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Brazil Luvs Ami		#1321	[-]
Posts: 343 (10/08/09 7:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OMG!!! What a horrible episode for a lot of the top contenders!!! fisrt impressions: Ashley - INV Jaison - UTRN Liz - INV Mick - MOR Natalie - CP Russell - CPN Brett - UTR (he had a TCQ) Dave - MORN Erik - CP John - UTR Kelly - UTR Laura- UTR Monica - MORN Russell S - CP/OTT Shambo - MORN Yasmin - OTTN Contenders: 1. Mick 2. Russell H (HUGE GAP) 3. Jaison 4. Shambo (??????) Eliminated: everyone else??? I don't feel safe eliminating everyone, but, i don't see another option, even Jaison and Shambo could be eliminated imo
Oowatanite		#1322	[-]
Posts: 8887 (10/08/09 8:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Initial ratings Foa Foa Ashley INV Liz INV Jaison UTRN2 RussHole MORN3 Mick CP3 Natalie CP3 Galu Brett UTR1 Monica MORN2 Yasmin OTTN3 Dave MOR4 BullyRussell CPN5 Shambo MORN4 Laura UTR1 Erik CP5 John UTR1 Kelly MOR2
troynuncdicit		#1323	[-]
Posts: 462 (10/08/09 8:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Rough guesses: Ashley-INV1 Elizabeth-INV1 Jaison-UTR2 Mick-CP3 Natalie-CP3 Russell-CPN4 Brett-INV1 Dave-MOR[P]4 Erik-CPP5 John-UTR1 Kelly-UTR2 Laura-INV1 [possibly UTR] Monica-MORN2 Russell S-CPN5 Shambo-CPN4 Yasmin-MORN3
BlakeB717		#1324	[-]
Posts: 1848 (10/08/09 8:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	10 of the 15 remaining players have received an INV. Man that's SAD!
menelaus		#1325	[-]
Posts: 450 (10/08/09 8:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: 10 of the 15 remaining players have received an INV. Man that's SAD! Epic editing fail is epic.
guatemala fanfic	Leadership Theme	#1326	[-]
Posts: 5297 (10/08/09 8:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think we do have to keep in mind the Leadership theme too. In China, Art of War basically had no impact, yet it fit with Todd winning and was referenced in the finale. In Tocantins, first impressions was the big theme and resurfaced in the Final Two with Stephen and J.T. So how would Leadership play into this season? If Mick is in the Final Three, either Mick overcomes the "death nail" of being a leader, thus making his win seem like more of a surprise, or Monica's confessional comes true and the leader doesn't win. The fact that Mick was never blamed for Foa Foa's failure is a possible indicator of the first. How else could "leadership" have an impact?
astroline		#1327	[-]
Posts: 2664 (10/08/09 8:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: 10 of the 15 remaining players have received an INV. Man that's SAD! I think it's actually 11 out of 15 -- the other 4 are Mick, Monica, Russell H. and Shambo. Who's your 5th? ETA: Nevermind. Jaison. Figured it out.
Oowatanite		#1328	[-]
Posts: 8888 (10/08/09 8:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Exactly how was RussHole CP this episode ? Was it his confessional telling the viewer (for the 150th time) that he was awesome and everyone else was stupid ? Or is giving RussHole a CP just a reflex action now ?
BlakeB717		#1329	[-]
Posts: 1849 (10/08/09 8:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A special congratulations to Natalie, Dave, Erik, and Monica for getting their first non-INV/UTR rating! It only took 4 episodes. Liz would fall under this category too, except she got hers in Episode 2. John too, but his non-INV/UTR was Episode 1. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Laura, Kelly, and Brett who have yet to escape the INV/UTRness. An extra-special congratulations to Russell H, Mick, Jaison, Shambo, and Monica for avoiding the INV rating! An extra extra special congratulations to Mick and Russell H for avoiding even a UTR rating for any episode thus far!!
Oowatanite		#1330	[-]
Posts: 8890 (10/08/09 8:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: 10 of the 15 remaining players have received an INV. Man that's SAD! Yup. This season SUCKS. BADLY. And we're talkin' Fiji levels of suckdom.
BlakeB717		#1331	[-]
Posts: 1850 (10/08/09 8:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Anyone remember Mick getting the "McDreamy!" from Shambo in the recap. Interesting that this was placed. Normally I wouldn't look into that, but didn't Parvati get a little soundbite in the recap and her saying to James "don't look so angry" (and maybe Jason calling her Poverty?)
cookie		#1332	[-]
Posts: 299 (10/08/09 8:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	not a lot of time. keep looking at the end game and work backwards, especially with themes. Russell and the dumb girls will rebound with Betsy's "women's intuition." There should be an endgame payoff either way, and should put Russell in the last episode. Natalie and Ashley could put their heads together down the line for some narrative payoff, or perhaps it's carried out in an extension by way of Shambo. Take note of the manipulated Russell observation shot when Shambo came to camp. And also note the Jaison/Russell idol scene, as well as the Mick being shown the idol scene. These are down the line storyline, not immediate. Endgame/story should revolve around some combo of Shambo/Russell/Ashley/Natalie/Jaison/Mick.
Jedijake		#1333	[-]
Posts: 5897 (10/08/09 8:28 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How awesome would it be if they did what they did in PM and had the jury vote out its last member and it was Russell LOLOL. That would be friggin' awesome! Because right now RussellH is Jay, I guess Mick is Ben, and any female except for Shambo is Christa. How I remember those names is BEYOND me!!!!!!!!!
guatemala fanfic		#1334	[-]
Posts: 5298 (10/08/09 8:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jedijake wrote: How awesome would it be if they did what they did in PM and had the jury vote out its last member and it was Russell LOLOL. That would be friggin' awesome! Because right now RussellH is Jay, I guess Mick is Ben, and any female except for Shambo is Christa. How I remember those names is BEYOND me!!!!!!!!! Natalie would definitely be Christa. She fits the same role that Christa did to Jay (if I recall the season). We just haven't seen how Natalie fits in with Mick, but we've seen a Russell/Mick alliance like Jay/Ben. That's an interesting comparison actually, even in terms of their edits.
guatemala fanfic	EPISODE 4 PRELIMINARY RATINGS	#1335	[-]
Posts: 5299 (10/08/09 8:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Survivor: Samoa - Episode 4 (Ratings Watchdog) Here are my preliminary ratings for the episode: Foa Foa Tribe Ashley - INV1 Jaison - UTRN2 - [1] Trying to let Ben know how I felt, can't handle people who use terms & phrases to hurt others, hungry, tired, came here to have an adventure but worst decision - [2] Tired, hungry, just want to survive another day, don't really care about losing challenge Liz - INV1 Mick - MOR3 - [1] Choose two people to go on a mission which may lead to us getting food - [2] Russell's ball knocked closest, could almost taste the chicken - [3] Looking like we're finally going to win, bring back some chickens - [4] So demoralizing, so tired of losing to these guys, so ludicrous that we can't even win baachi ball Natalie - CP3 - [1] Mick had thrown the first two balls so close to the stick, didn't want to mess anybody's balls up - [2] Talked about going to the end with Russell since the first day, want people to think they can beat me, but I think I can beat him in the end, trying to build relationships Russell H. - MORN3 - [1] Jaison was really upset with Ben, took things very personal, Jaison would have quit if Ben would have stayed; willing to get rid of Jaison & whoever I want gone will be gone - [2] True alliance changes, told Jaison I'd go with him to F2, need someone like Natalie because she's stupid to do it on her own * Bordering on CP again for his second confessional, where he explained the rationale pretty clearly for why he needed to make a new alliance with Natalie Galu Tribe Brett - UTR1 - [A] Definitely people pulling more weight, and people doing less like Yasmin Dave - MOR4 - [1] The frenzy was on, opened the box up - [2] Reward Challenge was basically like a game of baachi ball - [3] Last ball is on me because at this point, we are not going home with the chickens - [4] I won chickens, trying to stay emotionally centered and humble within the tribe - [5] Escaped chicken, emergency, Erik hits the clothesline - Minor involvement in strategizing before Tribal Council (he brings up both Shambo and Yasmin) - [A] What's good for the tribe is good for me * Just a lot of narration. Nothing too significant. Erik - CP5 - [1] Second clue to the hidden Immunity Idol, if I can find the idol, I can give it to you, then John comes - [2] With Russell gone, can get people to do things to find the idol, got 10 minutes - Finds the hidden Immunity Idol - Says he's not going to tell anybody, may use it down the road, Day 36ish, plan on being here - [3] Thinks the chicken is going to come out of the tree by clucking, she got an egg but Shambo didn't do anything to lay the egg, the chicken did - [4] A ton of crazy talk about voting out Yasmin, she's stronger in challenges than - Very involved in the strategy discussion, especially with Russell and John John - UTR2 - Involved with the hidden Immunity Idol scene with Erik and Shambo - Some SPV, particularly from Erik - Minor involvement in strategizing before Tribal Council Kelly - MOR2 - [1] So sick of Yasmin doing absolutely nothing around camp, acting like a little princess - [2] Think the reason our tribe is doing so well, trying to bring our tribe to the merge as strong as possible, Yasmin only worrying about herself - Minor involvement in strategizing before Tribal Council Laura - UTR1 - Minor involvement in strategizing before Tribal Council - [A] #1 for me is who's really helping around the camp the most Monica - MORN3 - Lots of negative SPV for her performance at the Immunity Challenge - [1] We're going to our first TC tonight, names are going around, Yasmin might be going home tonight, doesn't do anything, just sits by the fire but it is Survivor, crazier things have happened - [A] Had trouble getting settled at the beginning of the rope, came back in the challenge Russell S. - CPN5 - [1] Took Shambo and Dave on the quest with me, sitting there looking at each other and Jeff has always been there - [2] Panicking all over the place, between Russell and Dave - [3] Bringing home the chicken coop - [4] It's a bird, would think you'd assume that something with wings can fly - [5] Monica basically disappeared at the challenge, Survivor is about physical & mental toughness and she didn't have it - [6] Lost first Immunity Challenge, got pissed off, no reason why we should have lost, one person fell apart & that was Monica - Targets Monica with Erik - [7] Yasmin is a vote that I absolutely disagree with; these people gotta listen to me or there's gonna be some serious ass kicking - [A] Challenges are your base, get the challenges done and the rest falls into place Shannon - MORN4 - [1] Got back at Galu last night but I'm not happy because there was a huge appreciation for Shambo at Foa Foa; everybody over there loved me; have no problem going to Foa Foa - [2] Don't feel like I hurt myself in the game by sharing information with them - [3] Not a chicken farmer but I will take care of them, have to have a good relationship - [A] Uneasy, walks on the beach, whispering, bummed to be here * I think she might actually be borderline OTTN, she seemed very one-sided Yasmin - OTTN3 - Gets lots of negative SPV from the tribe - Minor involvement in strategizing before Tribal Council (talks with Shambo about voting out Monica) - [1] I've had my game face on since Day One, I'm here to play with the fellas, Monica didn't help us win today, if you wanna penalize me for stepping up then by all means vote me out - [A] Should have had a conversation with Brett if he thought I wasn't pulling my weight and I would have stepped it up - [B] I like to compete, like to step up, totally agree with Russell - [C] Monica could have given more at the challenge Potential Winners** Once again, will be posted later this weekend with my final ratings.
scepticA		#1336	[-]
Posts: 1708 (10/08/09 9:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hey - did you know there is a tribe called Galu? And there are a few people on it who are smart, and a lot who are dumb? Oo, you said this sucks at Fiji levels. You're insulting Fiji. If it isn't one of the NIF (non-invisible five) then edgic fails. Hey, SEG - even for non-edgic'rs, let me explain why the pacing of this season is so off. You have reasonably interesting dynamics going on in Galu, things that have been simmering for a while... and the viewer has NO frigging idea of them. Look at this ep again, and see how there is underlying tension over there about leadership, hidden alliances, and ideas about value to the tribe. By the fourth ep we should have an inkling of them, and see how they're being played out. The problem is that a viewer who missed the first three eps basically knows the same about Galu as we do... "Who's that one... Who's he talking to.. why are those two always talking... why is Russell so worried about his leadership..." etc. ad nauseum. Well, thanks to the edit none of us really know. This, as Oo noted, sucks. Mick, Jaison, ..... huge gap.....Shambo (who will be saved by a switch or merge), Russell H. at this point, I hope and pray that edgic is wrong, that Mick and Jaison are booted quickly just so we will all have to reset and watch this without our guidelines. Cuz if Mick wins... well, jolly good for him and all that. But damn....
Oowatanite		#1337	[-]
Posts: 8897 (10/08/09 9:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	scepticA wrote: Oo, you said this sucks at Fiji levels. You're insulting Fiji. *Fiji was the worst season EVER. No question. Samoa is rapidly approaching a spot in the bottom three with Fiji and Gabon.* Hey, SEG - even for non-edgicers, let me explain why the pacing of this season is so off. You have reasonably interesting dynamics going on in Galu, things that have been simmering for a while... and the viewer has NO frigging idea of them. Look at this ep again, and see how there is underlying tension over there about leadership, hidden alliances, and ideas about value to the tribe. By the fourth ep we should have an inkling of them, and see how they're being played out. The problem is that a viewer who missed the first three eps basically knows the same about Galu as we do... "Who's that one... Who's he talking to.. why are those two always talking... why is Russell so worried about his leadership..." etc. ad nauseum. Well, thanks to the edit none of us really know. This, as Oo noted, sucks. *Agreed.*
9RedWing19		#1338	[-]
Posts: 2650 (10/08/09 9:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Lots of negativity at Galu. Ashley: INV0 To quote Neil Young "Feel like I'm falling, falling off the face of the earth". Elizabeth: INV0 Shouldn't be much debate about this one. Jaison: OTTN3 "Show me the way to go home, I' tired and I want to go to bed." His post-TC confessional was not a classic winner's quote. Mick: MOR3 Mostly narration this episode, but his attitude towards winning stood out in stark contrast to that of Jaison. Natalie: MORP3 Funny that she gets a big episode when F-F doesn't go to TC. The beach scene with RussellH smells of long-term payoff. It was particularly interesting that Russell expressed his thoughts in terms of clichés, while Natalie understood the relationship and has some (yet to be seen) strategy for dealing with Russell's argument. In a perfect world, Natalie would be responsible for Russell's demise. Russell H: OTTN4 Well at least it wasn't totally about him this episode. While I can see an argument for a CP, I can't get by the constant stream of "I've got this tribe under my thumb; who I want gone is gone" confessionals. That is the image that sticks in my mind, which is what makes him OTT in my opinion. Brett: INV0 I can now tell him, Erik, and John apart (Brett is the mime). Dave: MOR4 Lots of great lines from Dave tonight - makes you wonder what got left on the cutting room floor. Had one confessional that gave some insight into his thoughts, but the bulk of his edit was narration. Erik: CP5 The guy is a schemer and did a great job finding the idol. Interesting that he does not plan to share with anyone that he has the idol, unlike RussellH. Looks like he is tight with Russell S, not so much with the ladies (and it looks like he has a temper also). We learned a lot about him in this episode. John: UTR1 Just enough to avoid an INV. Kelly: UTRN2 Congratulations on the confessional - too bad it (and you) came across as slightly bitchy. Laura: INV0 Sorry, a one line response at TC is not sufficient to avoid the dreaded INV. Monica: UTRN2 The editing intent was that she did mess up the IC (complete with facial reactions at TC when she denied it). Russell S: MOR5 Starting to come across as a leader in name only (since he could not swing the target to Monica). At TC he commented on the importance of challenges, but the tribe voted out the stronger challenge performer. He did a lot of narration this episode, including negative comments on Shambo and Monica, but neither of them went. Shambo: MORN4 A weak N, but got negative SPV from Russell and Erik about the challenge and the chickens. Her words do not match her deeds. Yasmin: MORN3 Not a great boot episode. We understand the choice the tribe had, and we think they probably made the wrong one, but we're still not very sorry to see Yasmin go. She was shown as too much of a princess to offset being a stronger challenge performer than Monica.
Oowatanite		#1339	[-]
Posts: 8898 (10/08/09 9:39 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	9RedWing19 wrote: Elizabeth: INV0 Shouldn't be much debate about this one. But are you looking forward to the upcoming debate on whether or not she was P ? Brett: INV0 I can now tell him, Erik, and John apart (Brett is the mime). What about Brett's TC question ? Kelly: UTRN2 Congratulations on the confessional - too bad it (and you) came across as slightly bitchy. Bitchy ? She was exactly right about YasDiva. Russell S: MOR5 Starting to come across as a leader in name only (since he could not swing the target to Monica). At TC he commented on the importance of challenges, but the tribe voted out the stronger challenge performer. He did a lot of narration this episode, including negative comments on Shambo and Monica, but neither of them went. No N for his temper tantrum about "I'm the leader, you must do what I say or else" ? And he was A LOT more bitchy than Kelly. Shambo: MORN4 A weak N, but got negative SPV from Russell and Erik about the challenge and the chickens. Her words do not match her deeds. This N was NOT weak. Yasmin: MORN3 Not a great boot episode. We understand the choice the tribe had, and we think they probably made the wrong one, but we're still not very sorry to see Yasmin go. She was shown as too much of a princess to offset being a stronger challenge performer than Monica. No, WE don't think they made the wrong boot choice. The OTTN Princess Diva and her ridiculous OTTN shoes deservedly got the boot. Even her boot confessional was OTTN. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
9RedWing19		#1340	[-]
Posts: 2651 (10/08/09 9:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: 9RedWing19 wrote: Brett: INV0 I can now tell him, Erik, and John apart (Brett is the mime). What about Brett's TC question ? Oow, you think that 2 lines at TC in Ep 4 lifts you out of the INV category - that's a reasonable position, but one that can be debated. Maybe Brett's rating will be the main topic of debate this week (which would show how desparate things are). Now excuse me while I go jump on the Natalie bandwagon (I want to get a spot ahead of all the Ashley and Monica fans).

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