S19 Episode 3 - Play By Play/Post Show Analysis in MESS Hall Tribal Council Forum

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S19 Episode 3 - Play By Play/Post Show Analysis

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trinity17888		#61	[-]
Posts: 663 (10/01/09 09:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wonderful World Remove this ad The reward not taken seemed to be things like survival tools, cooking pots and utensils. When the comfort items get wet and dirty, those cooking utensils will start looking really good.
ModestyBlaiser		#62	[-]
Posts: 192 (10/01/09 09:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Okay here's where I got wind of it - page 5 of the edgic thread: This is a quote from Skydreamer: *cindidindi76 wrote:* *SkyDreamer wrote:* Ben was definitely OTTN. He seems to be even more evil than Russell. Half of the people in Galu were ignored. Their edit reminds me of the Timbira members too much. Judging from the first episode Foa Foa will be the center of attension (expected because of Russell). Good winner edits so far - Ashley, Mick. Betsy and good Russell are not out yet, but they are a bit too positive for me (Jeff said the winner won't be a fan favorite). I haven't seen that one. Where did he say that? Also, am I the only one that wants to give Marisa a P just because she knows the difference between "wary" and "weary"? Stephen, we can't say j.eans here because of spammers. Which is ridiculous, because they obviously don't notice or care, lol. We also can't say j.acket. I can't find the exact interview, but he said something along the lines of "I think the winner won't be the nice guy, fan favorite like JT and Bob, the people here came to play from day one and they kept their words"
Kirblar		#63	[-]
Posts: 8332 (10/01/09 09:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jeff made that comment on day 2 or 3 though, while TV Guide was filming their promo stuff. He thought the cast was not going to let a "nice guy" walk away with the win. (And his assessment seems to be correct so far.)
ModestyBlaiser		#64	[-]
Posts: 193 (10/01/09 09:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	That is awesome news Kirblar. Thank you!
TheWizard		#65	[-]
Posts: 87 (10/01/09 09:55 PM) Avocado Assassin Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Orangeena wrote: Tonight, strangely, Russevil had to blend. He had to bend his game and vote with the rest of the tribe, the whole thing being spearheaded by the anti-Russevils Good Doctor Mick and Good Guy Jaison. The Emergence of the ROOTABLES!!! AT LAST!!! YAY!!! Rootables is Probst's word, not mine. I give him full credit in his last blog post at EW. Ashley, and certainly Mick and Jaison ALLLLL emerged tonight as the major positive characters they really needed to be before Russevil singlehandedly destroyed the whole franchise. Oh, and of course, Shambo RULES!!! LOVE HER!!! This episode THANK GOD gave us four very strong characters to counter RH. Mick, Ashley, Jaison and Shambo, and watch they all end up on the same tribe together, which should happen at the switch. Which could be the next episode. Or certainly the one after that... Even Natalie came out of her shell somewhat and was at least present and accounted for. Only Liz didn't get a ton of face time, which screams to me that she goes next... Russevil had to totally change his game because of Mick and Jaison!!! YAY!!! A triumphant moment for the Rootables! And is it just me or is FooFoo getting a Red Team edit(I've already forgotten their tribe name) from Tocantins? The Underdogs who COULD. Yup, it's them for the end game , I betcha. Plus Shambo... Galu despite all their winning is NOT getting a positive edit! Which is weird although we saw more of them tonight than ever. Erik jumps out and the three cute women, Laura, Kelly and Monica are seen as a triplet...Girl Power forthcoming? A MUCH better episode than ANY so far this season. Ashley, Mick, Jaison and Shambo make me want to keep watching. I almost stopped. And I loved the Russevil/Shambo dialectic they set up. "I'm running this tribe!" RH, cut to Shambo....YAY!!! And Mick had a million dollar quote, didn't he? "I want to win a million dollars as much as anyone. That's why I came here." Totally agree that they're setting up an endgame of Evil Russell, Mick, Jaison, Ashley and Shambo. Though I actually love watching Russell! He's playing the game like it should be played. And I thought his willingness to bend spoke as well for him as it did for Jaison's making him bend.
chadferris		#66	[-]
Posts: 186 (10/01/09 10:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Is there a place that has uploaded episode 3 already? My DVR didn't record it!
Coachocd		#67	[-]
Posts: 7899 (10/01/09 10:12 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Two immediate thoughts. Russell has shown that he's not too arrogant to adapt. and go with the group. I don't think he's going anywhere till at least the merge. Liz kicked butt in that challenge. She's not going to be seen as "weak". Thanks for the great PBP, Trixiego!
rower		#68	[-]
Posts: 2620 (10/01/09 10:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Russel was born at night but he wasn't born last night. His actions tonight, to me, were more impressive than anything else he has done on the show so far. First off, Russ has been playing two sides brilliantly. Ben/Liz and Jaison/Mick. He hasn't targeted any of the four instead focusing on what he would perceive to be loose cannons as far as his game went. Marissa, Betsy (and this week Ashley) were all threats to Russ's game and he knew/knows it. If anyone instigated a plan to take out Russ it would have been Marissa or Betsy. However Russ is also smart enough to see which way the wind is blowing. And tonight he saw early that Jaison was not to be swayed. He knew that the more he argued, the greater the potential was that he would become a target. Instead he backs off. I do believe that if Ben had shut up at TC, Russ and Mick may have held with the plan to vote out Ashley (with Liz and Russ). However two things happened. Jaison drew a line in the sand and Ben was a jerk. I noticed there were glances at TC between Russ and Mick. Jaison was very articulate in his attack on Ben and Ben's comments sealed his fate with everyone. Russ must have realized that Ben was no longer an "asset" and "threw him away" like so much trash. Up until the 2nd vote for Ben was read (Ben was clearly surprised) I believe he thought that no matter what he said, he was going to be staying. Russ meanwhile is still strong with Liz, Mick and Jaison. Jaisons show of "leadership" though has made him a threat to Russ. It's going to be interesting to see how Russ plays it now. But I have to say his play tonight was very, very smart.
rower		#69	[-]
Posts: 2621 (10/01/09 11:00 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Trix - You didn't "miss" the final show of the vote. For some reason they didn't show it. Darn. As usual, a wonderful job. ;-)
LennonFan		#70	[-]
Posts: 942 (10/01/09 11:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wonderful World Remove this ad I was absolutely cheering tonight for Jaison! The guy is very smart! Is he smart enough to win this game? I don't think so. His ethics are too strongly instilled in him, but he got rid of Ben and that's good for me. By smart enough to win the game, I do not mean intelligence. Jaison will not win because he chooses ethics. Yet, I doubt Russell, ER, will win either. He may be playing but he's playing stupid. As far as he's concerned, They can lose every time and he will control it. But has he thought about going into the merge numbers down? Dumb ass. He needs a switch more than anyone there does. For the first time, ER had to change what he wanted to have happen. I can't wait to see what happens next.
rower		#71	[-]
Posts: 2622 (10/01/09 11:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JT4ever wrote: Weirdest for me in the episode? This week, HII clue #1 read out: "If you think you need protection and you like immunity, look here at Foa Foa and bark up the right tree." Last week, HII clue #1 read out: "Search hard here at Foa Foa. Your treasure's not easy to see. If you don't find it in a little while, you must be barking up the wrong tree." Weird and pointless, no? Actually the second clue also pointed out that it was within sight of the fire. Which I believe narrowed down the field considerably which is supported by the fact that Shambo spent a lot of time at the very tree where the HII HAD been hidden.
rower		#72	[-]
Posts: 2623 (10/01/09 11:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think that the JP comments about the winner and not being a fan favorite (paraphrased) came from JPs blog. It was either the first of second one and darned if I can remember which one. The thread of JPs blogs used to be easy to find here but I can't locate it quickly. He did have quite the discussion about how some years you get the fan favorites like JT who win and other years not so much. I don't recall whether he actually said that this year a not so favorite Survivor would win or if he simply left the door open. The impression was that it more than likely would be someone who wasn't obviously pegged as a winner. I think this was the same blog where Jeff said that he didn't get to know Ben well enough and that Ben was "probably" a nice person. He also termed Ben a "likable" bully but he wouldn't want Ben knocking on his door.
MissRabbit		#73	[-]
Posts: 897 (10/01/09 11:18 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	i'm curious to know if she found the empty nail in the tree. they didn't show it, of course, but with the length of time she spent there, i can't see how she wouldn't have seen it.
rower		#74	[-]
Posts: 2625 (10/01/09 11:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I was wrong about the JP blog. His first blog was where he talked about Ben being a bully and not getting a chance to get to know him. I'm still looking around for where he talks about the winners.... some being "good" and fan favorites and others not so much.
MissRabbit		#75	[-]
Posts: 898 (10/01/09 11:32 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	rower wrote: I think that the JP comments about the winner and not being a fan favorite (paraphrased) came from JPs blog. It was either the first of second one and darned if I can remember which one. The thread of JPs blogs used to be easy to find here but I can't locate it quickly. He did have quite the discussion about how some years you get the fan favorites like JT who win and other years not so much. I don't recall whether he actually said that this year a not so favorite Survivor would win or if he simply left the door open. The impression was that it more than likely would be someone who wasn't obviously pegged as a winner. I think this was the same blog where Jeff said that he didn't get to know Ben well enough and that Ben was "probably" a nice person. He also termed Ben a "likable" bully but he wouldn't want Ben knocking on his door. In the TV guide preview. about 4 minutes in. Jeffy says: I think this season is going to have a lot of big moves. I don't think Bob from Gabon or JT from Tocantins would survive playing the same way. I don't think, the all-american nice person who never really has to betray is going to win. I think you're going to see a lot of betrayals. Is that what you were thinking of?
Orangeena	Thx for the props, Mr. Wizard!	#76	[-]
Posts: 1576 (10/02/09 12:27 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thankx for the props, Mr. Wizard! WOW! We all must take a moment to pause and be glad to welcome The Wizard who is Stephen from Tocantins himself to the MESS Hall. bows down To a great Survivor player and a true original! And I'm glad we're so N Sync about things. Yeah, Russevil wised up tonight in a surprising move. He's playing the game all right. And he knew he needed Dr. Mick and Mr. Fantabulous- Jaison to help him along. As I'm sure The Wizard would be the first tell us, Survivor is a game about ALLIANCES! But we haven't seen a Stephen/JT like alliance...yet... And is that Evil Russell's face flashing in Samoan make-up at the end of the opening credits?!? I hope not. But it sure looks like him. Ugh. But the Wizard likes how he's playing the game...Hmmm... Again Stephen, Welcome! This isn't a number's game like Edgic. And everyone is VERY polite and like Edgic VERY smart. Like you! And Trixie's Typing, the PBP is an astounding feat of endurance, in and of itself, week after week, season after season. What would be do without her?
crocophile		#77	[-]
Posts: 10881 (10/02/09 02:42 AM) MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Totally agree that they're setting up an endgame of Evil Russell, Mick, Jaison, Ashley and Shambo. Though I actually love watching Russell! He's playing the game like it should be played. And I thought his willingness to bend spoke as well for him as it did for Jaison's making him bend. If that's the end game then F-F must kick it into gear ala Chuay Ghan, or there is a switch. Russhole is playing a good game. He's just not playing the game CBS has been trying to portray. He burns Jaison's sock, and yet some way Jaison still has socks (also against the rules to destroy someone else's property). Ben and Liz were just as behind Marisa's and Betsy's boot. And he does not find the Hidden Idol until after Yasmin showed up with her clue. Last Edited By: crocophile 10/02/09 02:51 AM. Edited 1 times.
crocophile		#78	[-]
Posts: 10883 (10/02/09 03:05 AM) MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts	*"And Trixie's Typing, the PBP is an astounding feat of endurance, in and of itself, week after week, season after season. What would be do without her?"* Agreed Orange, we can't say this enough. Great to see Stephen stop by too.
cymbals		#79	[-]
Posts: 308 (10/02/09 04:23 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	crocophile wrote: *"And Trixie's Typing, the PBP is an astounding feat of endurance, in and of itself, week after week, season after season. What would be do without her?"* Agreed Orange, we can't say this enough. Great to see Stephen stop by too. If not for Trixie I would miss much. Thank you Trix and everyone here.
Sam Buru		#80	[-]
Posts: 1541 (10/02/09 05:49 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wonderful World Remove this ad OK, this is how that "Flint" thing is supposed to work, in fact buy one for your self from Wal-Mart for three bucks and read the directions. The body is made of magnesium. When magnesium oxidizes (burns) it gives off an extreme amount of heat for a short duration. So you take a knife and scrape the body of the "flint stick" to make a small pile of magnesium over the material you want to ignite. You turn the body of flint over and there is an ignition strip. You are suppose to hold the flint and strike it with the BACK edge of the knife to knock the sparks into the pile of magnesium. The magnesium will ignite and you have fire. If you strike it with the sharp edge of the knife it digs in and you lose all ignition strip really quick. Ben was the one who screwed the flint up. I timed myself once and can do the entire process in 15 seconds. I easily made four separate fires within a minute. It is not hard to do at all if you have dry material to ignite. So I ask you, if you know you are going to be on the show … why the f- do you not go down to Wal-Mart, invest three bucks, and practice making fire? You can do this on the kitchen table, tearing up paper and putting it on a dinner plate just for practice. Sheesh this drives me nuts! Next week, lightning, rain. That comfortable bedding material will be wet, highlighting Russell's crappy choice. Without dry material in camp you can't start a fire, good Russell is in trouble. From the forshadowing. the FF's will not be able to make fire (without Ben) and Russell will probably be able to use this against Jaison. After all Jaison was the one who wanted Ben to go over Ashley.

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S19 Episode 3 - Play By Play/Post Show Analysis