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SwineForkbeard

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(10/09/09 9:26 PM)

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The reductio ad payrollum! That train is never late.

Doobie Screw

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(10/09/09 9:30 PM)

Antithesys wrote:
See it should be tied right now because of that horrible call, but I imagine A-Rod would have found a way to hit another homer anyway. This one just wasn't meant to be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the blown double call in the 11th ended up changing much (assuming that's the call you are talking about). Mauer still got a single, and the next batter walked. Would have been 1st and 2nd either way, though I wasn't paying that much attention and could be confused about the sequence of events.

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memyselfandi wrote:
LOL at more fodder for the Nick Punto debate.

Are you fuckin stupid? There is no debate. Bilkis ended it. Punto sucks.

Willydarko just defends him because he's his cousin or some shit, which is great for him, but that doesn't change the fact that Punto is worse than like 90% of his peers.

SwineForkbeard

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The Angels have us out-milligrammed for sure, but the Red Sox will still win this series. They have the best home record in baseball, and are at their most dangerous when facing elimination. The mighty Angels' illusion of invincibility was shattered tonight when the Red Sox proved they can score against them.

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(10/09/09 11:23 PM)

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um nick punto is pretty incredible sorry he doesnt hit 50 hr an bat in 100 rbi's but their are multiple ways to be a great baseball player, great speed, eye an defense is one of them also being A CLUTCH PLAYER is pretty important

fuck you joe nathan you goddamn choke artist PIECE OF SHIT HIGHEST PAYROLL ON THE TEAM AN YOU CAN'T GET THREE OUTS MAYBE THIS IS KARMA FOR YOU BAD MOUTHING THE TEAM EARLIER THIS YEAR SAYING YOU NEEDED BETTER PLAYERS OH AN I THINK JUSTIN JOINED IN ON THAT HOW ARE YOU TWO DOING FUCK YOU JOE

Antithesys

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(10/09/09 11:51 PM)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the blown double call in the 11th ended up changing much (assuming that's the call you are talking about). Mauer still got a single, and the next batter walked. Would have been 1st and 2nd either way, though I wasn't paying that much attention and could be confused about the sequence of events.

Mauer singled, then Kubel singled, then Cuddyer singled. At the end of this sequence, Mauer was at third. Had his double counted, he would have scored on either of the subsequent singles.

WillyDarko

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Well I got back from the game like an hour ago Blackburn did amazingly well very proud of the way he pitched HE IS A CLUTCH BIG GAME PITCHER (TAKE NOTE JOE NATHAN)...Scott Ulger the third base coach needs to be tar an feathered he is horrible an does not know what the fuck he is doing except give handjobs to gardy since they are buds. An for a team that is built around small ball sure was not a lot of that tonight GARDENFUCKER....I think the Twins win IN-SPITE OF Gardenhoser.....Matt Guerrier was pitching beautifully had a great inning I did not even need to see the TV to know that Joe Nathan probably looked like a wreck warming up..which he was...WHY DO YOU SEND HIM OUT THERE AGAINST A TEAM HES STRUGGLED AGAINST WHEN Matt was doing great if he gets in trouble than you can put him in....The Twins lost this game due to bad base running, coaching an Joe Nathan FUCK YOU JOE EARN YOUR GODDAMN PAYCHECK YOU S U C K

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OK I don't get that. You claim he would have scored on either of the subsequent singles, but he was on second base when the second single happened and he wasn't able to score. So I don't think he would have been able to score from second on the first single either.

Also, there's no guarantee that had Mauer led off with a double instead of a single that the subsequent batters would have gotten singles since the batters would have approached their at-bats differently (like for instance Kubel could have bunted Mauer over to third instead of swinging away and getting that hit) and the pitcher probably would have pitched the at-bats differently too.

I mean don't get me wrong... it's bullshit that Mauer got that double taken away but I don't think it was guaranteed the Twins would have scored and won the game had the double counted.

sadllama

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(10/10/09 12:06 AM)

SwineForkbeard wrote:

The Angels have us out-milligrammed for sure, but the Red Sox will still win this series.

Uh, yeah, probably not.

WillyDarko

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(10/10/09 12:12 AM)

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I tell people you can't do the well if THIS happened they would have scored etc... every play, every pitch changes the sequence of events afterward no matter what. So if Joe got a double instead of the single my thoughts are Gardyfucker does'nt bunt Joe over would they score I could not tell you but they had the bases loaded with a part of the lineup batting that really has struggled for the last two games. Delmon had a nice hard hit right at Tex good try..Gomez on the other hand was a waste of at bat an Harris just got beat. If I was gardy I would have called for a bunt when Gomez was up at bat Tex an Arod were both playing back an who knows what would have happened!

Antithesys

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(10/10/09 12:33 AM)

Gadabout

Uh, Kubel doesn't bunt. I realize that on a quantum level the rest of the game wouldn't have proceeded identically, but if you double, and the next two batters hit singles to the outfield, you score. The first single either scores you or moves you to third, and the second single scores you no matter what.

Willy, I'm not sure what planet you live on, but Gardy is a front-runner for MotY.

They have the best home record in baseball, and are at their most dangerous when facing elimination.

Not to take Forkie's side, but this is true.

All-time Red Sox record in games facing elimination (postseason only, not including Bucky Dent one-game playoffs):
Total 23-12 (.657)
Home 14-6 (.700)
Away 9-6 (.600)

Since 1995
Total 16-6 (.727)
Home 9-4 (.692)
Away 7-2 (.778)

Since 2003
Total 13-3 (.813)
Home 7-1 (.875)
Away 6-2 (.750)

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Year	Series	Gm	Loc	Result
1912	WS	8	Home	Win
1946	WS	7	Away	Loss
1967	WS	5	Away	Win
1967	WS	6	Home	Win
1967	WS	7	Home	Loss
1975	WS	6	Home	Win
1975	WS	7	Home	Loss
1986	ALCS	5	Away	Win
1986	ALCS	6	Home	Win
1986	ALCS	7	Home	Win
1986	WS	7	Away	Loss
1988	ALCS	4	Away	Loss
1990	ALCS	4	Away	Loss
1995	ALDS	3	Home	Loss
1998	ALDS	4	Home	Loss
1999	ALDS	3	Home	Win
1999	ALDS	4	Home	Win
1999	ALDS	5	Away	Win
1999	ALCS	5	Home	Loss
2003	ALDS	3	Home	Win
2003	ALDS	4	Home	Win
2003	ALDS	5	Away	Win
2003	ALCS	6	Away	Win
2003	ALCS	7	Away	Loss
2004	ALCS	4	Home	Win
2004	ALCS	5	Home	Win
2004	ALCS	6	Away	Win
2004	ALCS	7	Away	Win
2005	ALDS	3	Home	Loss
2007	ALCS	5	Away	Win
2007	ALCS	6	Home	Win
2007	ALCS	7	Home	Win
2008	ALCS	5	Home	Win
2008	ALCS	6	Away	Win
2008	ALCS	7	Away	Loss

By comparison, the Yankees are 23-21 all-time.

Last Edited By: Antithesys 10/10/09 12:46 AM. Edited 1 times.

WillyDarko

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The Twins have a lot of success in their division but when you consistently make the post season like the Twins do an make a lot of questionable calls or non calls like Gardy does it begins to wear thin...How many post season games have the Twins won within the last couple of years against the Yankees the only one I could think of was Johan basically carrying the team on his back to win. The series in Oakland one year they also got swept. Its awesome that you can consistently lead your team to a playoff berth especially considering how much they spend but I just think Gardy is inconsistent with his play style you should have been playing small ball against the Yankees since game 1. You go toe to toe in a power grudge match you will lose, scratch an claw any run that you possibly can be more aggressive on the bases, the Yankee outfielders do not have arms ESPECIALLY Gardner... Mauer should have been sent home after the Cuddyer hit ugh this loss was a tragedy! The biggest mistake imo was bring Nathan in straight away in the ninth hindsight is 20/20 but Nathan has not been lights out an he most certainly is not comfortable with the Yankees bad move an it cost them the game! By the way I know Kubel doesn't bunt normally but really everyone on the team should know how to square away to lay one down an with the way hes been batting the last two games it would have been a more productive out if he could just get it down.

BobbyBrown06

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(10/10/09 12:52 AM)

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Did the Yankees just take a 2-0 Series lead in some dramatic fashion?

WillyDarko

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Yeah A-rod dropped trou between the 10th an 11th an gave the left field umpire a ride to remember so good that he completey missed a very fair double by Joe Mauer. However shouldn't have come to that if Joe Nathan did his fucking job yay ok im done

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Doobie Screw wrote:

Antithesys wrote:
See it should be tied right now because of that horrible call, but I imagine A-Rod would have found a way to hit another homer anyway. This one just wasn't meant to be.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the blown double call in the 11th ended up changing much (assuming that's the call you are talking about). Mauer still got a single, and the next batter walked. Would have been 1st and 2nd either way, though I wasn't paying that much attention and could be confused about the sequence of events.

No, I think Mauer would have scored with the first hit, but I think the 2nd hit would have been an out. So the Twins didn't lose the game because of it, or the Yankee's wouldn't have won the game it would have been a tie and I do think the Yankee's would have pulled out a win. And you know the Yankee's were screwed with some really bad calls early on I think it was Cano who had back to back balls called strikes.

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ALDS "A", Game 2

Minnesota

NY Yankees 4, Minnesota 3

Yankees lead series, 2-0

NY Yankees

October 9, 2009

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	R	H	E
Minnesota	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	2	0	0	0	3	12	1
NY Yankees	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	2	0	1	4	7	0

Minnesota	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	SO	LOB	AVG
Span, RF	6	0	2	1	0	0	1	.364
Cabrera, O, SS	5	0	0	0	1	1	5	.200
Mauer, C	4	0	2	0	2	2	1	.500
Kubel, DH	6	0	1	0	0	4	4	.100
Cuddyer, 1B	6	0	3	0	0	0	0	.400
Young, D, LF	4	1	0	0	1	2	5	.000
Gomez, C, CF	4	1	0	0	1	2	5	.000
Tolbert, 3B	2	0	1	0	0	0	1	.200
a-Harris, B, PH-3B	4	1	2	1	0	0	3	.375
Punto, 2B	3	0	1	1	2	1	1	.500
Totals	44	3	12	3	7	12	26
a-Tripled for Tolbert in the 6th.
BATTING 3B: Harris, B (1, Burnett, A). TB: Span 2; Mauer 2; Kubel; Cuddyer 3; Tolbert; Harris, B 4; Punto. RBI: Harris, B (1), Punto (1), Span (1). 2-out RBI: Harris, B; Punto; Span. Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Tolbert; Kubel; Punto; Cabrera, O 2; Harris, B 2. Team RISP: 5-for-13. Team LOB: 17. BASERUNNING SB: Young, D (1, 2nd base off Burnett, A/Molina, J). FIELDING E: Nathan (1, pickoff). DP: (Cabrera, O-Harris, B).

NY Yankees	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	SO	LOB	AVG
Jeter, SS	4	1	1	0	1	0	0	.500
Damon, LF	4	0	0	0	1	0	2	.125
Cervelli, C	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
Teixeira, 1B	5	2	2	1	0	0	2	.222
Rodriguez, A, 3B	4	1	2	3	0	0	0	.500
Matsui, H, DH	3	0	0	0	1	1	2	.167
Swisher, RF	4	0	0	0	0	1	1	.125
Cano, 2B	4	0	1	0	0	0	1	.125
Cabrera, Me, CF-LF	4	0	0	0	0	1	1	.125
Molina, J, C	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
a-Posada, PH-C	3	0	1	0	0	1	0	.286
1-Gardner, PR-CF	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
Totals	36	4	7	4	3	4	9
a-Flied out for Molina, J in the 6th. 1-Ran for Posada in the 10th.
BATTING 2B: Jeter (1, Blackburn). HR: Rodriguez, A (1, 9th inning off Nathan, 1 on, 0 out), Teixeira (1, 11th inning off Mijares, Jo, 0 on, 0 out). TB: Jeter 2; Teixeira 5; Rodriguez, A 5; Cano; Posada. RBI: Rodriguez, A 3 (5), Teixeira (1). 2-out RBI: Rodriguez, A. Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Matsui, H. Team RISP: 1-for-4. Team LOB: 5. BASERUNNING SB: Gardner (1, 2nd base off Nathan/Mauer). FIELDING Outfield assists: Swisher (Gomez, C at 3rd base).

Minnesota	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
Blackburn	5.2	3	1	1	2	3	0	1.59
Mahay	0.1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.00
Rauch	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.00
Guerrier (H, 1)	1.0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0.00
Nathan (BS, 1)	1.1	3	2	2	1	0	1	13.50
Mijares, Jo (L, 0-1)	0.2	1	1	1	0	0	1	13.50

NY Yankees	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
Burnett, A	6.0	3	1	1	5	6	0	1.50
Chamberlain	0.2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0.00
Coke	0.1	0	0	0	0	1	0	0.00
Hughes, P	0.2	2	2	2	1	1	0	13.50
Rivera, Ma	1.1	2	0	0	0	3	0	0.00
Aceves, A	1.0	1	0	0	1	1	0	0.00
Marte, D	0.0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0.00
Robertson, D (W, 1-0)	1.0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0.00

Mijares, Jo pitched to 1 batter in the 11th.
Marte, D pitched to 2 batters in the 11th.

IBB: Jeter (by Nathan).
HBP: Young, D (by Burnett, A), Gomez, C (by Burnett, A).
Pitches-strikes: Blackburn 92-56, Mahay 2-2, Rauch 14-8, Guerrier 12-8, Nathan 27-14, Mijares, Jo 10-5, Burnett, A 95-57, Chamberlain 11-6, Coke 5-3, Hughes, P 22-15, Rivera, Ma 27-19, Aceves, A 19-13, Marte, D 10-6, Robertson, D 9-7.
Groundouts-flyouts: Blackburn 7-7, Mahay 1-0, Rauch 1-2, Guerrier 2-0, Nathan 2-2, Mijares, Jo 0-1, Burnett, A 8-3, Chamberlain 2-0, Coke 0-0, Hughes, P 0-1, Rivera, Ma 0-1, Aceves, A 0-2, Marte, D 0-0, Robertson, D 1-2.
Batters faced: Blackburn 22, Mahay 1, Rauch 3, Guerrier 3, Nathan 8, Mijares, Jo 2, Burnett, A 27, Chamberlain 3, Coke 1, Hughes, P 5, Rivera, Ma 6, Aceves, A 5, Marte, D 2, Robertson, D 4.
Inherited runners-scored: Mahay 2-0, Mijares, Jo 2-0, Coke 1-0, Rivera, Ma 2-1, Robertson, D 2-0.
Umpires: HP: Chuck Meriwether. 1B: Mark Wegner. 2B: Paul Emmel. 3B: Jim Joyce. LF: Phil Cuzzi. RF: Tim Tschida.
Weather: 68 degrees, cloudy.
Wind: 3 mph, Out to RF.
T: 4:22.
Att: 50,006.
October 9, 2009

ALDS "B", Game 2

Boston

LA Angels 4, Boston 1

Angels lead series, 2-0

LA Angels

October 9, 2009

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
Boston	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	4	0
LA Angels	0	0	0	1	0	0	3	0	X	4	6	0

Boston	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	SO	LOB	AVG
Ellsbury, CF	4	1	2	0	0	2	0	.286
Pedroia, 2B	4	0	0	0	0	0	2	.125
Martinez, V, C	4	0	1	1	0	1	0	.143
Youkilis, 1B	4	0	1	0	0	0	1	.125
Ortiz, D, DH	4	0	0	0	0	1	2	.000
Bay, LF	2	0	0	0	2	1	0	.200
Lowell, 3B	4	0	0	0	0	0	3	.000
Drew, J, RF	2	0	0	0	1	1	0	.200
Gonzalez, A, SS	2	0	0	0	0	1	1	.250
a-Kotchman, PH	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
b-Lowrie, PH-SS	1	0	0	0	0	1	0	.000
Totals	31	1	4	1	3	8	9
a-Batted for Gonzalez, A in the 8th. b-Struck out for Kotchman in the 8th.
BATTING 2B: Youkilis (1, Jepsen). 3B: Ellsbury (1, Weaver, Jr). TB: Ellsbury 4; Martinez, V; Youkilis 2. RBI: Martinez, V (1). Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Lowell. Team RISP: 1-for-4. Team LOB: 6.

LA Angels	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	SO	LOB	AVG
Figgins, 3B	4	0	0	0	0	2	2	.000
Abreu, B, RF	4	1	2	0	0	0	0	.500
Hunter, CF	4	0	0	0	0	0	2	.167
Guerrero, DH	2	0	1	0	1	0	0	.333
1-Kendrick, H, PR-DH	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	.200
Morales, K, 1B	2	0	0	1	0	0	1	.167
Rivera, J, LF	3	0	0	0	0	1	2	.143
Izturis, M, 2B	3	1	1	1	0	1	0	.333
Napoli, C	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	.000
Aybar, E, SS	3	0	2	2	0	0	0	.429
Totals	28	4	6	4	1	5	7
1-Ran for Guerrero in the 7th.
BATTING 3B: Aybar, E (1, Beckett). TB: Abreu, B 2; Guerrero; Izturis, M; Aybar, E 4. RBI: Morales, K (2), Izturis, M (1), Aybar, E 2 (2). 2-out RBI: Izturis, M; Aybar, E 2. Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Figgins. SF: Morales, K. Team RISP: 2-for-4. Team LOB: 3. BASERUNNING SB: Izturis, M (1, 2nd base off Beckett/Martinez, V), Kendrick, H (1, 2nd base off Beckett/Martinez, V). CS: Abreu, B (1, 2nd base by Papelbon/Martinez, V).

Boston	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
Beckett (L, 0-1)	6.2	5	4	4	1	3	0	5.40
Wagner, B	0.1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0.00
Papelbon	1.0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0.00

LA Angels	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
Weaver, Jr (W, 1-0)	7.1	2	1	1	2	7	0	1.23
Oliver (H, 1)	0.1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0.00
Jepsen (H, 1)	0.2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0.00
Fuentes (S, 1)	0.2	0	0	0	1	0	0	0.00

Wagner, B pitched to 1 batter in the 8th.

HBP: Napoli (by Beckett).
Pitches-strikes: Beckett 103-64, Wagner, B 8-6, Papelbon 7-5, Weaver, Jr 111-68, Oliver 8-5, Jepsen 11-7, Fuentes 12-6.
Groundouts-flyouts: Beckett 8-9, Wagner, B 0-0, Papelbon 0-1, Weaver, Jr 6-9, Oliver 0-0, Jepsen 1-1, Fuentes 0-2.
Batters faced: Beckett 27, Wagner, B 2, Papelbon 2, Weaver, Jr 26, Oliver 2, Jepsen 3, Fuentes 3.
Inherited runners-scored: Wagner, B 1-0, Papelbon 1-0, Jepsen 1-0, Fuentes 1-0.
Umpires: HP: CB Bucknor. 1B: Eric Cooper. 2B: Greg Gibson. 3B: Brian Gorman. LF: Dan Iassogna. RF: Joe West.
Weather: 67 degrees, partly cloudy.
Wind: 5 mph, Out to CF.
T: 3:11.
Att: 45,223.
October 9, 2009

Today's Matchups

NLDS "B", Game 3

6:07pm ET Los Angeles (V. Padilla) at St Louis (J. Pineiro)

NLDS "A", Game 3

9:37pm ET Philadelphia (P. Martinez) at Colorado (J. Hammel)

Miles Edgeworth

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(10/10/09 7:32 AM)

The bad decision wasnt bringing in nathan it was in not pitching around arod. Hell the bottom of that lineup wasnt hitting shit, make them beat you.

But Im happy about that decision

Miles Edgeworth

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(10/10/09 7:32 AM)

The bad decision wasnt bringing in nathan it was in not pitching around arod. Hell the bottom of that lineup wasnt hitting shit, make them beat you.

But Im happy about that decision

QualityBobby

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(10/10/09 7:42 AM)

O.o

Other than the time Denkinger fucked the Royals in '85, that may be the single worst call in have ever seen in the playoffs. The ball really wasn't even that close to being foul. The fucking guys couldn't have been more than 15 feet from the ball when it hit. i just don't see how you can miss that call.

I'm really not a big subscriber the the whole "it's fixed, MLB just wants the Yankees to make the WS" thing, but horrendous calls like that happen, and you can see why people make those arguments.

Not that the Twins didn't have 134 opportunities to win the game anyhow.

Mrpoopypants

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(10/10/09 8:22 AM)

Lets go Cards ! They gota win three ina row to stay in the playoffs and they can do it ! here is hoping pitchers start pitching to Pujols. over 45 intentional walks? thats not baseball and the fact is ..people take their kids to see Pujols pop dingers , so they can tell their grandchildren 50 years from now " heyy I seen Albert Pujols hit a homer at such and sucha stadium " or in dodger fans case maybe to say they seen their pitcher strike him out ..not throw intentional walks to him.

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