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Carboy's pics are totally unconvincing to me. The only nose besides latoya's that may have been surgically tweaked, is hallie berry's, and I would consider that a very minimal refinement at best. The rest, no way.

Number one, these are successful celebrities with professional makeup artists who know all the tricks of the trade. With the use of light and dark shadings, you can create all kind of illusions on any woman of any color, including the narrowing of a nose, making lips seem fuller, the eyes more youthful and even easily creating high cheekbones. Also as a woman grows older, her facial features become sharper and more well defined, it's just a fact. Second, most of the pics used for comparisons, appear to be professional head shots that were more than likely airbrushed, juxtaposed against earlier, poorly lit, amateurish looking photos.

Bottom line, most of the aa women I know love their bodies and embrace their ethnic beauty, to say otherwise is just ignorant and insulting.

wandering jew wrote:

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forgive me, because i rarely post. in barbara's defense, i really think that she was speaking in the sociological sense that there is a very narrow definition of beauty in our society. and i think that carboy kind of hit on it too. i grew up with a very ethnic big nose and curly, unmanageable hair which was clearly different than anything ever being portrayed on television or in magazines and i was ashamed by both for a very long time. i was always called "exotic" because i was not the perfect portrait of aryan americana. i truly think that the reason that barbara focused so much on it was because she simply wasn't explaining it properly. i don't think she meant so much that people are trying to look "white," but that people are stuck in a place with a very narrow definition of beauty and try to emulate it. the crazy part is that joy majored in sociology and she could have helped in explaining it.