Pretty much everyone on this show I have a love/hate relationship with. The only character I find perfect and in whom my love never waivers is Joan. She is a god.dess who can do no wrong in my eyes.
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^^^ I agree. I think January Jones is doing a fantastic job with the part of Betty Draper. I also really enjoy shows where the characters have realistic
layerings of their personality where some things you can find sympathy with and you can like certain aspects of their personality, but then hate other aspects
and at times be so frustrated with the character that you root for their comeuppance.
Pretty much everyone on this show I have a love/hate relationship with. The only character I find perfect and in whom my love never waivers is Joan. She is a god.dess who can do no wrong in my eyes. |
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ogmious |
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betty is a mirror of don, insofar that they are both bored, angry individuals who use the superficial aspects
of their lives to repress real emotion. on the surface, both betty and don have it all, but no amount of polish will negate the fact that these two are deeply
unhappy with themselves and their lot in life. the expectations and pressure that accompany the trappings of beauty, power and wealth seem to almost exasperate
their hopeless situation, reminding them both constantly that they should both be far more content than they currently are.
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Mypoody2 |
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I think January Jones is a horrible actress... we watchin the same show?
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tarzan groupie |
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I thoroughly enjoyed the scene right before the civic board meeting, where we see Betty in all her many get-ups. First, she rises and stretches from bed in a
lovely nightgown. Then it flips to her "at-home" wear, then cuts to her sailor motif "professional" wear. It signaled the many different
"hats" a woman wears: Sex godd.ess, mother, decision-maker.
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chidelta |
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While I agree that Betty is a spoiled brat, she is also learning to be much more savvy in the politics of her marriage. I saw last night's episode as
showing her character's slow build-up of power, just like last week was about Don's decline in power (even in the face of landing a big new account).
Her problem is that despite all the comforts of a wealthy lifestyle, she still doesn't have complete access to her husband. Last week, when he explained
to her that without a contract Sterling Cooper couldn't have him and therefore he had the power, she responded, "Gee, how could anyone think this has
nothing to do with me?", or something like that. In other words, she and Sterling Cooper both suffered from the same thing . . . Don held all the cards,
giving him license to cheat, lie, and generally talk down to her. Once he signed the contract and became a slave to his work and his client, the power
shifted, and she decided to pounce.
The most telling quote in last night's episode, for me, was the line about "In politics, if you have no power, your best move is to delay." Betty is coming from a position of little power in both her marriage and in her life as a housewife. Now, she is slowly building up that power, with the Junior League, with her friend at the governor's office, with her daughter, and with her va-va-voom Italian updo. She was a much more modern woman last night, already multi-tasking and delegating authority long before multi-tasking was an art form. She delayed her affair and boosted her stock by going to Rome with Don, where she spoke the language (not him) and was the center of attention with all of the men. To use a cliche, she used sex as a weapon to keep Don in her clutches. She also charmed Conrad Hilton and kept him waiting. Then, when they returned home, she cradled the baby, set her children straight, and made it clear to Don that she was not happy with her current status (i.e., she wants more power). Methinks she is ready to get it from Henry. |
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Mypoody2 wrote: If you think Jan is a poor actress, please try to see the episode of Law & Order in which she starred as a psychotic murderess. Her character on that show is unrecognizable from her character on MM. Very few actors are able to pull off something like that. Meryl Streep is one who comes to mind and there are not many others. I think if you see her performance on that epi of L&O, you may rethink your opinion of her abilities. I think she is hugely talented as an actor - regardless of what she looks like. But, if you can't get to see that epi of L&O, please tell us why you think she is a poor actor. Can you give us any specifics as to what makes her a poor actor? I know that most people here would disagree, but if there is any one aspect of this show that cause her acting abilities to appear to be less than stellar, I would have to point to the child actors on the show and her having to work with them. I think most actors would have difficulty dealing with these children and trying to portray their mother. I have to admit that Jan seems to have a very difficult time trying to convey her role as mother to Sally. I would guess that if there ever was such a thing as a "motherless child", the actir playing Sally might very well be the one.
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ogmious |
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nice observations chidelta, i agree.
she cant be daddy's little girl anymore - betty's growing up. |
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salome2000 |
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I see how Betty is getting more savvy, but if it is building up to her having an affair with the government guy, well, big whoop-de-do. That's too easy.
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cookie |
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I don't think the show will ever be that easy.
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EmmaPeel |
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chidelta hi!!! and great comments.
I'd add to the end.....and when she opened that jewelry box at the end and it was a charm instead of a necklace or bracelet, it added to her feeling of being mismatched with Don. |
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StarrEise |
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I'm also not too fond of January Jones' acting - I really didn't like her in season one, but she has come a long way.
She plays a spoiled, snotty bitch to a T. |
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scepticA |
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In the first seasons she was playing more of a semi-shallow ice queen. The fact that she played it very well suggested to some that "this is
January." Because she played Betty as a person of not much emotional depth it came across as shallow acting. I suggest you watch this most recent
episode again and see how Betty is changing.
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chidelta |
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I'd add to the end.....and when she opened that jewelry box at the end and it was a charm instead of a necklace or bracelet,Hello to you, Mrs. Peel. Good point. And what's even worse was that it came from the hotel gift shop. So the message to Betty from Don was that she didn't get to see the real Coliseum, she only gets a miniature version labeled Hilton, and has to wear it on a chain on her wrist as a reminder of how he wants her to be as much of a slave to his work as he is. I also agree with sceptic, this is pre-feminism, and much more about sexuality . . . though still about relative power in the relationship. I don't have a problem with Jones' acting skills like some here, but then again, the young actress playing Sally doesn't bother me either. I'm biased when it comes to her, however, 'cause she went to kindergarten with my son (now in fourth grade). I only started watching in season two, and it took me a while before the light bulb went off. |
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tarzan groupie |
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EmmaPeel wrote:Plus, the symbolism of the charm itself.....the crumbling coliseum......
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Goosehead |
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According to an Askmen.com poll, Don Draper is the most iconic male personality of the year. The author makes a good point: how is this possible considering
only 2 million watch the show each week? His answer: the viral video of the SNL spoof "Don Draper's Guide to Picking Up Women."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/don-draper-really-is-the-man/article1314132/ |
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Goosehead |
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And what of Betty's advice to Sally: "Don't go around kissing boys. Besides, they should kiss you first ..."
A few levels of interpretation: 1. on the surface, simple social custom: refined ladies don't act that way; 2. a lesson in power: defer/withhold your sexuality until men can't resist acting on it themselves; 3. an introspective commentary on her relationship with Don and the political advisor. I'm really interested to know how Betty deals with Sally as she gets older. Does she encourage her to go out and do the things she regrets not doing or having the power to do? Or out of resentment, does she disapprove of Sally's desires to be different than her mom? And good speculation on the part of the poster who suggested Pete and Sally might get together. How insanely delicious would that be if they jump 2 or 3 years in an upcoming season and included a story like this. I know it was discussed a bit earlier in this thread, but how old is Sally at this point? |
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ImCrushingYourHead |
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The advice to Sally was also ironic/touching. Sally may turn into a beauty, but at this point, she is rather homely. Especially next to her beautiful
mother. Not a lot of boys are gonna kiss her first - she's gonna have to grab 'em, pin 'em down, and smooch, just like in the tub! About the Jan. Jones acting debate ... I have to admit, I was in the camp who originally thought she was a terrible actress. I thought the writers were
writing around her & her lack of ability. This season I have done a TOTAL 180, and believe now that she is superb!
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SuitSnob |
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I think January is a terrific actress, and I am not blinded by her beauty.
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PAPAYOKE |
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I might've described her as a tad bit wooden in the very beginning, but I've mostly enjoyed what she's done with the character, even though I
don't care much for Betty.
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ustrasana |
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To me, all was not good in Bettyworld in this ep. I think of the scene where Sally is gazing in the mirror, and Betty comes over, fixes her lipstick, puts it down, and not once looks at her daughter in the mirror. Only when she walks away does she give the girl a pat on the head. Forget the (amazing) updo or the stuff with Governor Aide. That is still a cold, cold person. And Jan plays her very well. I completely agree with this. I thought that little scene was very powerful. She is pretty on the outside, but everything else about her is vile., I hate Betty, the character. She is a spoiled, self absorbed, bitch. And a terrible mother to boot. Also as she ages and men stop looking at her the way they do, she has nothing to fall back on. She will completely implode at that point (hope we get to see it) |
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