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zoomom4		#12741	[-]
Posts: 358 (09/02/09 7:48 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	NickF227 wrote: Heee. Way behind (on discussion and watching show) but I watched Sunday's epi�yesterday, and noticed Jordan�constantly adjusting her boobs - this isn't normal for implants, is it? ��
diewinelle		#12742	[-]
Posts: 13939 (09/02/09 7:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	EllaD wrote: You keep saying this but how exactly is Jordan a jury threat? I can't see any of the NBK voting for her because they will have known she did squat and her only HOH was given to her by Jeff. The only person who will vote for Jordan is Jeff. I don't even think America would vote for her to win if she performs poorly in the final HOH. I think you presume that the ppl in the JH remain butt hurt long after the fact. The truth is that they all get $15K and like to seem rational to the outside world. No one wants to seem like a sore loser to the national TV viewing audience, esp. not the type of famewhore who goes on these types of shows. JB is convinced jordan is going to win. you should know by now when he gets something in his head, he never lets it go. it's the same as when he insisted for weeks that russell and natalie were working together and russell would do anything to protect her----all based on what he wrote about her in his HOH blog, i think, when jessie was still there. disregarding that russell never really liked natalie, but he had to tolerate her to have any access to jessie. disregarding that once jessie left, they never even fucking talked until the week russ was backdoored. total fiction, but he stuck to it. he's doing the same about jordan.
James Barber		#12743	[-]
Posts: 18950 (09/02/09 8:10 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	diewinelle wrote: JB is convinced jordan is going to win. you should know by now when he gets something in his head, he never lets it go. it's the same as when he insisted for weeks that russell and natalie were working together and russell would do anything to protect her----all based on what he wrote about her in his HOH blog, i think, when jessie was still there. disregarding that russell never really liked natalie, but he had to tolerate her to have any access to jessie. disregarding that once jessie left, they never even fucking talked until the week russ was backdoored. total fiction, but he stuck to it. he's doing the same about jordan. Beyond the "angel" stuff in his blog (which was high praise for someone he never liked), it was also based on Russell trying to keep Natalie from going up during Michele's HOH and Jordan's HOH. JJM also said that made them think Russell was with her. Russell wouldn't have to be close with her to want to use her for his plans, and since he basically said he was going to go after Jeff if he had a chance, I think she'd have been part of that, because he would have needed the votes. He also told her when he left that he would vote for her. You don't have to be someone's great friend in the house to want to work with them or make an alliance with them. Kevin and Natalie were never close before Jessie and Chima were gone and they had to work together.
anders332		#12744	[-]
Posts: 2820 (09/02/09 8:12 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	IReallyHaveNoIdea wrote: I'm thinking this is how it will work out, schedule-wise: Th 9/3 Live Eviction, down to F4, HoH Su 9/6 Noms, PoV comp Tu 9/8 Live PoV ceremony and eviction, down to F3, Pt. 1 of HoH Th 9/10 Pt. 2 of HoH, Live Pt. 3 of HoH, eviction, down to F2 Su 9/13 F2 champagne dinner season retrospective recrap Tu 9/15 Funolly Thanks - wonder if we can sticky this somewhere for everyone who's going to be asking.....??
compscisailor		#12745	[-]
Posts: 34 (09/02/09 8:13 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	For personal gratiication, I want michelle to confront all these fuckers, before Jeff leaves. There is no scenario where M and N are final two, so Jeff's vote can't be lost anyway. Get all 4 together, tell them how worthless they are, and tell Jeff, I have to vote you out because you are going to backstab me. Vote jeff out, win hoh, win PoV, keep it. Let jordan vote out kev, win f2, kick nat to the curb, and then call jordan empty baggage at the jury. I can dream.
Nods		#12746	[-]
Posts: 5787 (09/02/09 8:16 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	diewinelle wrote: EllaD wrote: You keep saying this but how exactly is Jordan a jury threat? I can't see any of the NBK voting for her because they will have known she did squat and her only HOH was given to her by Jeff. The only person who will vote for Jordan is Jeff. I don't even think America would vote for her to win if she performs poorly in the final HOH. I think you presume that the ppl in the JH remain butt hurt long after the fact. The truth is that they all get $15K and like to seem rational to the outside world. No one wants to seem like a sore loser to the national TV viewing audience, esp. not the type of famewhore who goes on these types of shows. JB is convinced jordan is going to win. you should know by now when he gets something in his head, he never lets it go. it's the same as when he insisted for weeks that russell and natalie were working together and russell would do anything to protect her----all based on what he wrote about her in his HOH blog, i think, when jessie was still there. disregarding that russell never really liked natalie, but he had to tolerate her to have any access to jessie. disregarding that once jessie left, they never even fucking talked until the week russ was backdoored. total fiction, but he stuck to it. he's doing the same about jordan. LOL that was only the 1 week, diewinelle you are the worst big brother historian ever. People also vote against houseguests Natalie will vote for anyone but Michele, Michele will vote for Jordan over Natalie. Natalie and Kevin will vote against the other if they get screwed over. I don't think Lydia and Michele ever talked to each other. Jessie hates Kevin for sending him home and he does hold petty grudges (he was the only one who held a grudge against Dan) Jordan/Natalie - Jordan has Michelle/Jeff/and Kevin if he feels screwed over or Lydia if she hates Natalie Jordan/Kevin - Jordan has Natalie/Jeff/ and maybe Jessie Jordan/Michele - Jordan has Natalie/Jeff/Lydia
diewinelle		#12747	[-]
Posts: 13940 (09/02/09 8:24 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	James Barber wrote: Beyond the "angel" stuff in his blog (which was high praise for someone he never liked), it was also based on Russell trying to keep Natalie from going up during Michele's HOH and Jordan's HOH. JJM also said that made them think Russell was with her. Russell wouldn't have to be close with her to want to use her for his plans, and since he basically said he was going to go after Jeff if he had a chance, I think she'd have been part of that, because he would have needed the votes. He also told her when he left that he would vote for her. You don't have to be someone's great friend in the house to want to work with them or make an alliance with them. Kevin and Natalie were never close before Jessie and Chima were gone and they had to work together. he wanted KEVIN out. KEVIN. KEVIN. kevin was a threat to him and he wanted him gone. he was not protecting natalie. there was NO evidence he was with natalie. he never talked to her. she even told kevin that once russell was saved by jeff, he would not cross jeff and there was no point even trying to recruit him. you were just wrong about what was going on. and nods......."LOL". retard.
James Barber		#12748	[-]
Posts: 18951 (09/02/09 8:24 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	EllaD wrote: You keep saying this but how exactly is Jordan a jury threat? I can't see any of the NBK voting for her because they will have known she did squat and her only HOH was given to her by Jeff. The only person who will vote for Jordan is Jeff. I don't even think America would vote for her to win if she performs poorly in the final HOH. I think you presume that the ppl in the JH remain butt hurt long after the fact. The truth is that they all get $15K and like to seem rational to the outside world. No one wants to seem like a sore loser to the national TV viewing audience, esp. not the type of famewhore who goes on these types of shows. Even if it won't be true, Kevin should still say it. Jordan is probably guaranteed at least a few votes and the show would also love it if she won. She would be avenging Jeff's loss and to them she's America's sweetheart. I think America would vote for her to win, because she has had a very good edit. Michele's edit has been confusing (last night was a mess) or nonexistent. I also think that the jury is uninterested enough or hostile enough towards Michele, due to her communication problems or nonexistent relationships with people on the jury, that they aren't going to care about distinguishing her from Jordan. I think they may end up seeing both Jordan and Michele as doing Jeff's work for him. If Michele talks about moves she has made, then besides comps, which I don't think are that big of a deal to a lot of players, all she will come up with is that she got rid of Chima, which probably won't sway most of the jury who aren't already voting for her, as Chima was the person who had helped her the week before and wasn't a big threat to her. Michele COULD have said she got Jeff out, but since she has spent days trying to save Jeff even as he doesn't care about saving himself, she can't now. No one in that jury besides Jeff will have a person in the F2 they were close to, and neither Michele nor Jordan has done a lot to give the jury reason to vote for them. That's the big question. Is anyone in that jury house going to fight for someone they see as a crazy person or a liar, a person who ended up being as devoted to Jeff as Jordan was, just in a different way? She has zero friends in there. Her closest "friend" is Russell. Are they going to see her as playing strategically or just as wanting JJ to get as far as possible? Is Natalie, who loathes Michele and who has strong influence over Jessie, going to be able to say "good game" and support her? If she takes Kevin out I can also see him voting for Jordan over Michele, especially if she gets rid of him before Natalie. She could win, sure, but my point all along has been that I don't believe there's any reason to assume Jordan is some person the jury will never vote for. I think Kevin is far more unpopular with the jury, but I guess Michele, either because he nominated her, or because she likes Jeff and Jordan, or because she assumes Jordan can't win, won't change her mind.
renacence		#12749	[-]
Posts: 31 (09/02/09 8:25 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jarvy wrote: They arent sticking up for her at all because they are getting off on how she is being toward Michele. Everytime Natalie said something about or to Michele, these two laughed at how awesome it was. When it gets down to it, evil IS more attractive than good. I'm not doing a good v. bad people here, but Nat is more interesting and fun to talk to on a non-game basis than Michelle is. I like Michelle and truly empathize with he, but as has been said said before, her lack of a good social game allows her to be an easy target for bullies. She just has so few skills in the area of social interaction that she is the "fly to wanton boys".
spanellers1		#12750	[-]
Posts: 826 (09/02/09 8:29 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	anders332 wrote: IReallyHaveNoIdea wrote: I'm thinking this is how it will work out, schedule-wise: Th 9/3 Live Eviction, down to F4, HoH Su 9/6 Noms, PoV comp Tu 9/8 Live PoV ceremony and eviction, down to F3, Pt. 1 of HoH Th 9/10 Pt. 2 of HoH, Live Pt. 3 of HoH, eviction, down to F2 Su 9/13 F2 champagne dinner season retrospective recrap Tu 9/15 Funolly Thanks - wonder if we can sticky this somewhere for everyone who's going to be asking.....?? EXCEPT, one thing. The F4 PoV comp isn't normally aired until the night of the F4 eviction, since normally, revealing the winner of the comp for the most part reveals who is evicted. Therefore, they've aired the PoV comp on Tuesday ever since BB5. Everything else looks right. Sunday might be luxury + noms or something.
scrubsoft		#12751	[-]
Posts: 808 (09/02/09 8:30 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Miles Edgeworth wrote: How can anybody consider saving the person who you just backstabbed a good idea? I get that people want jeff to be safe but from a gameplaying perspective that would be horrible Because people sometimes like it when you remove the knife you stabbed them with and clean up the wound, rather than driving it in deeper and twisting it by evicting them. Kevin was completely illogical last night when he was saying he was sure that he lost Jeff and Jordan's votes by putting them up. And that he knew Jeff was after him when he put him up last week. Hello, Kevin, he also took you off the block, and then got rid of the person who was after you. Yes, you put Jeff up, and ultimately split up Jeff's final 2 hope, but if you save him, you could still get his vote in the end, you will probably get Jordon's vote (even though you're evicting her), and you might even get America's vote for it (especially if you're up against Nat). Even just to be able to still get the vote of someone you evict (Jordan) is an amazing bonus on its own. And if you're so worried about Nat and Jordan having something, get rid of Jordan and leave Natalie on her own with all the lies that she has told that you can call her out on if she starts to turn on you. He's just not seeing the logic of this and I think it's going to screw him in the end just like Jeff screwed himself.
James Barber		#12752	[-]
Posts: 18952 (09/02/09 8:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	diewinelle wrote: James Barber wrote: Beyond the "angel" stuff in his blog (which was high praise for someone he never liked), it was also based on Russell trying to keep Natalie from going up during Michele's HOH and Jordan's HOH. JJM also said that made them think Russell was with her. Russell wouldn't have to be close with her to want to use her for his plans, and since he basically said he was going to go after Jeff if he had a chance, I think she'd have been part of that, because he would have needed the votes. He also told her when he left that he would vote for her. You don't have to be someone's great friend in the house to want to work with them or make an alliance with them. Kevin and Natalie were never close before Jessie and Chima were gone and they had to work together. he wanted KEVIN out. KEVIN. KEVIN. kevin was a threat to him and he wanted him gone. he was not protecting natalie. there was NO evidence he was with natalie. There was enough evidence that JJM wondered if he had something going on with Natalie. If I remember correctly, he didn't want Natalie up in either HOH run from Michele or Jordan. Russell was never in power for the entire time JJM had HOH. One of those three always had POV and HOH. He also had no one to talk with. The only thing any of us could do was guess at what he had in mind. I think he wanted Jeff out as soon as Kevin was gone (which made sense) and I think Natalie would have been a part of his plans. I just don't think Russell hated Natalie that much, I'm sure he was annoyed by her behavior in his last few weeks, but of everyone left in the house I think he would vote for her and I think if he'd had the chance he would have worked with her, at least until he no longer needed her.
meggie28		#12753	[-]
Posts: 3278 (09/02/09 8:38 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kevin won't keep Jeff. He's not J/J, who stupidly waste their HoH getting rid of someone totally useless. Comps are all from this point on, and leaving Jeff in would be nuts. It doesn't matter how good of a deal you think you cut with someone. It's too impossible to stick with any deal at this point in the game. Ironically though, IF Jeff stayed, it would really be Michele who would be screwed. Jeff would stab her in the back in a heartbeat because he believes anything evil you can think of to say about her. K/N's only real game mistake is actually underestimating J/J's stupidity. They can't conceive of a way in which Jeff can't see the writing on the wall, and that they totally played him and Michele is on his side. Little do they know that they could get him to target Michele in a heartbeat if he stayed.
anders332		#12754	[-]
Posts: 2824 (09/02/09 8:38 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Th 9/3 Live Eviction, down to F4, HoH Su 9/6 Noms Tu 9/8 POV, Live PoV ceremony and eviction, down to F3, Pt. 1 of HoH Th 9/10 Pt. 2 of HoH, Live Pt. 3 of HoH, eviction, down to F2 Su 9/13 F2 champagne dinner season retrospective recrap Tu 9/15 Funolly
Nods		#12755	[-]
Posts: 5788 (09/02/09 8:41 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	spanellers1 wrote: anders332 wrote: IReallyHaveNoIdea wrote: I'm thinking this is how it will work out, schedule-wise: Th 9/3 Live Eviction, down to F4, HoH Su 9/6 Noms, PoV comp Tu 9/8 Live PoV ceremony and eviction, down to F3, Pt. 1 of HoH Th 9/10 Pt. 2 of HoH, Live Pt. 3 of HoH, eviction, down to F2 Su 9/13 F2 champagne dinner season retrospective recrap Tu 9/15 Funolly Thanks - wonder if we can sticky this somewhere for everyone who's going to be asking.....?? EXCEPT, one thing. The F4 PoV comp isn't normally aired until the night of the F4 eviction, since normally, revealing the winner of the comp for the most part reveals who is evicted. Therefore, they've aired the PoV comp on Tuesday ever since BB5. Everything else looks right. Sunday might be luxury + noms or something. We'll find out Thursday, now that I think about it, Sunday has to be the recap if they do America's vote they won't let people vote for only a day, they will give them 5 days for the vote.
anders332		#12756	[-]
Posts: 2826 (09/02/09 8:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sept 10 will be next thursday and down to F2, which gives 5 days for America/Canada to vote for AC - if there is one.
cactusgirl		#12757	[-]
Posts: 57 (09/02/09 8:45 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	compscisailor wrote: For personal gratiication, I want michelle to confront all these fuckers, before Jeff leaves. There is no scenario where M and N are final two, so Jeff's vote can't be lost anyway. Get all 4 together, tell them how worthless they are, and tell Jeff, I have to vote you out because you are going to backstab me. Vote jeff out, win hoh, win PoV, keep it. Let jordan vote out kev, win f2, kick nat to the curb, and then call jordan empty baggage at the jury. I can dream. We share the same dream. Isn't it a wonderful dream?
renacence		#12758	[-]
Posts: 32 (09/02/09 8:47 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	James Barber wrote: I I also think that the jury is uninterested enough or hostile enough towards Michele, due to her communication problems or nonexistent relationships with people on the jury, that they aren't going to care about distinguishing her from Jordan. I think they may end up seeing both Jordan and Michele as doing Jeff's work for him. saving himself, she can't now. To me, Jordan is occupying the role usually set aside for the older male buffoons in the house; Chicken George and Jerry; too stupid ( it would seem) to really count for anything in terms of game play. She's the perfect F4 but out before F2. I doubt that she would win AC over Jeff because she has not done much of anything. I think everyone knows that she cheated in the POV Michelle threw to her. It depends on whether or not the jury will decide on worth based on competition v. social game if Jordan even gets there.
James Barber		#12759	[-]
Posts: 18953 (09/02/09 8:48 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	meggie28 wrote: Kevin won't keep Jeff. He's not J/J, who stupidly waste their HoH getting rid of someone totally useless. Comps are all from this point on, and leaving Jeff in would be nuts. It doesn't matter how good of a deal you think you cut with someone. It's too impossible to stick with any deal at this point in the game. Ironically though, IF Jeff stayed, it would really be Michele who would be screwed. Jeff would stab her in the back in a heartbeat because he believes anything evil you can think of to say about her. K/N's only real game mistake is actually underestimating J/J's stupidity. They can't conceive of a way in which Jeff can't see the writing on the wall, and that they totally played him and Michele is on his side. Little do they know that they could get him to target Michele in a heartbeat if he stayed. I think Jeff would target Kevin first. Even if Kevin saved him, he'd see Kevin as the guy who put him up and split him from Jordan. His pride was hurt and he's not going to take a chance on Kevin winning. After that I think he would probably get rid of Michele before Natalie. Even now he still trusts Natalie more than Michele. He says Michele is a better F2 bet because of jury votes, but Natalie knows how to get into his head. If he was alone in there with her and with Michele, who has little ability to communicate with him, Natalie would win out. I still think if Jeff had made a serious effort to get Kevin's support, Kevin would have seriously considered keeping him. As it is now, he has no reason.
James Barber		#12760	[-]
Posts: 18954 (09/02/09 8:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	renacence wrote: To me, Jordan is occupying the role usually set aside for the older male buffoons in the house; Chicken George and Jerry; too stupid ( it would seem) to really count for anything in terms of game play. She's the perfect F4 but out before F2. I doubt that she would win AC over Jeff because she has not done much of anything. I think everyone knows that she cheated in the POV Michelle threw to her. It depends on whether or not the jury will decide on worth based on competition v. social game if Jordan even gets there. Jerry had a good chance of winning if he'd made F2. Remember April basically saying he'd have her support if he got there? He was an old man, he had no allies left, and so on. He'd probably have lost to Dan but if he'd been there with Memphis I think he would have won. He was a default choice, as Jordan may be. Comp wins are important but they don't make up for personal animosity or bad jury relationships. No one voted for Adam in BB9 because he won some comps, and they wouldn't have voted for Ryan even though he won more than Adam. Michele's comp wins, especially later in the game, have ended with her helping JJ over herself, and I think that's going to make it more difficult for her to distinguish her game from Jordan. Last Edited By: James Barber 09/02/09 8:57 AM. Edited 1 times.

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