start working America once you're out of the house like that.
SurvivorArctic		#75	[-]
Posts: 21655 (08/29/09 7:48 PM) Not a team player Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I would like to ask the person who opened the Door to Stupidville to close it now (thank you). And don't say it was me, that would be stupid and lame.
123tewh		#76	[-]
Posts: 162 (08/29/09 7:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Russel would have taken out Jeff anyways, Jeff didn't play both sides enough and thought he was in total control when he wasn't. Still its not as dumb as Howie, Marcellas, or Dustin who asked to be nominated then got voted off, when Jessica wouldn't have nominated him in the first place.
jensamember36		#77	[-]
Posts: 5884 (08/29/09 8:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	uh Howie was MUCH dumber, much much dumber like if JJ had done it the week Jordan was HOH then maybe it would be equal, but they waited to have more numbers
CrystalOwnage		#78	[-]
Posts: 4072 (08/29/09 8:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	jensamember36 wrote: uh Howie was MUCH dumber, much much dumber This. People are just riding high on the Jeff Hate and ignoring the obvious.
Dee0902		#79	[-]
Posts: 24 (08/29/09 8:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jeff is stupid, plain and simple. You can't try and spin his move into something strategic. I don't believe he was stupid for taking Russell out because he would've come after Jeff as soon as he got the opportunity (final 4 or not). But Jeff had to realize, everyone in the house (with the exception of Jordan and Michelle) wanted him out. His first stupid move was turning on Michelle when she didn't do anything to him. He let fat Jordan's jealousy talk his ear off about her and they trashed her for no reason (and I don't even like Michelle......but I see no reason why J/J should hate her). Then he puts all his trust in Kevin and Natalie. Natalie who's biggest ally in the game was evicted at the hands of Jeff and Kevin who's biggest ally was evicted at the hands of Jeff. WHY ON EARTH would he believe that they would not try and come after him? Dumbest move ever. The smartest thing would've been for him to take his chances with Russell and get out another member from "the other side". He's screwed either way but at least this way he isn't destroying his Final 4 alliance and losing a vote in Russell. If he had sent Kevin/Nat home, they would realize it's part of the game and if it came down to F2, he would get their votes + Jesse's against any other member in his alliance. What does he do? Sends a member from his own alliance home, allienates the other, leaves the two people who have the most reason to get him out of the house IN THE GAME, and makes it so that the only person he can count on is JORDAN? Dude deserves to go home.
Sunshine8503		#80	[-]
Posts: 14307 (08/29/09 8:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	God this is a hard one I can't choose between Jeff, Howie, and Marcellas. But what a coincidence all 3 were evicted at the final 5!

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Okay now that it's official that Jeff's going, Who's dumber, Howie, Jeff ?