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BB11 Live Feed Discussion - VIII (8/27/09 - The End)

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TheWhiteRabbit		#12981	[-]
Posts: 150 (09/02/09 1:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	diewinelle wrote: TheWhiteRabbit wrote: Actually she has a very clear idea of what Jeff thinks about her now, or at least she should. Kevin clued her into a lot the past few days. She knows that Jeff calls her "Cuckoo Magoo", that he made a deal with Kevin and Nat to send her home and that he was planning on back-stabbing her if she used the veto on him. This, together with the way Jeff has been acting towards her the past few weeks, should paint a fairly vivid picture for her of Jeff's opinion of her. i don't see how she couldn't know. it seems so obvious. if i'd been in her position, i would have asked him about this a long time ago. i would have said 'it's pretty clear you don't like or trust me. can you tell me why?' if he'd denied it, i would have pressed him and said it's ok, i just really need to know because it's getting in the way of us working together. i honestly don't know what i've ever done to you----and then go down the list of all the times i backed him up and voted with him. hey, it would've been worth a try. but michele's a social reject. she won't do that. She has SUCH a good case to make too about how she's been loyal to Jeff this entire game. If she ever did have that conversation with him, there'd be no way he could argue that she's been loyal to anyone more than him this season. Every single promise she's made to the guy, she's delivered on. And yet he takes Nat's word as gospel truth, a person who has been on the OPPOSING alliance all season and hasn't proven ANY loyalty to Jeff yet. I love Michele but her inability to coherently express herself at times when it's so crucial for her to do so is frustrating as hell. I wish she had one person in the house who could explain to her that her biggest enemy in the game is herself.
James Barber		#12982	[-]
Posts: 18971 (09/02/09 1:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TheWhiteRabbit wrote: Actually she has a very clear idea of what Jeff thinks about her now, or at least she should. Kevin clued her into a lot the past few days. She knows that Jeff calls her "Cuckoo Magoo", that he made a deal with Kevin and Nat to send her home and that he was planning on back-stabbing her if she used the veto on him. This, together with the way Jeff has been acting towards her the past few weeks, should paint a fairly vivid picture for her of Jeff's opinion of her. I think she can tell herself Kevin must be lying. This may even be one of the reasons she wants Kevin out, because he put her up, but also because he got rid of Jeff and told her Jeff had said those things about her. It's like killing the messenger. I think in order to keep the idea going that JJ are her friends, she can't accept that Jeff hates her. It's like the way Jeff can't accept Natalie has lied to him.
elgitano		#12983	[-]
Posts: 55 (09/02/09 1:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	christy1018 wrote: I just cant imagine Natalie lying about her cramps. She is an honest - straight forward person. If she says she's hurting... then gee whiz she is hurting. dang, i love sarcasm.
Carboys Desire		#12984	[-]
Posts: 10146 (09/02/09 1:36 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	screwmatt wrote: go back and watch the pre-show interviews with michelle......she stated that her plan was to go the first two or three weeks to assess the people in the house, then pick who she felt would be the strongest and least-likely to backstab person in there to align with and go all the way with them. that's why she picked jeff and has stuck by him. it's not that she loves him. remember, she STILL has no clue about how jeff really thinks of her. the fact that she asked jeff who he would save if it was her and jordan on the block should tell you she had assumed she was in contention for final two with him because she had so obviously had his back from the beginning .she doesn't know the bashing has been going on for a long time. i'm sure she feels the way he has acted toward her face was just a result of him being on the block with her, making him cranky. remember, she's also seen him being nasty with jordan. plus, she knows it was logical with both of them on the block to throw each other under the bus. the fact that he got rid of russell when he did opened her eyes that he didn't have her best interest at heart. but as far as she knows, she just thinks that jordan is his number one, she is number two. she also feels she could possibly win against jeff final 2. Her initial assessment wasn't THAT far off. Jeff is deep down a decent person, and his initial reaction to the evil plan to seduce Michele and get her to use her Veto on him was proof of that. But after constant badgering by Jordan and Natalie he finally turned evil and would have gone along with it if Michele had given it to him. But we'll never know if he would indeed have fucked her over it she had done it. He said he wouldn't. So anyway, it makes me wonder that if this deal were to happen if Jeff would go back to feeling that he couldn't screw Michele over after she helped him. In the backyard right now J and J are discussing how weird Michele is again, with Jordan saying she might be bi-polar, as if she even knows what that means.
MacKosNak		#12985	[-]
Posts: 218 (09/02/09 1:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	christy1018 wrote: I just cant imagine Natalie lying about her cramps. She is an honest - straight forward person. If she says she's hurting... then gee whiz she is hurting. Do you really believe this? Or are you just joking? I think everything she does or says is a deliberate lie (except for what she said to Jesse and what she says when she really is angry and lets her emotions rule her actions.)
Carboys Desire		#12986	[-]
Posts: 10147 (09/02/09 1:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mexicunt is telling Kevin that they are still on her to take the deal. OOH! She now says if she doesn't take care of herself today she will be OUT OF COMMISSION tomorrow. Michele told her that's one more reason she should take the deal. Interesting.
TheWhiteRabbit		#12987	[-]
Posts: 151 (09/02/09 1:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	James Barber wrote: TheWhiteRabbit wrote: Actually she has a very clear idea of what Jeff thinks about her now, or at least she should. Kevin clued her into a lot the past few days. She knows that Jeff calls her "Cuckoo Magoo", that he made a deal with Kevin and Nat to send her home and that he was planning on back-stabbing her if she used the veto on him. This, together with the way Jeff has been acting towards her the past few weeks, should paint a fairly vivid picture for her of Jeff's opinion of her. I think she can tell herself Kevin must be lying. This may even be one of the reasons she wants Kevin out, because he put her up, but also because he got rid of Jeff and told her Jeff had said those things about her. It's like killing the messenger. I think in order to keep the idea going that JJ are her friends, she can't accept that Jeff hates her. It's like the way Jeff can't accept Natalie has lied to him. You may be right. When Kevin was telling her how Jeff REALLY feels about her last night, the point she kept coming back to was that she didn't trust a lot of what people told her because everyone's always "playing the game". This was definitely her way of shielding herself from the truth about Jeff's opinion of her. She's just NOT having it.
screwmatt		#12988	[-]
Posts: 34 (09/02/09 1:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	anders332 wrote: using her cramps when the next HOH is a Q&A - how would that work again? "oh dude...the pain was so great i couldn't concentrate......."
rennyat		#12989	[-]
Posts: 1575 (09/02/09 1:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	This isn't her first period in there: why is it so bad now? Because HOH is tomorrow. She is covering two bases---if she does poorly, she has an excuse, and she wants to throw the others off, making them think she isn't going to perform well. At anything, as she says.
daveyboy91		#12990	[-]
Posts: 7 (09/02/09 1:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Michelle is a weirdo. And a bit socially awkward. She is still playing the best game though and deserves to win.
willsucks402		#12991	[-]
Posts: 12217 (09/02/09 1:42 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	So Michelle says she WOULD throw HOH? Good lord I hope she is lieing to jeff, not that it will have to come to that
TheWhiteRabbit		#12992	[-]
Posts: 152 (09/02/09 1:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It's sad. Michele so desperately wants Jeff to like her. Why?
ThrillJill		#12993	[-]
Posts: 2800 (09/02/09 1:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	OOH! She now says if she doesn't take care of herself today she will be OUT OF COMMISSION tomorrow. Michele told her that's one more reason she should take the deal. Interesting What is the deal again? Natalie keeps Jeff, votes out Jordan and Michelle and Jeff throw HOH to her? Is Natalie even dumb enough to do it? :crosses fingers
diewinelle		#12994	[-]
Posts: 13955 (09/02/09 1:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	willsucks402 wrote: So Michelle says she WOULD throw HOH? Good lord I hope she is lieing to jeff, not that it will have to come to that that's what she's telling natalie. no way i believe she'd do it though. she knows once jordan's ass waddles out the door, she and jeff can do whatever they want. and natalie knows that too, which is why she won't agree to it.
James Barber		#12995	[-]
Posts: 18973 (09/02/09 1:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	daveyboy91 wrote: Michelle is a weirdo. And a bit socially awkward. She is still playing the best game though and deserves to win. I'd like Michele to win because I think she's a nice person and she's overcome a lot, but I'm still not quite sure what her game is. This week it's been JJ all the way, with no real protection for herself. If she does get to F2 and loses because people don't know what she was doing, I won't be surprised.
Carboys Desire		#12996	[-]
Posts: 10148 (09/02/09 1:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I just don't get why Michele doesn't say right now "But we we're not going to throw it, right?"
BeforetheNightOwl		#12997	[-]
Posts: 11 (09/02/09 1:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TheWhiteRabbit wrote: James Barber wrote: TheWhiteRabbit wrote: Actually she has a very clear idea of what Jeff thinks about her now, or at least she should. Kevin clued her into a lot the past few days. She knows that Jeff calls her "Cuckoo Magoo", that he made a deal with Kevin and Nat to send her home and that he was planning on back-stabbing her if she used the veto on him. This, together with the way Jeff has been acting towards her the past few weeks, should paint a fairly vivid picture for her of Jeff's opinion of her. I think she can tell herself Kevin must be lying. This may even be one of the reasons she wants Kevin out, because he put her up, but also because he got rid of Jeff and told her Jeff had said those things about her. It's like killing the messenger. I think in order to keep the idea going that JJ are her friends, she can't accept that Jeff hates her. It's like the way Jeff can't accept Natalie has lied to him. You may be right. When Kevin was telling her how Jeff REALLY feels about her last night, the point she kept coming back to was that she didn't trust a lot of what people told her because everyone's always "playing the game". This was definitely her way of shielding herself from the truth about Jeff's opinion of her. She's just NOT having it. She's not having it. She has gone back to Jeff several times and said "Kevin said you said this and this and this about me, but I know you would never say those things." She has blinders on when it comes to Jeff. I love the girl... but COME ON!
twinklefaery		#12998	[-]
Posts: 4661 (09/02/09 1:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	compscisailor wrote: anders332 wrote: twinklefaery wrote: Also, last night Kevin was REALLY working Michele with the whole "Jeff is the one who came up with the 'Michele should use her veto to take me off the block and then I'll vote her out' " scenario. I was hoping and praying Michele would approach Jeff and confront him about it so that we could MAYBE get a blowup between Jeff/Kevin/Natalie. Hey, I'm just looking for ANY chance we might have on outing that bitch and her schemes and lies. I'm starting to really think it's never going to happen. We're never going to get our big reveal and see the houses turn on that hooker. It's all I want now - is that too much to ask? lol The only way it comes out is if Nat and Kevo are on the block after veto is played and Jordo or Michele are holding it. Kevo has filed everything away nicely as a way to out her at the right moment - I have faith he WILL fight to stay in the game. Michelle won't care, because she needs her weakest competitor left, and Jordan will be too stupid to believe her. See, I think what you say is true, compscisailor - I think we're dangerously past the point of no return where there is no repercussion to be had for Natalie's behavior in the house. We're at the point where there really aren't people left to gift a shit or for it to make any sort of real negative impact on Natalie's game. Fuck I hate that.
TheWhiteRabbit		#12999	[-]
Posts: 153 (09/02/09 1:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	diewinelle wrote: willsucks402 wrote: So Michelle says she WOULD throw HOH? Good lord I hope she is lieing to jeff, not that it will have to come to that that's what she's telling natalie. no way i believe she'd do it though. she knows once jordan's ass waddles out the door, she and jeff can do whatever they want. and natalie knows that too, which is why she won't agree to it. The deal is definitely not going to happen. But I don't think for a second that Michele would throw HOH for Nat. What would be their motivation for doing so at that point? They lose her jury vote? Michele didn't have it anyway.
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot		#13000	[-]
Posts: 564 (09/02/09 1:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jeff: "If I can talk to Natalie for 10 minutes straight I can get her" i.e. convince Natalie to keep him. More delusional than Ronnie.

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