Mr Slime vs the world.
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S19 Ep 2 - Story Arcs |
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Mr Slime vs the world. |
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MissRabbit |
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not sure where to put this, but something Marisa said in her post-survivor interview suggests Ben is around for a while.
And that guy tried to bully me, he tried to bully all of the women on our tribe, and you'll see it as the episodes progress.If he's gone right away, there's no way for us to see as the episodes progress. Also i think there is going to be a racial theme going on this season. First, in a post-survivor interview, Liz mentions that there was a lot of racist things being said. Also a confessional from her in last night's interview set up the race theme. THen there was the comment by Jaison about how most people don't think African-Americans can swim followed on the heels by a snippet from Mike about "afro-americans" confirming that stereotype. Now, with Marisa's interview, she outs Ben as a racist and chauvenist. He was completely demeaning to women, he used derogatory terms about different groups of people, and discrimination no matter where I am is not okay with meNot sure how it'll be on the Galu tribe, but looks like the Foa² is rife with racism. Bound to be a big theme that will effect the game & perhaps the length of stay certain survivors have in the game. |
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That's an interesting observation, Miss Rabbit.
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crocophile |
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Good catch Miss Rabbit.
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birdlady |
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The "racism" really felt like an editing decision to me. (I would add Sweet Russell's pick of Yasmin as his "african queen" and
Betsy's description of Jaison as "black Yale type" to yall's list of examples.) Everybody has stereotypes, everybody was raised with regional
vocabulary. The events we saw last night felt to me like the usual amount of fumbling around as strangers try to work together. Vs, say, Fiji, which felt like
genuine race-based nastiness.
But yeah, however much they manufactured it themselves, the editors were definitely hitting us over the head with it. So it must be going to come up again.. |
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erickman |
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yea mb was the one who pounded in our heads about black men not swiming from gervise in season 1.
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srvivrfreakevelrich |
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Must I even have to mention all the negative comments about John from episode 1?
- John sucks at swimming (at least when put up against Jaison) - John was shown sitting the entire rest of the challenge - Dave was very upset with John for his performance, wants him out - Erik doesnt think John deserves to be there - Shambo says John is all talk, no business, too technical and running his mouth - Shown talking alot - Only one confessional - NOT ONE GOOD COMMENT ABOUT HIM IN EPISODE 1 John has to be gone soon |
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JLK Name |
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-Russell H versus Betsy
-The eye-candies will have a confessional - Natalie, Kelly, Brett |
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crocophile |
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JLK Name wrote: Via Jeff's Blog: Betsy is a wise woman. She's on to Evil Russell . She's not only onto him, but she's playing it cool and working quietly on others unlike Marisa. Jeff also wrote TTE that Russell will be a big story as long as he's there... which apparently is not the whole time. At some point Betsy will axe him. Russell said himself he'd have to watch himself with her. Russell H is attempting to bond with what he perceives as weaker players. Even Ashley and Marisa two of his dumb and dumber girls were right onto him. I doubt he's nearly as 'crafty' as we are being shown. My guess is they keep him a while mostly beacuse they need him for challenges. Ben is a jackass but apparently lasts a while, probabaly also for Tribal strength, so some more of the weaker members will likely be dumped like Mike, Ashley or Liz. Like Mr Slimey' he will wear out his welcome. In addition to Marisa, Betsy and Mick voted for Ashley. Both making the better move and in opposition to Mr Slimey. Mick is a leader even though he has Ben. He's glad to have Ben to take the fall. My guess is he will work with Betsy. Ashley looked bad, but Jeff liked her in his assessement. She could get a redemption. Not much to say about Natalie although she was decent in the IC. To add to what srvrfreak posted about John, Probst called him a 'poser' in his cast assesesment. He's soon toast, maybe this week since it appears F-F wins the RC/IC and kidnaps (perhaps making safe via a 'bypass' Jeff hinted at) Jasmin. Her kidnapping allows for a lot of drama at F-F. We didn't see much of Galu but: Good Russell is not much of a leader, which will probably hurt him down the road. Shambo is great, I also got a good vibe on Dave and Erik. Not sure on Kelly, Monica, Laura and Brett.
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John is toast. He had such a negative first episode and Foa Foa appears to win immunity for episode 2, therefore John=gone.
I agree with Croc's assessment vis-a-vis RussEvil. I think Ben will be a lateish pre-merge boot; kept only for strength and jettisoned as soon as a merge appears imminent. Liz will be the next casualty of Foa Foa and the EvilBen/Russevil coalition of Jerks. Betsy will last a while and may make it reasonably far into the game. I really like her but I need to see more in order to determine whether or not she has enough game. Mick is smart and fit; he could go all the way or be gone pre-merge. The Jury is still out on him. He needs to form a strong alliance that will counter the Evil Hillbilly coalition or he will be done like dinner. Mick, Jaison, Betsy, Natalie along with Mike, need to get their act together now if they want to stay safe. Love me some Shambo and based on what little we have seen thus far, I think she will make it post merge. |
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Jedijake |
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Shambo rocks, but won't win. If she does, Jeff would be jumping off the wall, although after a JT win, he may be immune to happy endings. Shambo is this
season's Rupert.
As far as Betsy, she's the one I most want to win, but fear for the most. I don't think she will win. She voiced her opposition to Russell way too early. Russell WILL have a TON of power this season and someone in the background who does not trust him will be outed. That's the only way Russell will retain his evil presence. What Betsy needs to do for the time being is play along with Russell and keep his mouth shut. Unfortunately, she already broke that rule and will sadly take the fall for it very soon. If there is always someone who questions his motives, then Russell will be undermined the entire season. We are supposed to think he is unbeatable and that everyone there believes him. I would not be surprised if Ashley ends up winning. She is the one most controlled by Russell right now and, in a Rob-Amber kinda way (minus the romance-ewww), we may see the "lesser of the two evils" win-that being Ashley. Russell thinks he can take the "dumb blonds" to the end and beat them because no one will respect them. That may be the theme of the season. |
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mahdoo |
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In Tocantins we had exiled members of opposing tribes with the opportunity to share clues to an idol in an identical spot in their home camps. This season,
it has been tweaked even further to facilitate cross-tribe cooperation. It would be mighty tempting to make an alliance with someone living at the
camp where your hii is still hidden. They could look for it all week. I believe there are two different sets of clues and two different locations this
time....and the idol in one tribe's camp is only usable by a member of the other tribe. I guess it would also be a very dangerous proposal to make should
the person approached not like the idea of cooperation across tribes.
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I think it has the making of a good season. Clearly the main story arc is "The Russell Show" (at least while he lasts).
GALU: I'm not sure what to think about this tribe yet. We'll see more about them next week. My first thought is that neither tribe will dominate as Koror did in Palau. BRETT: He's on the show to market his sportswear not to play survivor. He wants to uplift spirits on his tribe. With Brett and Russell both cheerleading, that might go a long way to help the try. DAVE: I think Dave has real game potential. I'll be keeping my eye on him. ERIK: Coach's eye candy for the season. He looks forward to being a snake. (clappy hands). Love people who go into this game knowing what it's all about. JOHN: No one likes him. He's not long for the game. Why in the hell did he swim in his #%+!+? Strip down to your underwear and go for it. In any event, he doesn't seem to play a good "social game", let alone a "strategic game". KELLY: Bo Derek on the island. First impression, I see her like Sarah-S4. LAURA: Well, it's hard for me to root for anyone who considers being compared to Sarah Palin as something positive, the politics out in the real world doesn't matter. What matters is the politics in the game. MONICA: We saw very little of her, but she does have a monologue on Survivor: Insider about how glad she is to be here. She' said she's willing to "flirt with men and women". Probst says she's devious, so I hope we see it. RUSSELL S. As opposed to a dictatorial leader, he is a hopeful leader. According to Kelly on the Insider, he is a popular leader. However, I agree with Probst. I don't think he is diabolical enough to win. But he's a good person to have on your tribe for camp morale. I really enjoyed his Survivor: Insider monologue about "digging deep". SHANNON (a.k.a. Shambo): Everybody loves Shambo. She probably should have gone into the water with the rest of her tribe. You don't want the rest of the tribe to bond without you. She takes an early lead for America's favorite. A good monologue for her on the Insider. I hope this won't be a season like S11 where Danni's whole game was shown on the Insider. YASMIN: Did better in reward challenge than I expected. Shouldn't she have removed her extensions before this game? Lots of personality, should be interesting to watch. ------------------- FOA FOA: A tribe headed for dysfunctionville, with lots of help from Russell. While I love Russell's attitude that people are to be used and discarded like Kleenex in this game, his decision to weaken his tribe for physical challenges is questionable. We'll see how it works out. ASHLEY: She's the youngest, but I like how she stood up for herself at tribal council. She may not be there for long as she's been labeled as "weak" even though it may be true. Pointing out she brings cardio strengths is a good move. Even if you are MamaKim, you need to prove what you bring to your tribe and/or your alliance. Here's what she said on the Insider about her strategy: "I've seen how people win this game. I'm going to use a lot of those different techniques and kind of make it my own game. Just make sure I don't backstab a lot, because I feel like at the end with the jury, if you backstab everyone, they're not gonna give you a million dollars." BEN: Ben is an a-hole, but unlike Russell, he doesn't know he's one. He says in the preview that he's never been turned down by a woman. I'll leave it to you ladies to determine if that is true. At first glance I thought he was handsome, but as soon as he opened his mouth a butthole fell out. He will stay awhile for "strength" reasons. BETSY: If anyone can outwit Russell, I think it is her. However, will she take the opportunity when she has the chance? She is one of my early favorites. In her favor, she doesn't trust people now, which may make life hard, but certainly helps in this game. JAISON: Hey, the black guy can swim. Probst is rooting for him. Like most strong men, he will probably be targeted for booting just before the merge. LIZ: I'm rooting for Liz, but without Russell doing a deal with her, she's likely already on the out. It's a good thing no one sees her intelligence as a threat as they did in S10 when they had puzzle phobia. MICK: He's smart to try and be a mellow leader, but in the preview he stated that he wouldn't be surprised to be blindsided. And I think he probably will be. He was not in on the Marissa vote. Let's see how quick he realizes he's outside the loop. MIKE: I don't think he is long in this game at all. He was right to try and focus weakness on the women, but does he really want to play THAT card? It's only a matter of time before that catches up with him. He doesn't exactly have the charm of Bob or Pascal either. NATALIE: According to the preview, she plans an "upfront" game. God bless her. Cannon fodder. According to a monologue on the Insider, Ben has coined her as "Survivor Barbie". She acknowledges that having this as a first impression is not in her favor and that she has an uphill struggle. RUSSELL H.: I love puppetmasters. Rich-S1 and Brian-S5 were great villains. However, you need to play smart. You still need to bring someone to the final 2 who is less likeable than you. I get weakening the tribe to control it, but I don't get doing that at the beginning. What's the point of sabotaging your tribe so that you merge 9 Galu to 1 FoaFoa? Racheting up the paranoia is fine. Causing your tribe to perform more weakly in challenges doesn't make a lot of sense. Is Russell going to far? Survivor is not a game played in the same moral universe. I think it is fine to swear of the lives of your loved ones with your fingers cross. Making up a fake dead dog story is fine. Invent a whole persona if you can get away with it. I do think invoking Katrina was vile and beyond anything I would do. That's just me. The audience thought Rupert was wonderful for stealing shoes in S7. So I don't have a problem with Russell burning socks and emptying water of the others. Jeff-S2 apparently cut loose the fish the others had caught as payback in case he didn't make it back to Barramundi. I just don't agree that weakinging your tribe physically pre-merge makes sense, but we'll see how it goes. It is possible to play too hard too early as Joel found out in Micronesia. -------------------- MARISA: As Probst stated, she lacked the "killer" instinct. She probably shouldn't have taken her paranoia about Russell to him, but gone to the other women instead. Paranoia is a huge part of this game, not talked about much, but it wears on the players just like the elements. I cannot believe that she believed Russell when he said that honesty was the most important thing in the game. If anything, it's more like the ability to lie well. However, based on her service in El Salvador, I think she might be a really great person in the game of life. Life and Survivor are not the same thing. As Rob C. pointed out, the traits that make you a really good person in life can make you a really lousy Survivor player. The converse is true as well. From her Day After words: "Having my torch snuffed out and walking out of Tribal Council was very difficult for me because I thought I had been treated really poorly by the two main bad guys in our tribe. They were cruel to me, they played practical jokes on me, they were demeaning, they tried to make me look terrible. Cruelty is just not acceptable anywhere. The best I could do was hold my head up high because the more I struggled, the worse it looked. I just had to take it and move on. The most difficult part was not being voted off, but being treated so poorly."
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mahdoo wrote:ooooo I never thought about that. That is what most likely will have to happen in order to pull it off. After the 1st abductee and the cat is out of the bag as far as the HII goes, no one is going to let the abductee out of their sight. I know they won't be able to use it themselves, but they could use it as a bargaining chip for wooing someone over from the opposing side once they merge. It could even be as petty as "if i can't have it, neither can you." If they followed the abductee around, there's no chance they could find it without people knowing they did. Even worse than not finding the HII, is having it and having everyone know you have it. You'll be an instant target. But if you convince someone on the opposing tribe to work in cahoots with you, doing the searching for you at their leisure....... You could even return the favour should they in turn be abducted to your camp. Most excellent thoughts mahdoo :) |
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Coachocd wrote:I hope it isn't a repeat of S5 with Ben playing Clay to Russell H's Brian. I could definately see Russell being the lesser evil of the two. |
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crocophile |
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The Promos are making it looks like Besty confronts Slimey, and he responds "She's gonna pay for that statement, I promise". But they show a
brief look at the woman's eyes with two treaks over one. Those are not Besty's or Natalie's. I can't vouch for them not being Liz', but
they very well could be Ashley's. Ashley had streaks over her eyes in the RC and the face could be hers. Is Russell going to axe another person he
supposedly has an alliance with?
We can sort of see Ashley's streaks here.
Mick also notes "I don't know if he's got a lot of friends left." But that could be his evil Stooge Ben. Even so Slimey's base would be erroding. Like Sugar and Coach Slimey is playing his own game, so getting rid of alliance partners, while not great Survivor strategy might be good personal stratgey...and that strategy is notariety. |
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Jedijake |
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Betsy opened up to Natalie about not trusting Russell. Not sure if Natalie is in Russell's pocket 100% or not since they hardly showed Natalie.
Perhaps we are being made to think that Betsy will be Russell's next target. However, for Russell's evil to truly shine, Betsy would be backstabbed later on at the merge when she begins to actually show loyalty. Last season was the Coach show. It took a long while for JT to become part of the Coach show. Hard for me to tell whether someone in the "Russell Show" will win-seems likely. Seems that a person intertwined in the story of the main character will end up winning. Who is in the Russell show now? We have Ashley and Betsy who are in his show on opposite ends and were quite visible in episode 1. Ben is partially in his show, but not necessarily in his alliance. Natalie is in his show, but was rather invisible in episode 1. Mike, Liz, and Mick are not in his show. I'd say they are goners. Jaison is in his show too, but was mainly in the background. He had no comments about voting. Plus, if Russell wants to have a dumbass girl alliance, then Jaison poses a threat to that. Russell will probably backstab Jaison right after or right before the merge. On the other tribe, the only two people with personal reflections were Shambo and Russell S. Russell S was the chosen leader so that made sense. Shambo will be America's Favorite so that makes sense. Last season, both Stephen and JT had first episode game-perceptions. I almost wonder if Shambo, being shown on the beach while her tribe was in the water, will struggle to fit in with her tribe and swoop to the other tribe at merge, giving her a chance to win. I can definitely see her and Betsy forming a bond. |
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erickman |
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i am getting a season 5 brian edit vibe in russ-h, after watching that bad to the bone ad yesterday. he may not win but i think he will be a factor into late
jury.
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The leader Russell has already foreshadowed his demise in his own words. When people are looking to vote someone out, they often go for the leader.
I can see a miraculous Foa Foa domination, whereby G gets picked off one-by-one. With John getting axed (possibly next) things aren't necessarily going to bode well for the G tribe. And with all that racism all up in there, Russell will not make it to the end, IMO. |
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GoHomeAndEatYoRice |
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If Foa Foa goes to TC, then I see Ashley going.
eta~ Unless it's a Pearl Island Take things type thing, where the winner tribe sends people to the losing tribe, Foa Foa wins the challenge.
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That's an interesting thought. As posed above ^ Foo Foo dominates? Might explain was nearly the entire GooLoo tribe was nearly INV in Ep.1. = They
don't really matter. And we've seen all the important players displayed already and they are all in Foo Foo...
RussEvil is v. strong, and they may keep him for that reason... Maybe the other tribe just starts a losing streak...But as Marisa mentioned in her exit chats we're going to see RussEvil go after the women who oppose him, which will be Liz and Betsy, I'm sorry to say. I hate it when I have to predict bad things happening to good people...And Betsy does have that Gretchen vibe about her --- and look what happened to Gretchen... |
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